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Paul10
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Biased, but I think Saints is an excellently run organisation. Their engagement with local clubs and kids is superb.
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FHLH
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May be the case now, but as a parent, my experience is thar their approach to children is, at best, poor.
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FHLH
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I wonder how many of the England U20s squad came through volunteer led community clubs, National Leagues and the Championship? Heaven forbid that the RFU should invest in clubs outside the Premiership!
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rugbychris
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https://www.lnr.fr/actualite/top-14-et-pro-d2-les-droits-audiovisuels-attribues-a-canal-pour-les-saisons-20272028-a-20312032
RFU champ funding laughable in comparison. |
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Paul10
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Yes but..
Those are TV rights not funding from the FFR to the clubs. I read that more people watch Pro D2 than the football equivalent. Tres bien travaille France! (?) |
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FHLH
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This and the news of 4 foreign players being chased by Borthwick on residency grounds. wtf
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rugbychris
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Interesting that from this article it looks like French clubs have totally different funding model to English clubs. TV rights and local government make up the bulk. England looks a very sorry state by comparison. I wonder if this is going to translate into French dominance for many years to come.
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FHLH
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And only 52% permitted on players, 16 French qualified in match day squads plus up to relegation for financial irregularities
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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tulip
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I don’t get it. We put 5 teams out regularly. I gave up at 37 in my prime because the wife reminded me I was self employed and injury would not be acceptable Edited by tulip - 24 May 2024 at 17:23 |
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KnightsBoy
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https://www.drfc.co.uk/statement-by-the-championship-clubs/
This has been put on its own thread by kimbo Edited by KnightsBoy - 03 Jun 2024 at 17:34 |
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Kimbo
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Sorry, didn't notice you'd added it here.
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islander
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Cov's Ch Exec Nick Johnston was on local BBC this evening, prompting this tweet from the presenter Carson Wishart: "The @CoventryRugby chief executive, Nick Johnston, has told me on @BBCCWRSport tonight the club is prepared to drop down to the national leagues - if it can't reach an agreement with the RFU on Friday over funding and the Tier 1 & 2 structure." The interview is on BBC Sounds, the relevant part is around 5 minutes starting at 30' 40" via link below. Altho' he does talk of Nat 1, there's also mention of a meeting tomorrow at which the Champ clubs are prepared to compromise and burn the midnight oil in order to get a deal... |
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The Blues
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They can’t find 12 clubs from the lower leagues or those that no longer exist who have the stadiums, money and support to a Tier 2 structure they want, so it is in the interests of the RFU to be reasonable.
I would also hope that some Premiership clubs will wake up and also help e.g. Leicester as they have used Nottingham to send players, Saints with Blues, Gloucester with Hartpury, Exeter with Pirates and being a Championship club originally. These clubs trust the Championship to help nurture their future talent and they could lose it all.
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Camquin
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I personally do not believe the ghosts can be revived.
They also seem to think that the aspirational N1 clubs could run a professional side without additional funding - but if they could, I am sure they would already be doing so. Given most clubs are looking at a 40-man squad, going from a £5k retainer to a £30k wage is an additional £1m per club. And we know the RFU does not have the money to fund that. |
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*Stalwart
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Looking at these sensible comments it's clear that if the Champ clubs stick together they are in a strong bargaining position. The threat from the RFU to relegate every Champ club to Nat 1, if they don't cave in to their unreasonable demands, is pretty ridiculous when you start to think about the knock-on effects it would have on the entire league structure.
As others have said, bringing back failed clubs and trying to find enough clubs with the infrastructure and finances to support a professional squad is never going to work.
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WEvans
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The "punishment" of Championship clubs being relegated to the National League is something that should be welcomed by everyone except the myopic, self-interested almost bankrupt Premiership clubs and the ludicrously out of touch RFU.
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Nat1
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I'm not sure that it would be 'welcomed' by all the National League clubs in all honesty.
For example, the cascading or shunting effect down the leagues would see the likes of Oxford Quins, Havant and others in the future deprived of their opportunity to compete in the National League for the very first time, an achievement they would have worked hard for over the years. Then there is the current full time professional Champ players, coaches and staff. How would their ongoing wages be paid for as sponsorsorship inevitably wanes, along with ticket prices etc realistically having to be lowered as they embark on a new chapter in the semi-pro National League. As has been highlighted before, there is zero chance of the current National 1 clubs becoming fully pro, for a whole plethora of reasons. There are many ramifications if the Champ clubs are 'punished', but few of them are welcome.
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islander
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I don't think the notional suggestion that the 12 Champ clubs could/should be integrated into the national leagues in time for the season to kick off in early Sept is realistic. So I don't see the likes of Havant, Oxford Quins etc having to worry about the furniture being moved a month after the fixtures came out.
I guess this is a possible longer-term option - one of many - that could result from RFU intransigence. As Stalwart has said, it's a bargaining position from the 12, and potentially a strong one if they stay united. And the discussions are going on as we speak...
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Breakdown
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The chances of Championship clubs being downgraded like this are virtually zero. First, even if they could cobble together participants, the RFU can't create a new league above the current Tier 2 - it would be a clear breach of competition law. Second, they have already said that the result of a failure to reach agreement would be a deferral of Tier 2 negotiations for another year, which nobody wants, but on the current conditions ie £160K a year central funding and not the fabled £4m (£333K per club) that is on offer. Third, the National Leagues would not wear it.
Also worth pointing out that the idea of more loan players and closer links with Prem clubs is all well and good, but takes us closer to the so-called zombie league idea that would surely be the ruin of some great name clubs. Or should I say, the ruin of more great-name clubs?
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Broken down. Beyond repair.
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WEvans
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Absolutely no reason why with a bit of good will the NL couldn't be expanded so that the likes of Oxford Quins, Havant and the others get to stay. If properly organised the remaining Championship clubs would probably be pleading to be similarly "punished" in a years or so and then the NL could truly be a national league for all but the dwindling group of Premiership clubs.
As for full-time professional players current contracts would obviously have to be honoured as they would have had to be in the underfunded Championship but as the contracts run down the "punished" clubs would have an opportunity to realise that full-time professional rugby is simply not sustainable in this country and cut their cloth accordingly. Of course if they think it is then they would be free to organise their own funding but they would simply have to learn from the very vast majority of clubs in the NL and below and live within their means.
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