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The biggest surprise of that article, is it exists.
It was on a BBC web page.
Written by a Look East person,
Refers to Ampthill, Bedford and Cambridge.
Listen to 3CR or watch Look East the coverage of these clubs is scant.Cambridge get a slightly better coverage being a single county radio station.

If the media do not care, the RFU will do what it likes, for the ‘health and well-being’ of the game. 
Tier 2 will be 14 franchises.
Playing 8 more league games than tier 1. Which should balance against European weekends.
Somehow despite 12 tier 2 clubs currently, three Phoenix brands will be included. London Irish, wasps and Worcester. 
Then early next year in a desperate Sweeny move Rugby Europe will announce franchises in its Super Rugby in Portugal, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands have been accepted into Englands tier 2. The seven remaining slots will be allocated by impressing the judges on MasterChef.
Simultaneously Italys top league will include teams from Georgia, Romania, Czech Republic and Germany.
The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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Originally posted by TAS63 TAS63 wrote:

Welcome to the new season, welcome to the same sh*t from our friends at the Allianz Stadium.

The last Alianz rugby stadium we had in this country was populated by hugely disreputable people (many of them still there in a re-named stadium) and the same can be said of the new one.

Allianz really know how to pick them don't they? 
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While the Wasps RFC name is owned by a bunch of property developers who want to use it as an excuse to build houses, there does not seem to be any interest in Worcester or London Irish from anyone with even a modicum of money.

The administrators are once bitten, so I would hope they will be twice shy.

The administrator's report on London Irish does mention ongoing discussions, but does not name anyone interested. 

While it looks like the amateur club might be able to retain Hazelwood. 

The loan from Close will be repaid from the sale of the P-shares - which is still not sorted out, but Sports England and Powerday are not going to be repaid. And neither will be unsecured creditors, including HMRC.



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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Especially as the money is channelled through Premiership Rugby, so nearly a quarter leaks out to CVC.

I don't think it does, it doesn't go through the premiership rugby accounts and with central contracts as part of the 33M a year deal, I doubt it will be split evenly.

CVC's deal is for 27% Of commercial revenue which according to the 22-23 accounts on company house was £62M which is mainly made up of the prem TV and sponsorship deals and 1 third of EPCR revenue. Given the reported annual values that looks about right to me. that figure is trending down and given the reduced TV deal, the next couple of years will make for interesting reading. Is the EPCR premier-TV deal the big uplift mentioned in the PR speil. I doubt it very much.

That left around less than 4M per club after CVC' dividends and administative costs. It's peanuts in the world of elite sport and why the RFU have to susidise a bankrupt league.

As for CVC, they bought a Turd. Having paid over £200M they have had around £61.5M in dividends up to the 2022-23 accounts. It will take decades for them to see any real RTI, unless they can find a sucker willing to buy the Turd.
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It did seem a ludicrous piece of business by CVC but they aren't renowned for financial incompetence so I wonder if there is something we are all missing although I can't work out what it is. 
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Especially as the money is channelled through Premiership Rugby, so nearly a quarter leaks out to CVC.

None of the PGP money goes to CVC.  Can we please stop repeating that canard that does nothing but stir up ill feeling?

There is the whole rest of the agreement that's fair game for criticising! 
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My mistake for believing the press reports, which said it was going through Premiership Rugby.
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There appears to be a difference of opinion regarding the structure of next years league make up so can someone please clarify it. 
The to views are :-
  1. Promotion to Premiership after a play off June 2025. One club relegated to Nat 1 and 2 promoted. This will make the league 13 UNLESS the third club promoted is WASPS!!
  2. Same Promotion to Premiership but 2 up from Nat 1 and NO relegation 
Which is correct or as usual no decision has yet been made until the issue of Wasps can be resolved as I am sure there will be a big outcry from Championship and other clubs who are currently working their way back up from the bottom if this happens.
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Something stirring in the West.


Unable to copy and paste full text properly. Worcester Warriors think they can be in Prem I or II


Edited by Paul10 - 26 Sep 2024 at 10:17
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Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

Something stirring in the West.


Unable to copy and paste full text properly. Worcester Warriors think they can be in Prem I or II

I don't think any of us would object to any of this, as long as Worcester start at the lowest level and go from there. Parachuting anyone into Prem 1, or Prem 2 is simply wrong.
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Tbf, the Article does say it's fanciful to expect them In the 2nd tier. Given the pitiful funding from the RFU, it would take a lot of money to pay off the rugby debts, assemble a squad and coaching staff and for what? Even if they could win it and beat Newcastle, there is no P share. 
Meanwhile. Over the Channel, the gulf gets bigger!


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'Healthy' second tier in France where almost every club is losing money, same as in the Top 14: https://assets.lnr.fr/1/6/8/6/5/0/Rapport-CCCP-2024_24dc227bbe9d959656047208809eee81.pdf

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Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

Something stirring in the West.


Unable to copy and paste full text properly. Worcester Warriors think they can be in Prem I or II

Presumably you mean the West Midlands?
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The above posts do not answer a simple question At the end of this season will it be One club relegated and 2 promoted plus a franchise club? or no relegation and 2 up. Clubs need to know what they are playing for.
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Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

Something stirring in the West.


Unable to copy and paste full text properly. Worcester Warriors think they can be in Prem I or II

Presumably you mean the West Midlands?

Everything between Oxford and Wales is the West for me.
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Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

The above posts do not answer a simple question At the end of this season will it be One club relegated and 2 promoted plus a franchise club? or no relegation and 2 up. Clubs need to know what they are playing for.

Far too early to make those kinds of decisions. 
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Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

Something stirring in the West.


Unable to copy and paste full text properly. Worcester Warriors think they can be in Prem I or II

Presumably you mean the West Midlands?
About 40 miles from the border. Fairly West IMO.
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Originally posted by knightandday knightandday wrote:

Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

The above posts do not answer a simple question At the end of this season will it be One club relegated and 2 promoted plus a franchise club? or no relegation and 2 up. Clubs need to know what they are playing for.

Far too early to make those kinds of decisions. 

Indeed it's not April yet is it?

Besides the Premiership may well have lost a few more clubs by the start of next season.

If we are lucky some might say.
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Maybe the plan is for the 3 Prem clubs that aren't balance sheet negative to join the Championship? With relegation from the Champ, that would take us to 14 clubs. 
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https://www.rugbypass.com/news/rfu-confirm-deadline-for-additional-teams-to-apply-for-new-tier-2/

Nope, just a stitch up
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