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Originally posted by ExtraB ExtraB wrote:

Perhaps Richmond could have adopted the same approach and utilised loan players which is entirely within the rules. Fabulous to see Scottish find a model that works for them given the uncertainty of the leagues funding. 

Yes Richmond could have done that and filled half their team with loan players each week and shown utter contempt for their own players and the history and tradition of their great club.

I suspect they didn't decide against it but rather didn't even consider it. They were happy to remain a proper rugby club and well done them.
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by ExtraB ExtraB wrote:

Perhaps Richmond could have adopted the same approach and utilised loan players which is entirely within the rules. Fabulous to see Scottish find a model that works for them given the uncertainty of the leagues funding. 

Yes Richmond could have done that and filled half their team with loan players each week and shown utter contempt for their own players and the history and tradition of their great club.

I suspect they didn't decide against it but rather didn't even consider it. They were happy to remain a proper rugby club and well done them.

I think you might find they used the occasional loan player - pretty sure one or 2 against Scottish as they were injury ravaged following the knocks key players took against Cov the week before. But my point remains, it’s within the rules to use loan players - utter contempt aside. 

As for you remark about being a “proper rugby club” what is that definition of proper? Please elaborate… is it a club that uses only home grown talent like Richmond or one that avoids loan players? Very interested in your view.


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In the penultimate Championship game of the season between London Scottish and Richmond, I think you’ll find that each team fielded three loan / DR players. It’s about time some people stopped crying, “foul” and stuck to the facts. For whatever reason, Richmond had a dire performance in the run-in to the end of the season. Blame it on injuries or what you will, but facts and results speak for themselves. 
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Originally posted by High Heidjin High Heidjin wrote:

In the penultimate Championship game of the season between London Scottish and Richmond, I think you’ll find that each team fielded three loan / DR players. It’s about time some people stopped crying, “foul” and stuck to the facts. For whatever reason, Richmond had a dire performance in the run-in to the end of the season. Blame it on injuries or what you will, but facts and results speak for themselves. 

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Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

Originally posted by High Heidjin High Heidjin wrote:

In the penultimate Championship game of the season between London Scottish and Richmond, I think you’ll find that each team fielded three loan / DR players. It’s about time some people stopped crying, “foul” and stuck to the facts. For whatever reason, Richmond had a dire performance in the run-in to the end of the season. Blame it on injuries or what you will, but facts and results speak for themselves. 

Well said HH and well respected connected representatives from
other Championship clubs who should know better, for some strange reasons feel the need to mix up fact with fiction on these message board. 

According to the team published on the club web site pre-game, there appeared to be seven Harlequins players in the squad:
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Originally posted by Tyke Tyke wrote:

Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

Originally posted by High Heidjin High Heidjin wrote:

In the penultimate Championship game of the season between London Scottish and Richmond, I think you’ll find that each team fielded three loan / DR players. It’s about time some people stopped crying, “foul” and stuck to the facts. For whatever reason, Richmond had a dire performance in the run-in to the end of the season. Blame it on injuries or what you will, but facts and results speak for themselves. 

Well said HH and well respected connected representatives from
other Championship clubs who should know better, for some strange reasons feel the need to mix up fact with fiction on these message board. 

According to the team published on the club web site pre-game, there appeared to be seven Harlequins players in the squad:
Trenholm
Cleaves
Jibulu
Litterick
Jurevicius
Taulani
Slevin



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Originally posted by ExtraB ExtraB wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by ExtraB ExtraB wrote:

Perhaps Richmond could have adopted the same approach and utilised loan players which is entirely within the rules. Fabulous to see Scottish find a model that works for them given the uncertainty of the leagues funding. 

Yes Richmond could have done that and filled half their team with loan players each week and shown utter contempt for their own players and the history and tradition of their great club.

I suspect they didn't decide against it but rather didn't even consider it. They were happy to remain a proper rugby club and well done them.

I think you might find they used the occasional loan player - pretty sure one or 2 against Scottish as they were injury ravaged following the knocks key players took against Cov the week before. But my point remains, it’s within the rules to use loan players - utter contempt aside. 

As for you remark about being a “proper rugby club” what is that definition of proper? Please elaborate… is it a club that uses only home grown talent like Richmond or one that avoids loan players? Very interested in your view.

There is a great difference between using an occasional loan player as Richmond and most other clubs did and the way LS operated for the entire season but you know that of course.

A proper rugby club in my opinion is one who has pride in its history and tradition and does not give that up in order to become a vehicle for a other clubs to give their players a run out just to stay in a league in which they are hopelessly ill equipped to exist. A proper rugby club would have remained true to themselves and fielded sides comprised mainly of their own players and kept their own identity not surrendered that to become a Quins junior team. A proper rugby club would accept that they might have to drop a division or two to find a level at which they can compete and would be happy in the knowledge that they were keeping alive everything that those before them had fought to keep. 

That's my definition of a proper rugby club and you and anybody else of course are perfectly happy to disagree. But if you do please don't try to misrepresent what I have said or make up what you would like me to believe.
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Originally posted by Tyke Tyke wrote:

Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

Originally posted by High Heidjin High Heidjin wrote:

In the penultimate Championship game of the season between London Scottish and Richmond, I think you’ll find that each team fielded three loan / DR players. It’s about time some people stopped crying, “foul” and stuck to the facts. For whatever reason, Richmond had a dire performance in the run-in to the end of the season. Blame it on injuries or what you will, but facts and results speak for themselves. 

Well said HH and well respected connected representatives from
other Championship clubs who should know better, for some strange reasons feel the need to mix up fact with fiction on these message board. 

According to the team published on the club web site pre-game, there appeared to be seven Harlequins players in the squad:
Trenholm
Cleaves
Jibulu
Litterick
Jurevicius
Taulani
Slevin



Plus Charalambous from Bath. So much for posters mixing up fact and fiction! 

But that seems to be the way it is now. Ignore the facts, pretend those you disagree with have said things they haven't, pretend they have allegiances they don't and pretend they are talking about one specific incident when they aren't.

The most ridiculous thing is that their nonsense is so blindingly obvious.
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Tyke Tyke wrote:

Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

Originally posted by High Heidjin High Heidjin wrote:

In the penultimate Championship game of the season between London Scottish and Richmond, I think you’ll find that each team fielded three loan / DR players. It’s about time some people stopped crying, “foul” and stuck to the facts. For whatever reason, Richmond had a dire performance in the run-in to the end of the season. Blame it on injuries or what you will, but facts and results speak for themselves. 


Well said HH and well respected connected representatives from
other Championship clubs who should know better, for some strange reasons feel the need to mix up fact with fiction on these message board. 


According to the team published on the club web site pre-game, there appeared to be seven Harlequins players in the squad:
Trenholm
Cleaves
Jibulu
Litterick
Jurevicius
Taulani
Slevin




Plus Charalambous from Bath. So much for posters mixing up fact and fiction! 

But that seems to be the way it is now. Ignore the facts, pretend those you disagree with have said things they haven't, pretend they have allegiances they don't and pretend they are talking about one specific incident when they aren't.

The most ridiculous thing is that their nonsense is so blindingly obvious.


The Championship sides only have themselves to blame. This has been going on at various clubs at level 2 and 3 for some years.

It will only cease to be a bone of contention when there are stricter limits on the number of DR/Loan players in each match day squad (as there is in level 4)
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But with the funding cuts, some clubs have no option other than to bring in DR and loan players. The RFU see this as a win/win.
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Tyke Tyke wrote:

Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

Originally posted by High Heidjin High Heidjin wrote:

In the penultimate Championship game of the season between London Scottish and Richmond, I think you’ll find that each team fielded three loan / DR players. It’s about time some people stopped crying, “foul” and stuck to the facts. For whatever reason, Richmond had a dire performance in the run-in to the end of the season. Blame it on injuries or what you will, but facts and results speak for themselves. 

Well said HH and well respected connected representatives from
other Championship clubs who should know better, for some strange reasons feel the need to mix up fact with fiction on these message board. 

According to the team published on the club web site pre-game, there appeared to be seven Harlequins players in the squad:
Trenholm
Cleaves
Jibulu
Litterick
Jurevicius
Taulani
Slevin



Plus Charalambous from Bath. So much for posters mixing up fact and fiction! 

But that seems to be the way it is now. Ignore the facts, pretend those you disagree with have said things they haven't, pretend they have allegiances they don't and pretend they are talking about one specific incident when they aren't.

The most ridiculous thing is that their nonsense is so blindingly obvious.
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The regulation is quite clear a championship club can play 3 loan players and up to 10 Academy players from another club making a total of 13 players out of a squad of 23. I am not sure about how that creates a club Identity, the only people that it benefits are the players who get game time but in reality still identify with their Home club. this shows on the attendance records , LS have the lowest in the league. Perhaps if the RFU amended the regulation by insisting that D/L or Academy players were on a fixed term loan for the season.

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I think caution is the watchword here, a certain west midlands club relied on players from a travelling band, who went belly up and said west mids club will now be playing at level 5 next year because of said reliance on other peoples players. Just saying...............................Wink

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Originally posted by BigChief BigChief wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Tyke Tyke wrote:

Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

Originally posted by High Heidjin High Heidjin wrote:

In the penultimate Championship game of the season between London Scottish and Richmond, I think you’ll find that each team fielded three loan / DR players. It’s about time some people stopped crying, “foul” and stuck to the facts. For whatever reason, Richmond had a dire performance in the run-in to the end of the season. Blame it on injuries or what you will, but facts and results speak for themselves. 

Well said HH and well respected connected representatives from
other Championship clubs who should know better, for some strange reasons feel the need to mix up fact with fiction on these message board. 

According to the team published on the club web site pre-game, there appeared to be seven Harlequins players in the squad:
Trenholm
Cleaves
Jibulu
Litterick
Jurevicius
Taulani
Slevin



Plus Charalambous from Bath. So much for posters mixing up fact and fiction! 

But that seems to be the way it is now. Ignore the facts, pretend those you disagree with have said things they haven't, pretend they have allegiances they don't and pretend they are talking about one specific incident when they aren't.

The most ridiculous thing is that their nonsense is so blindingly obvious.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Tyke Tyke wrote:

Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

Originally posted by High Heidjin High Heidjin wrote:

In the penultimate Championship game of the season between London Scottish and Richmond, I think you’ll find that each team fielded three loan / DR players. It’s about time some people stopped crying, “foul” and stuck to the facts. For whatever reason, Richmond had a dire performance in the run-in to the end of the season. Blame it on injuries or what you will, but facts and results speak for themselves. 


Well said HH and well respected connected representatives from
other Championship clubs who should know better, for some strange reasons feel the need to mix up fact with fiction on these message board. 


According to the team published on the club web site pre-game, there appeared to be seven Harlequins players in the squad:
Trenholm
Cleaves
Jibulu
Litterick
Jurevicius
Taulani
Slevin




Plus Charalambous from Bath. So much for posters mixing up fact and fiction! 

But that seems to be the way it is now. Ignore the facts, pretend those you disagree with have said things they haven't, pretend they have allegiances they don't and pretend they are talking about one specific incident when they aren't.

The most ridiculous thing is that their nonsense is so blindingly obvious.


The Championship sides only have themselves to blame. This has been going on at various clubs at level 2 and 3 for some years.

It will only cease to be a bone of contention when there are stricter limits on the number of DR/Loan players in each match day squad (as there is in level 4)

Totally agree Raider. It's why the Championship is as discredited as the Premiership as far as I am concerned.
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Tyke Tyke wrote:

Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

Originally posted by High Heidjin High Heidjin wrote:

In the penultimate Championship game of the season between London Scottish and Richmond, I think you’ll find that each team fielded three loan / DR players. It’s about time some people stopped crying, “foul” and stuck to the facts. For whatever reason, Richmond had a dire performance in the run-in to the end of the season. Blame it on injuries or what you will, but facts and results speak for themselves. 


Well said HH and well respected connected representatives from
other Championship clubs who should know better, for some strange reasons feel the need to mix up fact with fiction on these message board. 


According to the team published on the club web site pre-game, there appeared to be seven Harlequins players in the squad:
Trenholm
Cleaves
Jibulu
Litterick
Jurevicius
Taulani
Slevin




Plus Charalambous from Bath. So much for posters mixing up fact and fiction! 

But that seems to be the way it is now. Ignore the facts, pretend those you disagree with have said things they haven't, pretend they have allegiances they don't and pretend they are talking about one specific incident when they aren't.

The most ridiculous thing is that their nonsense is so blindingly obvious.


The Championship sides only have themselves to blame. This has been going on at various clubs at level 2 and 3 for some years.

It will only cease to be a bone of contention when there are stricter limits on the number of DR/Loan players in each match day squad (as there is in level 4)

Totally agree Raider. It's why the Championship is as discredited as the Premiership as far as I am concerned.
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Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Tyke Tyke wrote:

Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

Originally posted by High Heidjin High Heidjin wrote:

In the penultimate Championship game of the season between London Scottish and Richmond, I think you’ll find that each team fielded three loan / DR players. It’s about time some people stopped crying, “foul” and stuck to the facts. For whatever reason, Richmond had a dire performance in the run-in to the end of the season. Blame it on injuries or what you will, but facts and results speak for themselves. 


Well said HH and well respected connected representatives from
other Championship clubs who should know better, for some strange reasons feel the need to mix up fact with fiction on these message board. 


According to the team published on the club web site pre-game, there appeared to be seven Harlequins players in the squad:
Trenholm
Cleaves
Jibulu
Litterick
Jurevicius
Taulani
Slevin




Plus Charalambous from Bath. So much for posters mixing up fact and fiction! 

But that seems to be the way it is now. Ignore the facts, pretend those you disagree with have said things they haven't, pretend they have allegiances they don't and pretend they are talking about one specific incident when they aren't.

The most ridiculous thing is that their nonsense is so blindingly obvious.


The Championship sides only have themselves to blame. This has been going on at various clubs at level 2 and 3 for some years.

It will only cease to be a bone of contention when there are stricter limits on the number of DR/Loan players in each match day squad (as there is in level 4)

Totally agree Raider. It's why the Championship is as discredited as the Premiership as far as I am concerned.
Yeah. All Champ clubs are exactly the same, eh?

No of course they aren't and I clearly didn't say that did I? But if a league adopts a ridiculous rule like this it only takes one or two teams to use it to the maximum to adversely affect sporting competition between the clubs in my opinion. 
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'The Championship sides only have themselves to blame'?

It's the RFU that ultimately sets the parameters, not the clubs.
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