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Originally posted by stato stato wrote:

At my club, I am fairly certain 100% of the players will be happy with 4 less weeks of rugby, even if it means 4 less weeks of pay across an 8 month season. 

But it could mean a significant get loss of income, notwithstanding player wages. Needs a holistic view, playing and funding
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thunderbird Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Feb 2022 at 20:13
I concur with that . Real time funding stopped. What will happen next year is anyone's guess
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Hi Halliford....your last post takes me back to my original point.  Thanks to you.....i now understand that all of our DoR's voted for an 14 team league.....and it would seem....that some clubs may have conferred with both their members and sponsors before making this decision.  good stuff

What was uncertain for me...was whether at the point of making this decision, they fully understood the implications ?  from your last note.....it would seem that the three 14 team leagues at level 4 were subsequently imposed by the RFU ?

if that is true....and i concede that i may well have misunderstood yet again....then it is my opinion that the clubs should have been able to vote on this more significant issue.  why not.....it is seriously consequential.

i confess that my own opinion is biased by a league setup i read a long time ago.....which showed my team as part of an SW configuration.  Not only did this represent a lowering of standard, but also, an almost doubling of travel distance.  this to me....was clearly not fit for purpose, though i hope we will end up in the SE section when the configuration is announced.

up to date.....two amazing fixtures in prospect tomorrow....i would like to watch both and the good news is that the Nat league show is showing the Clifton/redruth game as their main event.  Then we have your encounter with Hawks.

i will probably end up predicting two home wins.....though i confess that i would hardly be surprised to see both results reversed.
I suspect that if Hawks cannot find a way to win at your place....they cannot get into the final mix. should be a hell of a game.....particularly given your injury reports.  Though much the same all around.

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Darth, the imposition was prior to the vote. We all knew about that structure before this season started. In our area Level 5 Clubs are delighted to be able to gain promotion without winning anything!

I still don’t know the make-up. We are to the west of London and it is easier for us to get to Clifton (when the M4 is open) than it is to get to Westcliff. So there is an argument for us going West. When we were at Level 3 our Christmas match was away at Plymouth because we were the nearest team to them!

Tomorrow will be interesting! We have lost twice - away at Lions and Henley. We have beaten Lions at home and hope to beat Henley tomorrow. Our match at Henley was impacted by our fly half testing positive on the morning of the match and our back line was disrupted. This time our first choice centres are both out - for the season - but their stand-ins are doing well. We have 2extra loan forwards, one benches tomorrow, and we hope that will help us through the next few difficult weeks!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Darth Raider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Feb 2022 at 23:35
ok halliford.....i am slowly coming to understand the process and the sequence of events.
i guess i should give up now as i remain confused.....to wit.....why did all of our DoR's vote in favour if they understood the consequences of the new structure ?  Which ....as i understand it....most are very unhappy with ?

Best of luck tomorrow....my analysis of Esher games would seem to indicate that they are pressed close by teams with very good packs.  Hawks have a good pack and a very good back row (imo).....also an outstanding lineout and maul.  i confess i don't know why, but they don't seem to defend well over the 80mins......shipped 6 tries last week and 4 at home to Westcliff the week before.  So going for an home win myself.....but you should worry about that as i am notoriously poor at prediction Ouch 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 2022 at 08:08
Halliford - slightly harsh on the Level 5 clubs - even under the old set up 6 would be coming up anyway (4 RPL winners plus 2 from the play offs)
True there will be 11 coming up as it stands, some of which will have won nothing - I don't envy their position coming up having finished 3rd!! The 6 clubs who would have been relegated from L4 will also retain their positions so I think everyone can expect the 3 new L4 leagues will indeed be split into two halves (but that is not uncommon in other leagues around the land) 


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But another 6 would have been relegated, and while all of those have won at least one game, they have had a season of conceding 20-30 points a game.

If this led to less travel at lower levels and therefore more people staying in the game - it might be a price worth paying, but I do not believe it will, as those leagues are essentially untouched. Presumably due to the RFU not having the political capital to rip up the current DOCs and CBs.
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Originally posted by Darth Raider Darth Raider wrote:

ok halliford.....i am slowly coming to understand the process and the sequence of events.
i guess i should give up now as i remain confused.....to wit.....why did all of our DoR's vote in favour if they understood the consequences of the new structure ?  Which ....as i understand it....most are very unhappy with ?

Best of luck tomorrow....my analysis of Esher games would seem to indicate that they are pressed close by teams with very good packs.  Hawks have a good pack and a very good back row (imo).....also an outstanding lineout and maul.  i confess i don't know why, but they don't seem to defend well over the 80mins......shipped 6 tries last week and 4 at home to Westcliff the week before.  So going for an home win myself.....but you should worry about that as i am notoriously poor at prediction Ouch 

I’m surprised you say most DoRs are unhappy with the change. That’s not something I’ve heard. I know ours is very happy with the change.

Looking forward to today’s match. It will be close, all our matches are at the moment, and our winning streak is now our longest since we last won National 1! We have a very settled pack of forwards and a very experienced pair of wingers, let’s hope the bits that link them together work better than last week!
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Originally posted by Darth Raider Darth Raider wrote:

Also hoping the Barum injury situation improves,  but i suspect that at this stage of the season, they will be far from alone in that regard

I’m sure you’re right, but I do think it has a far greater impact on Barum than most other clubs because of the available player pool. Apart from Redruth, we are the most isolated club in the national leagues. We’re 50 miles from any other L4 or above club. As a result, when we lose an experienced player there is very rarely an option to bring in a replacement, in the way a club based in the SE can. 

The furthest anyone in our squad lives from Barnstaple is just this side of Taunton and that’s one player. We have one from Bude (25 miles) and one from Launceston (30miles). Having done some of the admin for the trip to Guernsey and having had a peek at passports, I can tell you 15 of our 20 man squad that day was born at North Devon District Hospital. 

We’ve also fielded 4 18-year-olds and in the region of 10-12 players under 22 this year. While that bodes well for the future, it isn’t the same as clubs based elsewhere blooding youngsters. Our player pool is thin to begin with and a lot of our youngsters have played limited amounts of rugby. Colts rugby in Devon isn’t the best standard and most clubs opt not to travel to North Devon and accept a points deduction. The lower level clubs nearby play at level 7 and below and are generally against receiving loan players so we can’t send players out for experience. Second team rugby in Devon should improve next year, as we will be allowed to enter the team into the league structure, but at the moment our 2s can go 4 weeks without a game in the merit table as most teams in the league, all based in the south, aren’t prepared to travel north and forfeit games rather than spend 2 hours travelling for second team rugby. 

The most talented young players get hoovered up by Exeter, who then prevent them playing at their local club. Many play limited rugby while on the books. The best are sent to Taunton and Albion, who are favoured by Chiefs. In recent years have had several players from Barnstaple sign for Chiefs, be sent on loan to Taunton and then spend the season in their second team. Taunton have a tendency to hoard players. I can think of several examples of players who then wish to leave but Taunton refuse to release them from their contracts. Only the most persistent have managed to get released and understandably many are unwilling to argue the case with their coaches at Chiefs. Effectively some of the best young talent from Barnstaple is prevented from playing for their local club and simply pick up splinters elsewhere. 
Sadly there are several cases of really good players who have ended up quitting rugby in the early 20s having never achieved anything close to their potential. 

The net result is that when we lose experienced players what we have to replace them with is far more raw than young players at other level 4 clubs and there is no real option to recruit replacements. Ultimately we are harder hit, I believe, by injuries than most other clubs.


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Some more very entertaining games this week.....with the highlights I suppose, the two away wins in our top of the table encounters.

Choppers managed to continue their incredible unbeaten away record with a narrow victory over Clifton. 
Am hoping for some eyewitness accounts on this one.  So Redruth go top of the table again Clap 

Perhaps more surprising was the Hawks win at Molesey Rd.  Not so much the win itself, but the size of it. The scoreline would seem to indicate a bit of a cuffing ?  Whether this will be enough to get the Dry Leas mob back in the running is yet to be seen.....but there is still a third of the season left and that was a big step in the right direction.  

After their defeat at home to my lot.....BSE have now won 5 on the trot.....easing past OA's and Guernsey into the 'best of the rest' position in 7th.  A very good run.  You would think that Lions might find it difficult to close the gap on those above them after this defeat, though they have several games in hand.

Such is the standard, that my lot, who have won 6 on the trot themselves, dropping only one point, are still anchored in 4th place.  But i'll take that Wink
We hosted the top bonus points scorers in the league yesterday.....Dings.  They play an excellent brand of attacking rugby, running the ball from pretty much anywhere.  All of their back 3 are very good players and they gave us quite a fright, taking the lead early in the second half.  Thankfully, our own backs were in decent form too and saw us home.
Dings should really have secured a second BP when they kicked a lengthy pen from our 10m line with 2mins left on the clock to secure the LBP.  Unfortunately, they then butchered the restart and we got over for our 8th try......which will have disappointed them Ouch

The islanders edged past the Barnow boys in another 5-2 win.....that looks like it will have been another tense finish ?

And yet another 2-5 in the OA's win at Rochford......who seem to havegiven another good account of themselves and continue to pick up valuable league points.

Westcliff followed up their first win last week with another strong performance at home to Hinckley.  The visitors took the spoils but the 12-22 scoreline still looks like a much improved defensive performance.  Perhaps they are starting to head in the right direction ?

Lastly,  the City Side picked up the expected 5pts in a convincing win against injury depleted Barum. 




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Those two away wins at the top of the table has blown the title race wide open...Not sure which side has potentially the "easier" run in...but it shall be fascinating to see who can get over the line....

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Apart from the score, we had a very enjoyable 2 day mini tour to Guernsey, hospitable in the clubhouse, hotel and in the local hostelries, I would urge all of you that have away games to go mob handed and have some fun and banter. 
In the game, Raiders made a number of mistakes and in the first half, our backs took full advantage, romping to a 0-19 lead, then we lost our fly half to concussion, which completely changed the shape of our play, and one of our locks was carded right on half time, under our posts, and Guernsey’s excellent front five turned the screw and scored..7-19 at the break with a man down not the same as going in 0-19 up and a full compliment of players on the pitch! two quick scores by Raiders, from poorly defended catch and drives whilst we were still down to 14 men, saw the islanders take the lead 19-21, and for the rest of the game we were strangled by their forwards, and the little possession we did get was squandered through a uncharacteristic series of knock ons..we have a couple of chances to win in the dying minutes, a long distance penalty, and a knock on with a simple run in begging so we have only ourselves to blame…still we had great fun after the game, and for many of our youngsters it was their first experience of a “tour” albeit it a short one, and the disappointment soon dissipated into mellow goodwill to all rugby folks, rugby memories are made of weekends like this one!


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A case of Deja Vu at Molesey Road. Back in October Sam Morley pulled out on the morning of the match at Dry Leas having tested positive for Covid. On Saturday he pulled out with back spasms in the warm-up. Both times Jack Lavin stepped in at fly-half and Rhodri Adamson at full-back, neither having had much opportunity to prepare for that change. On both occasions it cost us dearly.

Ironically Esher had plenty of possession and territory on Saturday but couldn't make it count while Henley made the most of their possession. As the watching London Irish Academy Manager said after the match, the Henley loanees (Bradbury and Davies) were more influential than the Esher loanees (Vajner and Cunningham-South).

We are all hoping that is the wake-up call the players need. We still have fewer losses than Clifton or Worthing and play Redruth in two weeks' time - what a big game that will be! We are feeling the loss of our 2 starting Centres who won't play again this season - Peters and Davies - and need to find ways of scoring and also defending in the middle of the park.

Henley were good value for their win, competitive at the line-out, although Esher were better in the scrum, and more inventive in their back play. A day to forget for Esher supporters.
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With Dings being away I ventured to Station Road on Saturday and witnessed a very exciting game which went down to the wire, there was little between the two teams but Redruth had a lower penalty count and seemed to get better help from the ref.

Normally as you know it is usually one man and his dog at Clifton but with the Cornish in town the gate appeared quite good.

The newspaper report failed to mention two spectacular tries from the Clifton backs and surprisingly their scrum was stronger but their lineout was a mess and Redruth took advantage of this.

Some would say that scrum half Oulton was the difference between the two sides but it was only a needless penalty that defined the win.

This match was a credit to National League Rugby and may be Redruth wanted it more than Clifton.
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A somewhat curmudgeonly admission that the Choppers won the match on one of their shorter away fixtures, only a 350 mile return trip, to complete the double over Clifton, whilst also boosting the home team’s gate receipts.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2022 at 10:52
Johnny Murdoch will clock up 200 appearances for Leicester Lions against Canterbury this weekend...........assuming the game is on with the weather as it is.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sweatysock Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2022 at 18:21
still really tight at the top - Redruth probably the form team and Esher perhaps floundering a little of late (injuries?). Great to have 4 teams still in the mix - suppose you could stretch that to 6 if you include Henley and Leicester


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i guess the biggest news this week, is that after scraping a home win against Guernsey, Esher have now lost two on the trot.  Albeit narrowly away at Hinckley and picking up an LBP in the process, which I believe keeps them in 3rd place and still with a game in hand. I expect Halliford will provide us all with a more informed update after he has finished licking his wounds TongueWink

I am beginning to suspect some sort of skullduggery down at the local betting shop from those Barnow boys LOL   Leave it out chaps !  there are many well intentioned chaps here trying to predict the results every week !  that is 5 draws now.....which must be a record.  I reckon we should get a written apology from Injun or somebody at GoosePooPark Wink

Clifton already had a very impressive pack.  The two new additions seem to have taken them up another level as they mangled OA's at Woollams today.  When OA's visited our place recently, i thought that their weakness ewas their front row.....so this was a match made in hell for them today Ouch

Things keep changing......as does my dodgy opinion, but it is starting to look like the top two have a bit of an edge on the teams in 3rd to 6th place......and a big edge on the others.

Another good win by Lions at home.......putting a nil on the City Side.  Aside from an early season defeat to Clifton, they have had an 100% record since.  They have not been quite as good away so far......and let us hope fervently that that continues next week. Wink

The 100 seem to be on stronger form of late and indeed, free scoring.  Another TBP away at Dings today......scoring 5 tries in the first 60mins.....perhaps running out of steam after that.  If you were a neutral and wanted a season ticket......Shaftesbury Park might be the place to go ?  Dings win this one by 9 tries to 5, after losing by 8 tries to 5 against my lot last week (another good option for a season ticket Wink
I do worry for the mental health of their defence coach mind LOL

The islanders have been in decent form and free scoring themselves of late,  so it was no mean feat for the Hawks to put a nil on them at Dry Leas whilst picking up the TBP.  I am assuming for now, that it was the re-modelled and effective Hawks back line that scored their tries in the corners, there being no conversions.  So Hawks still hanging in there 

i don't yet have a proper first hand account of my lot's expedition to Pottington Rd.....Raiders often take large numbers of fans to away games and Barum is a much favoured destination.  I know many were put of by the weather yesterday.....bad news for the home teams coffers.  I do know that the pitch was very heavy, the wind was in excess of 40mph and there was rain.  I am still pleased with another win on the road, but suspect that the conditions might have cost us our usual TBP Ouch 

hoping as ever for some first hand accounts of any of today's games.
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Without wishing to downplay Barums obvious spirit Worthing probably put down enough chances to win the game three times over. In mitigation to Worthing the conditions were awful. A real old school mud fest. Anything down the middle was like running in treacle according to a few of the participants. That said full credit to the Barum ground crew who managed to get the match played. 
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don't envy you the long drive and vile conditions Wigwam.......guess you just returned safely ?  good to hear that there were at least a few on the Raid Big smile
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