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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dropout22 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 14:05
Both clubs appealed... 
Ealing looking to ground-share with Saracens.
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That really is very cute (and clever!) knowing full well that Saracens were allowed back in at a time when they were unable to meet the 10,001 criteria
Good luck to both Donny and Ealing in overturning this ludicrous judgement that brings the whole game into disrepute
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 14:27
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

That really is very cute (and clever!) knowing full well that Saracens were allowed back in at a time when they were unable to meet the 10,001 criteria
Good luck to both Donny and Ealing in overturning this ludicrous judgement that brings the whole game into disrepute

If the RFU tries to deny the appeal on the basis that they should have put this information in their original submission the RFU will face more opprobrium than they did earlier in the week
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OldNick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 15:09
It was certainly a share that was being rumoured openly when Coventry played at Ealing on 22nd January.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 15:51
Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

It was certainly a share that was being rumoured openly when Coventry played at Ealing on 22nd January.
Yes, I recall you saying at the time.
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Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

Just thinking how Rugby wants 10.000 capacity venues.

But if Luton Town get in footballs Premier League through play offs, it will be in a ground less than 10,500.



They just hosted Chelsea didn’t they?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kempstonblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 22:52
Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

Just thinking how Rugby wants 10.000 capacity venues.

But if Luton Town get in footballs Premier League through play offs, it will be in a ground less than 10,500.



They just hosted Chelsea didn’t they?

Exactly 
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Great article, let’s hope if either team wins the Champ they successfully appeal.

Personally I’m not fussed about playing in the Prem but the fact they have told us we can’t makes me want to stick two finger up at the establishment. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gerg_861 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 08:04
Also, how many premiership clubs have training facilities of this standard?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 08:43
In the light of the RFU decision could the Championship Clubs opt out of the proposed Cup competition and replace it with an alternative set of fixtures which would in part mirror the old play-off system? I'm sure brighter minds can improve on my first thoughts which in summary are:
  • In series one the eight teams finishing the regular season in positions 4 to 11 would play each other with 4 playing 11, 5 playing 10 etc 
  • The four winners in series one would play each other in series two to produce two winners.
  • The series two winners would play each other in series three.
  • Series four would introduce the top three teams who would play home and away with top position playing the winner of series three and position 2 would play position 3.
  • A final would be played between the winners of series four.
  • The bottom team in the Prem might be invited to play the winner of the final who could very reasonably be handicapped by being required to play in bare feet to ensure a proper team from the Prem wins in the end.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 17:15
Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

https://rugbyandthelaw.com/2022/03/04/ealing-trailfinders-doncaster-knights-rugby-denied-premiership-promotion-rfu-grounds-for-appeal-independent-arbitration-panel-competition-law/

Excellent article by a solicitor at a sports law firm. Seems very likely that either team will win on appeal.

Just like London Welsh did when they exposed the hypocrisy of not allowing them to go up playing at Oxford on the grounds of a lack of primacy of tenancy, when clubs like London Irish groundshared and didn't have primacy.

This is either going to be overturned or end up in court.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ChrisB Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 17:54
BT Sport doubling up as the RFU/Prem spokesmen in this discussion this evening - not much effort to see the Champ clubs points of view
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gerg_861 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 20:05
Originally posted by ChrisB ChrisB wrote:

BT Sport doubling up as the RFU/Prem spokesmen in this discussion this evening - not much effort to see the Champ clubs points of view
Agreed, very tedious, and utterly at odds with all but one of the tweets/mails.
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The party line was well and truly toed. Nothing more than lip-service paid to any other point of view. All about what the Premiership clubs have to lose, little about what Championship clubs have to gain. Disappointing but predictable.
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I was talking to a former RFU Council member last week. He is a very well connected senior guy with a distinguished rugby pedigree. His view about all of this was damming of the RFU and he made it clear that there was no one in the senior management of the RFU that had any connection or empathy with the club game and the RFU's energies and focus were entirely devoted to the Premiership and the international game.

He did correct my point about largesse and freebies for the RFU Council members ......citing that there isn't any money available for that now, but he did concur that the majority of the RFU Council members are still in thrall to RFU Senior Management and they do not act as the check and balance they should do.

His view of the treatment of the Championship was that the RFU will only provide minimal support out of whatever is left after the RFU has provided for the Premiership and the International game

He was scathing of the Senior Management of the RFU for their lack of understanding and empathy for the wider game and their clear lack of transparency and accountability.

The reason that I have set out some of the important matters arising from this private conversation is that it confirms from someone very much closer to the action than all of us, that our frustrations and anger are well founded. 

The individual concerned (who it would be unfair of me to name as it was a private conversation) was interested to learn that there was an online petition about all of this and he was also made aware of the strength of feeling on the Rolling Maul forum which he had never previously visited.

On the basis that this petition may further highlight the disregard that the RFU has for the club game and its 2,000 + clubs I have repeated the link here





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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 18:50
Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

.... no one in the senior management of the RFU that had any connection or empathy with the club game and the RFU's energies and focus were entirely devoted to the Premiership and the international game.

...scathing of the Senior Management of the RFU for their lack of understanding and empathy for the wider game and their clear lack of transparency and accountabiliy


Nice one Eddie. Be good to see this discussion on TV or in a broadsheet or TRP (one reporter excluded)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2022 at 13:03
And just to show how biased the RFU is - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-60696248

Although not directly linked to the RFU.


Edited by castleparknight - 11 Mar 2022 at 13:11
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gerg_861 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2022 at 15:48
Ealing statement published. This aligns with rumors that I heard that the RFU pulled a bait and switch, first encouraging the phased development, then issuing the failed audit announcement.

Firstly we would like to thank our loyal supporters and the wider rugby world for the enormous swell of support and empathy following the RFU's disappointing decision.

To be clear, if we win this year’s fiercely contested Championship, we will be appealing the decision and have lodged that request formally in advance. We are confident of a positive outcome to this appeal.

Our submitted audit was not surprisingly based on the revised Minimum Standards Criteria, which focused, post covid, on clubs building financially secure and sustainable models protecting the Clubs, the Premiership and English Rugby.

Because of this shift in focus and positive engagement with key Union decision-makers, we put forward a staged stadium development approach at our home ground, giving us the ability to have 7,500 capacity in Year 1 and build to 10,001 by Year 3. Our accurate assumptions are that our crowds would never be sold out at those numbers in that time frame, therefore having no negative effect on a rugby supporter or any other external bodies.

The plan would develop a financially sustainable way robustly underpinned by our passionate and committed owner. Looking at rugby attendances in the premiership this season, our proposed capacity would not be out of sync with the attendances at many of the Premiership grounds.

In its current format, our ground has hosted a season of Super League Rugby, The Women's Premiership Final and would have hosted England U20 v South Africa U20 (cancelled by Covid). 

Our plans to significantly improve our current set up in Year 1 and by Year 3 having a 10,001 stadium despite the events above have been refused.

Interestingly looking at football, a sport we would love to rival on attendances, have a minimum capacity for Premier League entry of 5,000.

Championship Clubs with Premiership ambitions should surely be actively encouraged to develop their stadiums rather than renting other grounds and losing key income lines along the way (food, drink, merchandise, ticketing). Plans and methods should be implicated and encouraged by governing bodies to ensure this happens whilst ensuring no adverse effects to supporters, other clubs, broadcasters etc. Our proposal is detailed, robust and in keeping with the spirit of the revised MSC, and the RFU’s decision is disappointing.

Thank you once again for the support we have received. We hope the climax to the season is an exciting one, with the best team on the pitch picking up the trophy. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2022 at 15:55
Nice, sensible response Clap
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