Promotion
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Topic: Promotion
Posted By: Bluesman11
Subject: Promotion
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 14:38
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Front page article in the Rugby Paper tomorrow is Ealing threatening to sue the RFU if Newcastle are granted promotion, which is widely believed to be the case with Saracens still relegated. Just think this is really poor timing and form from Ealing. I think any reasonable observer can say Newcastle had the league sewn up. They weren’t losing any matches other than maybe against Ealing and they would’ve needed to lose at least another 2 matches even if they lost that. Ben Ward also claimed Ealing had a game in hand against YC. Well Newcastle still had to play them too? Given all of the financial difficulties clubs are about to face I just think some common sense can be applied here and threatening to sue the RFU at a time when clubs up and down the country will needs some financial support is an incredibly selfish approach to the situation. ------------- Championship Prediction League Winner 11/12 |
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 14:52
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I did say the lawyers would come out but I didn't expect it this early, nor from Ealing of all clubs. Plus I think they don't really have much of a case compared to some other clubs in other league who would rightfully feel hard done by if that occurred. Plus you know that any clubs who have wealthy backers (I don't know much about Ealing so won't count them in this), will dip into their personal pockets to fund these lawsuits which will lead to some morally unjust decisions being made. The RFU have a tough enough job as it is.
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Posted By: oneagainstthehead
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 15:51
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Very surprised by this move, if it’s true. Surely even the most one-eyed optimist at Ealing doesn’t honestly believe Newcastle can be caught. Could it be a backdoor attempt to keep Saracens in the Premiership by preventing any promotion from the Championship? Newcastle could have more difficulty retaining their strength in depth during a second Championship season sans parachute payment, possibly making them more vulnerable. Notwithstanding, it’s not a good look. ------------- Speak softly, but carry a big stick. |
Posted By: Redted
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 16:35
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Very disappointing if true. From what I'm reading in the papers a number of premiership clubs may go bust, possibly championship sides as well, so rugby could be in line for a big shake up.
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Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 16:44
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If true, disgraceful behaviour by Ealing. If false, equally disgraceful behaviour by TRP.
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Posted By: Shamrose
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 17:18
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Everyone seems to be very quick to judge but if true i suspect it is Ealing putting the RFU on notice it needs to follow procedures and be transparent rather than doing whatever it feels like with no accountability as it did with YC, the recent cuts in funding and their treatment of the Rams. Given their past form the RFU will be looking to exploit the current situation rather than assist so do not expect them to come riding to the aid of anything below the premiership Why doesn't the RFU management follow other business leaders and take 50% paycuts to assist our game or to them their business which they have been dragging into loss making for years? |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 21:22
Note, the "Game in hand" statement refers to the fact that the Ealing vs. Leeds match was cancelled in round 15, while Newcastle played their match in round 15. I think there was a virtually nil chance of anyone catching Newcastle, but it was closer than the 18 point margin looks. Ealing had 18 wins, 2 losses and a draw in all competitions - a pretty tidy season.
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Bluesman11 wrote:Posted By: Toulouse
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 08:22
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There are some good suggestions as to what to do with relegations and promotions..........but unfortunately you are all wasting your grey cells....!!! the RFU will decide what will happen so we will just have to wait and see what a total and utter clusterf%ck they will make of it....... Just look at the Leeds affair last season, the Saracens affair and the Championship mess..... Leeds to be promoted to the Premiership( so many Yorkshiremen in the RFU) Saracens to remain in the Premiership.... Caldy relagated to NW 5 Richmond deducted 105 points....just for having the barefaced audacity to question the RFU over the Leeds debacle!!!! Who knows what the Really Fu%%in Useless will do... Sorry for the rant but the pubs closed and I have had a conversation with the wife.....6 minutes was enough!!!!!!
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Posted By: Toulouse
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 08:31
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Rant No. 2...... We all love the game of Rugby.....we all want our teams to do well......promotion and glory are so important to so many........ But look at the bigger picture.......over the next 4-5 weeks thousands of people could die in the UK, families devistated by the loss of life, communities wrecked by unemployment. Just look at what is happening in Italy and Spain.........We all love Rugby, the game will still be there in months to come whilst many people will not. If lawsuits proliferate it will only line the pockets of dispicable lawyers........ Into the second day of Prohibition.....looking for a Speakeasy
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 09:12
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I favour a pre-season playoff between Four clubs - Sarries, Falcons, Ealing & Pirates or Cov and whichever team comes out top at the end of it I would then promote Falcons anyway. I would also give the TV money from broadcasting all the matches which should be huge to the other Championship clubs. Stay safe & lonely lads & lasses - my outdoor Jersey Royals & Asparagus are great this year. ------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 17:52
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I just wonder what the stance would be if by some miracle Ealing Trailfinders were one point ahead of the Newcastle Falcons when the season was shut down . I have no idea what Ealing Trailfinders are going to do and do not believe for a second that they would be successful but someone needs to stand up against the RFU. Certain clubs are resigned to the Championship and have no ambition ( and I understand why and just how difficult it is ) I think that Ealing Trailfinders chance of ever making the Premiership is behind them . The gap is wider than ever. I am extremely proud of my club and what they achieved and we have been blessed with a financial backer like no other. Twenty years of investment into the team and the facilities . I think that if they take the RFU to task over their running and administration of leagues it is well deserved and someone really needs to do it. ------------- Ambition should be made of sterner stuff. |
Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 18:55
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I would suggest Ealing's potential legal action against the RFU would be completely pointless and a waste of good money. Regardless NF have proved to be by far the best team in the Championship. There are no winners in this current awful situation. ------------- Run with it |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 19:47
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The phrase 'strongly-worded statement' doesn't quite do this justice... https://www.newcastlefalcons.co.uk/news/story/falcons-express-disappointment-at-ealing-comments" rel="nofollow - https://www.newcastlefalcons.co.uk/news/story/falcons-express-disappointment-at-ealing-comments
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 20:06
Basically "if you sue, we'll sue."
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Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 21:06
| I have no allegiance to the Falcons or Dean Richards but I wholeheartedly endorse this message. |
Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 21:08
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Dean Richards " “Anyone with any sense of reason or fairness"  ------------- Ambition should be made of sterner stuff. |
Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 22:08
------------- "What I need is a strong drink and a peer group" |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 23:40
Still the bully-boy he was on the Hinckley and Lutterworth beats 30-odd years ago I'd imagine. Wouldn't pish on him... ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: 373
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2020 at 07:42
| The Rugby Paper really is a horrible rag on par with The Sun. |
Posted By: maire23
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 00:53
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I put a few Falcons fans right on Facebook when they were boasting they’ve battered every single team, every single game. I pointed out that in fact they haven’t and the points difference in fact has been as low as 4 points. Yes they’ve had a good season but some of their fans are breathtakingly short sighted when it comes to some of their shortcomings. Some of them appeared not to even know who Ealing were and confidently claimed they had no stable backing....
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Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 08:54
| The best result of the season for LS, was no doubt the 17-14 loss to Falcons opening day of the season. |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 15:18
You mean you gave your opinion on Facebook don't you?
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Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 09:45
------------- "What I need is a strong drink and a peer group" |
Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 11:31
No different I suspect to most sponsors of most teams. ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 11:33
Unsure about the Trailfinders business, but Ealing have said they're not paying anyone any less than was promised. Also just announced two new academy staff for next year. So looks like more investment going into the club, rather than money being taken out.
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 11:34
Apart from the fact it is 1 sponsorship source so must make it more susceptible than clubs who have a number of smaller sponsors - particularly when their business is going to take a huge hit for a long period. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: maire23
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2020 at 01:37
| Given that the bloke is worth 400 million (allegedly- I was reading an interview with him online- and that was last year) I don’t think he’s going to go bust overnight. Granted some travel agencies have gone bust because they put all their eggs in one basket, something Trailfinders to be fair don’t appear to have done. From what I’ve read he’s very shrewd with his finances so even if the business model takes a hit his personal fortune should see him and Ealing through. |
Posted By: Fat Albert
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2020 at 12:39
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Ampthill DOR Mark Lavery commented on Ealing's position during an interview on Sky Sports News, being as diplomatic as I can be he wasn't very supportive https://www.ampthillrufc.com/dor-on-sky-sports-news/" rel="nofollow - Linky
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Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2020 at 19:25
Hmm, might the COVID-19 pandemic knock a hole in Mike Gooley's business model for the Trailfinders business? And if so, wouldn't that have an impact on Ealing's finances?
It is going to knock a hole in everyones pocket and every business. I think other clubs will suffer financially more than Ealing Trailfinders. ------------- Ambition should be made of sterner stuff. |
maire23 wrote:Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2020 at 21:05
| Interesting line on promotion today, albeit from another sport: the FA announced today that all lower-league (non-league) football was done for the season, and that all records would be wiped. The newly-launched Jersey Bulls team had won 27/27 in the Combined Counties League and mathematically secured promotion earlier this month, but now seemingly won't go up unless there is a restructuring or some special case made... |
Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2020 at 22:22
That seems pretty tough on a team that had actually secured promotion.
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Posted By: Member728
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2020 at 12:31
not really if the relegation issue in the division above is not decided
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2020 at 16:54
That should be the logical position the RFU should take. Results wiped except in the case of promotion/relegation between leagues where the positions are already guaranteed. For example in N3LSE, Guildford are mathematically relegated and North Walsham in L1N are mathematically champions so the RFU should just swap them over.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2020 at 20:24
| So by the above 'logic' Saracens, altho' mathematically relegated, wouldn't be replaced by Newcastle due to the latter not having had the chance to seal the deal...? |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2020 at 21:15
I think the only exception to that would be any existing sanctions by the RFU.
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Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2020 at 07:07
Ealing Trailfinders have dozens of smaller business sponsors . When you come down to Ealing take a look at all of the advertising boards that surround the entire pitch. Other parts of the club, the amateurs the Youth and Mini`s all have sponsors . They have hidden sponsors who not advertise but give generously to the club. The fact is you a wrong and not the first time when it comes to Ealing Trailfinders ------------- Ambition should be made of sterner stuff. |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2020 at 10:53
Deliberately, or otherwise, you know exactly what I mean, but I will spell it out for you. A team with 20 sponsors putting in £50k each is likely to be more sustainable than 1 sponsor putting in £1m - just ask Old Elthamians, Birmingham & Solihull etc ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2020 at 14:16
Saracens chose to be relegated rather than open their books therefore if there is no promotion/relegation this season that decision should be carried over until the end of next season. Ensuring no points are to be played for in all Premiership games involving Saracens until then would prevent them from Lovelying the league further.
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2020 at 17:50
You are correct Saracens chose to be relegated so should be. If they don't promote Newcastle then next season there should be 11 in the Premiership and 13 in the Championship. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2020 at 14:34
For lovelying read c-o-r-r-u-p-t-i-n-g!
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Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 13:29
What you do not seem to grasp when comparing Ealing Trailfinders to Old Elthamians and Birmingham and Solihull is that Mike Gooley is more than just a sponsor he owns Trailfinders Sports Club outright, unencumbered. The site has several income streams he has been developing the site and income over twenty years. TWENTY YEARS ! The caps were deliberate. On top of that the pro team have dozens of smaller sponsors.
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 13:59
In that case, I am sure you will be ok. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 14:10
| When you go to Ealing, i agree it's clear to see that the whole project is a long term investment and not just money going into an empty pit, the club is backed by a strong amateur section and a good groundsharing agreement with Broncos. The club is probably based upon some of the strongest foundations you can find in English rugby right now. |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 15:10
| Which sadly isn't saying much. |
Posted By: Dan Gleebles
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 17:39
I enjoy my visits to Ealing, usually not the results though.
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Posted By: isleonian
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 17:47
| c.f. Exeter |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 18:40
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