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The Championship clubs have one vision, which includes their pledge to reduce the number of DR and loan players in a squad.

But the ten premiership owners have a different view, they want to control the young players and those players need a finishing school.

And the RFU is in hock to the owners, as if they pull out there would not be professional rugby. 

And despite the increasing proportion of the RFU's money going to the professional teams - it all goes into wages. Clubs cannot reduce wages because the French have more money. So, professional clubs need an owner willing and able to put several million a year into the team.

In order to sell the second tier to the TV companies, they want names the TV executives have heard of. But, because they have never promoted the second tier  - man of the current Championship clubs do not have great name recognition. 
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Beautifully put, Camquin.
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Unfortunately, analysing the problem is a lot easier than synthesizing a solution.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

The Championship clubs have one vision


Very sporting of you to say that CQ, at the start of a month when your club is one of 2 Champ teams with no competitive rugby scheduled...
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I visited a Rugby club at the beginning of last season and spoke to a recently retired , high ranking RFU official. I asked him directly did he think that Ealing Trailfinders would ever be promoted to the Premiership . He answered very quickly with a resounding "NO". 
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

I visited a Rugby club at the beginning of last season and spoke to a recently retired , high ranking RFU official. I asked him directly did he think that Ealing Trailfinders would ever be promoted to the Premiership . He answered very quickly with a resounding "NO". 




It has always been a fix.
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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

I visited a Rugby club at the beginning of last season and spoke to a recently retired , high ranking RFU official. I asked him directly did he think that Ealing Trailfinders would ever be promoted to the Premiership . He answered very quickly with a resounding "NO". 

It would be interested to hear if he thought any club other than the three "brands" who don't currently exist as professional clubs would ever be promoted to the Premiership.
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Originally posted by JZSmith JZSmith wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

I visited a Rugby club at the beginning of last season and spoke to a recently retired , high ranking RFU official. I asked him directly did he think that Ealing Trailfinders would ever be promoted to the Premiership . He answered very quickly with a resounding "NO". 

It would be interested to hear if he thought any club other than the three "brands" who don't currently exist as professional clubs would ever be promoted to the Premiership.
I think we know the answer to that
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[QUOTE=No 7]I visited a Rugby club at the beginning of last season and spoke to a recently retired , high ranking RFU official. I asked him directly did he think that Ealing Trailfinders would ever be promoted to the Premiership . He answered very quickly with a resounding "NO". 

And I assume that your next question was 'why not?'. What was his answer to that, as that would likely be more informative?
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The new Football regulator is restricted to Association Football.
But only because Football is defined as Association Football.
But it would take a single amendment, adding the words "and Rugby Union" on line 15, and the remit would be extended.




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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

The new Football regulator is restricted to Association Football.
But only because Football is defined as Association Football.
But it would take a single amendment, adding the words "and Rugby Union" on line 15, and the remit would be extended.






Not sure more blazers is the answer...
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The Football regulator is being created because the FA and the Leagues are not seen to be representing the interests of the clubs or their members and are seen as being in the pockets of a few major owners.

It is also specifically tasked to look at parachute payments and restrictive ground conditions.

The regulator will also have the power to investigate potential owners to ensure events like Worcester do not occur - because they occur much more often in Soccer.

Why would we not want someone fill that role in Rugby.
I agree it should be the RFU, just as it should be the FA in their code.




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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

I visited a Rugby club at the beginning of last season and spoke to a recently retired , high ranking RFU official. I asked him directly did he think that Ealing Trailfinders would ever be promoted to the Premiership . He answered very quickly with a resounding "NO". 




Surprise, surprise. 

Honestly, the only way they will is either shell out millions on a stadium that isn't needed for the size or, more realistically, just go to court and not be fobbed off again.  
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

The Football regulator is being created because the FA and the Leagues are not seen to be representing the interests of the clubs or their members and are seen as being in the pockets of a few major owners.

It is also specifically tasked to look at parachute payments and restrictive ground conditions.

The regulator will also have the power to investigate potential owners to ensure events like Worcester do not occur - because they occur much more often in Soccer.

Why would we not want someone fill that role in Rugby.
I agree it should be the RFU, just as it should be the FA in their code.


On paper it seems a sensible idea but then I think of all the other Government regulators that are totally ineffective so I'm unconvinced that a football regulator will make any significant difference. I can't see that being any different in rugby.

Remember the outcry when Sweeney appeared before the Parliamentary Select Committee almost two years ago and all the waffle that followed? How much has changed? 

The new-ish Government has more than enough to deal with without spending time trying to sort out sport.
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https://www.drfc.co.uk/simon-gillham-obe-appointed-chair-of-tier-2-board/

Hope this is the correct place for this


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Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:

https://www.drfc.co.uk/simon-gillham-obe-appointed-chair-of-tier-2-board/

Hope this is the correct place for this

I take this as a positive sign. Simon has a long history of supporting second tier rugby, having been heavily involved in the Pro D2 as it has grown over the past decade or so.
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Gillham spoke well when he was on the Ruck podcast in early Oct. He was marketed as Brive’s President but now we learn that he left this role in June - so may have been setting out his stall?
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He does say some good things.
A lot of which point up everything wrong in the English game.
Of course he will not have any power to make any changes.
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Does anyone think the second tier will carry on exactly as now, with no change? I don’t - to me seems almost certain there’ll be change of some sort, so having this guy at helm should be a positive. Of course he won’t be given huge autonomy, but you’d expect him to wield significant influence…
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0k42wqs

This, mainly the bits from Tier Two Board member Nick Johnston, addresses many of the concerns surrounding the selection process and potential make-up of the league.
I'd recommend a listen.
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