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Topic: Lions 2025 Posted: 8 hours 28 minutes ago at 13:47 |
The Wallabies can beat the Lions, here's how - Horwill
James Horwill has a theory that the Sea of Red, certainly by the third Test, gets a bit salty.
"The Lions fans aren't the best at blending in," says Horwill, who skippered the Wallabies on the Lions' last visit in 2013.
"Some of them I don't think bought anything else apart from a Lions jersey last time.
"They're probably packing light, saving on the airfare - not paying for checked luggage for a three-week vacation."
The arrival of the Lions and their supporters, along with 2027 and 2029 Rugby World Cups and the 2032 Olympic Sevens, has been pegged as a 'golden runway' of events to get union on the up Down Under.
To really achieve lift-off though Australia needs winning Wallabies.
"The expectation of our national team is that they win and win regularly," Horwill explained.
"We want some good performances and I'm hopeful and confident that the Wallabies can get the job done."
The bookies are less confident - the Lions are heavy favourites. But Horwill sees areas where they can be exposed.
"Depending on how [Wallaby head coach] Joe Schmidt goes with selection, I think we might have size in the back five [second and back rows]," he says.
In contrast, the Lions have plenty of back-row options, but their squad prioritises mobility, speed and athleticism over heavy-duty gain-line ball carriers.
Schmidt, meanwhile, has called up 6ft 8in lock Will Skelton, whose 22-stone frame comes at defences at a surprising pace.
Horwill likes the balance the hosts have struck.
"In Rob Valetini and Harry Wilson we have two genuine world-class eights," he said.
"I think Fraser McReight will be the starting number seven and he is a difference maker for us.
"He's an out-and-out fetcher but also is that link between the forwards and the backs.
"On the northern hemisphere tour last year, the only game McReight didn't play was the defeat against Scotland and Australia just didn't have the same flow, understanding or functionality.
"He's a key player for us."
Jake Gordon or Nic White may start at scrum-half, but Horwill says Tate McDermott could be a star turn as the tourists tire in the final quarter.
"Tate has had an excellent Super Rugby season. He is probably the best nine in the country, but his ability to attack teams with his feet might come into play as a replacement," says Horwill.
"You could play a gameplan to tire out the Lions and then bring on Tate in the last 20 to 30 minutes to attack those fringes and pick off the defenders around the ruck, which he does so well."
When Australia beat England at Twickenham's Allianz Stadium in November, McDermott's dart set up a first-half try for captain Wilson.
The last time the Lions toured Australia, Israel Folau, playing his first game of international rugby, scored two tries in Australia's narrow first-Test defeat.
"Izzy was the most naturally freaky sort of athlete that I've ever played with," says Horwill.
"Wherever we put him around the field, someone would have to mark his aerial threat - sometimes double mark him - and that would then create opportunities for others.
"Izzy just made everything look so easy, he moved and jumped so effortlessly for a big guy and Joseph's got a lot of that about him."
Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii - Australia's 6ft 5in big-money import from rugby league - was inspired by Folau as a boy, and the 21-year-old has shown similar aerial ability.
With the Lions looking unconvincing in the battle for the skies against Argentina and struggling to regain kick-offs against Western Force, he will be chasing and leaping hard.
"Wherever Joseph is you are going to see defenders bunching around that area - maybe there's an opportunity to kick elsewhere and get a bit of ascendancy," says Horwill.
For all the interest in England flanker Henry Pollock's supersonic ascent to the upper reaches, Australia have their own bolters.
Corey Toole was part of the Australian sevens team that finished fourth in the Olympics in Paris a year ago, but 11 tries in the Brumbies' 16-game run to the Super Rugby Pacific semi-finals have given him a shot of stepping on to the biggest stage in the XV-man game.
And Max Jorgensen, the 20-year-old son of former Wallaby Peter Jorgensen, is back from an ankle injury in time to contend on the wing as well.
"The one thing you have got in Australia's back three is genuine pace," says Horwill.
"Corey Toole has got real gas and he has certainly bulked up a lot over the past year. He barged over Damian McKenzie to score against the Chiefs in that Super Rugby semi-final - if he does get an opportunity he is really exciting.
"Jorgensen is the sort of prodigious talent we've been building around.
"He has been a little bit unlucky with injuries, and just needs to get some some time in the saddle playing a bit of rugby."
This will be the first series since 2013 that Horwill has watched from the southern hemisphere after he followed a stint at Harlequins with a degree at Cambridge University.
"I just probably didn't appreciate how big it was - the enormity and the importance of it to the fans, and the importance of selection to the players," said Horwill.
"Football's number one, it's everywhere, but for this period, the Lions is on the front and back pages.
"I was living In Putney in London and for that first Test against New Zealand in 2017, I walked along the street at 8am and every pub in Putney was red."
Horwill will be playing host to his own Lions tourist this year. Wales centre Jamie Roberts, who scored the final try as the Lions ran away with the third deciding Test 12 years ago, was at Quins with Horwill.
"It's funny how the world works," says Horwill.
"That third Test is probably the only in my international career that I would like to have back for another run at it.
"Back then, in 2013, we probably never thought we'd be playing together, let alone become quite good friends.
"He was a great guy to have around at Quins and more importantly been a good mate since.
"I'm looking forward to seeing him and his family when they come out here over the summer." |
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Posted: 11 hours 21 minutes ago at 10:54 |
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Yesterday’s man unfortunately. |
He wasn't up to much yesterday. Other than acting as Nigel Wray's PR man of course.
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Posted: 13 hours 19 minutes ago at 08:56 |
Jones giving Pollock 4/10 was a bit harsh but, repeated petulance will lose you points. I am concerned at the over exposure Pollock is now receiving from the media i.e "Rugby Paper had Pollock on pages 1/3/4/5 including the lead pic on p1, "Pollock runs riot" p1 headline etc". As usual, the media have no morals on possibly ruining a young mans career with repeated article after photo after article. They have latched on to a young talent and will now hound him until another one comes along. Marcus Smith must be pleased Pollock is around as it gives his face a break from highlighting everything about the Lions & England.
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Posted: 30 Jun 2025 at 20:05 |
It is amazing that a large media organisation still pays Jones for his waffley, pre-judged comments from the age of the dinosaur. I don't read his stuff by simply not buying/reading the Sunday Times, but unfortunately still had to encounter him as a fan of the (otherwise excellent) Ruck podcast.
SJ told the episode recorded in Perth after the game & sent out on Sunday that Pollock was a joke, a liability and that his grandmother (who must be over 150) could do better in a Lions' back row. The three others on the pod were disagreeing with him, but he wasn't in the mood to change his mind or even listen...
Jones & Stuart Barnes often get bracketed together, but not on this - Barnes wrote what I thought was a balanced piece in today's Times about Pollock, saying he considered HP "the real deal" but also covering his limitations, for example not making loads of dominant tackles, and concluding that impact replacement was his most likely role.
As a postscript, today's Ruck didn't include Jones; maybe it was his day off, or possibly the invite for the recording didn't reach him?
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Posted: 30 Jun 2025 at 12:56 |
Yesterday’s man unfortunately.
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Posted: 30 Jun 2025 at 11:28 |
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Stephen Jones gave Pollock a 4/10.The Australian Press and opposition were praising him his performance. |
I think Stephen Jones would do well to get a score above 0/10 for his "journalism"
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Posted: 30 Jun 2025 at 09:46 |
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Stephen Jones gave Pollock a 4/10.The Australian Press and opposition were praising him his performance. |
Stephen Jones is such a pompous @r$e - 4/10 is a ridiculous mark - obviously doesn't like Pollock so deducts 2 or 3 marks from a sensible score in a bid to undermine his chances.
Having said that, other media have gone in the opposite direction - Rugby Paper had Pollock on pages 1/3/4/5 including the lead pic on p1, "Pollock runs riot" p1 headline etc. In the match report author Adam Hathaway referred to Andy Farrell having to board "the Pollock hype train which is now going full steam" - he (the writer) could have added, but didn't, a reference to: "the train which I am co-driving".
The OTT hype just succeeds in making the 20-y-o player a marked man. He's a real talent, but no need to go overboard. Back row remains really hard to call. I think Farrell will go with a hybrid/bigger option at 6 ie Chessum or Beirne, that leaves a lot of competition for 7 and 8 shirts plus 1 or 2 bench spots from (in no particular order) Pollock, Morgan, Earl, Curry, Conan and Josh vdF
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Posted: 30 Jun 2025 at 08:31 |
[QUOTE=Steve@Mose]Very sad for Tomos Williams. He was brilliant on Saturday.
Yep. Gutted here.
WRU chickens firmly home to roost.
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Posted: 30 Jun 2025 at 07:14 |
Stephen Jones gave Pollock a 4/10.The Australian Press and opposition were praising him his performance.
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Cauliflower ear.
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Posted: 30 Jun 2025 at 06:57 |
Itoje returns as Lions make 14 changes to face Reds
British and Irish Lions: Keenan, Freeman, Jones, Aki, Van der Merwe, Russell, Gibson-Park; Porter, Kelleher, Stuart, Itoje, Chessum, Curry, Morgan, Conan
Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Genge, Bealham, Ryan, Earl, Mitchell, F Smith, Ringrose |
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Posted: 30 Jun 2025 at 06:53 |
Very sad for Tomos Williams. He was brilliant on Saturday.
Wales scrum-half Tomos Williams has been ruled out of the rest of the British and Irish Lions tour of Australia with Scotland's Ben White called up.
Gloucester's Williams was forced off the field with a hamstring injury after scoring a try in the 54-7 win over Western Force in Perth on Saturday.
''This is desperately sad news for Tomos,'' said Lions tour manager Ieuan Evans. ''He is an exemplary Lion who had a brilliant season having joined the Tour as The League once known as the Premiership iership player of the season. He lit up this Lions tour with both his personality and his talent.''
Williams' departure means there is now only one Welshman remaining in the 38-strong squad in flanker Jac Morgan.
Scotland scrum-half White will join the camp from Whangarei in New Zealand where he was preparing to face the Maori All Blacks, Fiji and Samoa this summer.
Ireland's Jamison Gibson-Park will make his first start of the Lions tour at nine against the Queensland Reds on Wednesday, having recovered from a glute injury.
Head coach Andy Farrell confirmed Williams' injury ''was worse than expected''.
''He's an outstanding player - he's played unbelievably well,'' said Farrell. ''But we won't just miss the player, we'll miss the bloke.
"He's everything you want to have on a tour which makes it tougher for us all.'' |
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Posted: 28 Jun 2025 at 20:41 |
The Lions dispatched what was in front of them with ease, and I'd wager that they'll do the same to the Wallabies, well done boys.
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Posted: 28 Jun 2025 at 17:56 |
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Western Force: (7) 7
Try: White Con: Donaldson
British and Irish Lions: (21) 54
Tries: Sheehan, Williams 2, Daly 2, Ringrose, McCarthy, Mitchell Cons: Russell 5, M Smith 2 |
Some nice tries from Lions in their first run-out on Aussie soil, albeit stark contrast between this week’s oppo (lower reaches of Super Rugby) & last time out against the team ranked fifth in the international rankings. But hopefully the touring side will build & be in good shape by Sat 19/7
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Posted: 28 Jun 2025 at 15:44 |
Western Force: (7) 7
Try: White Con: Donaldson
British and Irish Lions: (21) 54
Tries: Sheehan, Williams 2, Daly 2, Ringrose, McCarthy, Mitchell Cons: Russell 5, M Smith 2
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Posted: 27 Jun 2025 at 16:49 |
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Posted: 27 Jun 2025 at 15:38 |
Injured.
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Posted: 27 Jun 2025 at 13:20 |
Isn't Keenan in the squad?
I see him as the best FB and has more experience in the Farrell game plan.
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Posted: 27 Jun 2025 at 12:48 |
Selections at 15 show dearth of fullback options in the squad.
Agreed, Kinghorn will be the starting 15 - between Smith and Daly for a bench place
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Posted: 26 Jun 2025 at 11:39 |
Pleased to see Daly at 15.... a proper full back...although like most, I suspect a fit Kinghorn is likely to start the tests.... (Is Daly the classic bench player that can cover you 3 positions rather than a M Smith) Pollock at 8! As a Saints fan, I really rate the bloke, but as the Euro Final showed, he is not an 8.
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Posted: 26 Jun 2025 at 10:46 |
Kurtley Beale to lead First Nations & Pasifika XV against Lions in Melbourne
Former Wallabies playmaker Kurtley Beale has been selected to lead the First Nations & Pasifika XV, which will debut against the British & Irish Lions in Melbourne in a new fixture hoped to become a rugby union tradition.
Beale, a Darug man with Kamilaroi ancestry, is set to take the field alongside Rob Leota of Samoan and New Zealand descent, Fiji-born Reds backrower Seru Uru, Waratahs flanker Charlie Gamble, who has Tongan background, and Brumbies winger Andy Muirhead, a proud Barunggam man.
These are the first five players selected to wear a jersey designed by Wiradjuri man and Wallabies winger Dylan Pietsch, and given licence to entertain at Marvel Stadium next month.
Beale, 36, who was part of the Wallabies side for the 2013 Lions tour, has returned from an achilles injury for the Western Force this year, but will not play in his club’s match against the Lions on Saturday due to a hamstring complaint, and has just four weeks to recover before the First Nations & Pasifika XV clash.
Tongan-born former Wallaby Toutai Kefu is coaching the team and said Beale’s injury was “slight” and he expected him to play. Now coaching in Japan, Kefu will be joined on the coaching panel by Wallabies legends Sekope Kepu and Glen Ella, as well former All Blacks captain Tana Umaga, whose parents are Samoan.
Kefu said his players are looking forward to the chance to honour their communities and heritage as part of the Lions tour.
“We’re all brothers that originated from the Pacific Ocean,” he said. “The sea is what connects all of us, and we’ve had this great opportunity, not only to play together, but to represent Pasifika players and First Nations players that have played here in Australia in the past.”
While Fiji is a world force in sevens, the national teams of Samoa and Tonga – which Kefu coached for six years – are yet to have the same impact on international rugby union as they have in rugby league, where Samoa reached the 2021 World Cup final and Tonga has beaten New Zealand twice in the past decade.
Kefu said there were ways to help Pacific nations without threatening the integrity of the international game, and believes eligibility rules should be relaxed to assist countries outside the top tier.
“Obviously, there’s a whole [lot of] other details involved, but I think it’s going to make the game better,” he said.
The invitational side was conceived following the demise of the Melbourne Rebels, which were due to play the Lions in Melbourne as part of the tour contract with Rugby Australia and the Victorian government.
Muirhead said he was looking forward to sharing understanding of culture with his teammates in preparation for the match.
“We’re all very passionate about culture, there’s obviously some similarities between all of us, and I think the great thing about rugby is that you get to connect anyway,” he said.
He said more effort was needed to assist young Indigenous players break through into the professional ranks, but this event – similar to the annual NRL Indigenous All-Stars match – was a great chance to platform elite First Nations talent.
“Having a game like this where young boys and girls see, not only Indigenous but Pasifika players come together, might motivate them,” he said. |
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