24/25 Week 2
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Topic: 24/25 Week 2
Posted By: FHLH
Subject: 24/25 Week 2
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2024 at 14:44
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Friday 8th November Harlequins v Ealing Sale v Caldy Bedford v Ampthill Saturday 9th November Bath v Bristol Exeter v Hartpury Gloucester v Cornish Pirates Leicester v Coventry Northampton v Nottingham Saracens v London Scottish Sunday 10th November Newcastle v Doncaster Following last weekend's results, I can't see any surprises other than Bath v Bristol giving an indication of what strength the Premiership squads can deliver an International weekend - or whether, like the French, the league could function through the Six Nations. Bedford v Ampthill should deliver a packed Goldington Road with Bedfordshire rugby's local derby.
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Posted By: Se7en
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2024 at 15:27
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I'm going to The Stoop on Friday night to watch Quins v Ealing. Hoping it will be a competitive match, and Ealing may cause an upset I think. Quins were run fairly close by Scottish at The RAG last weekend so you never know, although that was largely a 3rd string Quins side in reality, and they'll certainly not want to lose on home soil. With Marler retiring from international duty, will he feature...or prefer the week off! Hoping the remainder of the Champ sides can give a good account of themselves, maybe a famous win for Cov is on the cards, you never know.
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2024 at 15:45
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Sunday 10th November Newcastle v Doncaster
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2024 at 15:56
Promotion playoff preview?
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KnightsBoy wrote:Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2024 at 16:19
Doubtful
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Posted By: *Stalwart
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2024 at 17:18
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Exeter, desperate for a win, fielded a very strong side against Pirates. Hopefully Gloucester will field more of a development side and we won't take another fearful hiding. Going to enjoy going to Kingsholm whatever, though - always wanted to go there, so it'll be lovely to see The Pirates take to that iconic field. ------------- *Stalwart |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2024 at 20:44
Updated - thank you ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2024 at 15:04
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Leicester Tigers team v Coventry . 15 George Pearson [1] 14 Malelili Satala [1] 13 Will Wand [5] 12 Dan Kelly [85] 11 Jack Kinder [1] 10 Tom Threlfall [1] 9 Tom Whiteley [32] 1 James Whitcombe [52] 2 Archie Vanes [15] 3 Tim Hoyt [3] 4 Côme Joussain [6] 5 Tom Manz [9] 6 Matt Rogerson [19] 7 Samuel Williams [1] 8 Kyle Hatherell [23] REPLACEMENTS 16 Charlie Clare [101] 17 Archie van der Flier [2] 18 Henry Mountford [1] 19 Lewis Chessum [10] 20 Harry Beddall * 21 Charlie Bemand [1] 22 Solomone Kata [21] 23 Charlie Myall [2] A great opportunity for developing some talented young players |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2024 at 16:06
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Ealing Trailfinders to face Harlequins: Strong squad. Would have liked Zok or Jordy in at the back row.
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2024 at 16:08
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Quins team: 1. Wyn Jones (3) 2. Sam Riley (55) 3. Will Hobson (12) 4. Joe Launchbury (26) 5. George Hammond (67) 6. Will Trenholm (14) 7. Tom Lawday (C) (83) 8. Archie White (70) 9. Lucas Friday (1) 10. Jamie Benson (9) 11. Nick David(10) 12. Bryn Bradley (11) 13. Will Joseph (15) 14. Cameron Anderson (9) 15. Leigh Halfpenny (4) Impact Players 16. Nathan Jibulu (20) 17. Tom Osborne (8) 18. Simon Kerrod (107) 19. Harry Browne (3) 20. Lucas Schmid (1) 21. Jake Murray (8) 22. Sean Kerr (2) 23. Hayden Hyde (11) ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2024 at 16:39
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That looks like 2 fun teams. Should be a good one!
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Posted By: Nat1
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2024 at 20:49
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Friday 8th November HT Harlequins 21 v 19 Ealing
Sale 28 v 0 Caldy Bedford 14 v 6 Ampthill |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2024 at 21:59
| Harlequins 38 (BP) - Ealing 33 (BP) - FT - Ealing gave a good account of themselves, and were only really undone by 3 yellow cards. Great line outs all night, and scored a cracker at the end to get the LBP |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2024 at 22:00
| Harlequins 38 (BP) - Ealing 33 (BP) - FT - Ealing gave a good account of themselves, and were only really undone by 3 yellow cards. Great line outs all night, and scored a cracker at the end to get the LBP |
Posted By: Nat1
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2024 at 22:43
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Friday 8th November Harlequins 38 v 33 Ealing (5-2) Well done Ealing, kept in the fight all night and back line looked slick. Sale 40 v 7 Caldy (5-0) Bit of a hiding for Caldy, managing just a penalty try. The wait goes on for a win this season Bedford 26 v 6 Ampthill (5-0) Efficient job done for The Blues, Mob missing their Saracens DRs and have now scored only 6 points in last 2 games. |
Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 07:39
| Ampthill made it difficult for Blues, as they tried to disrupt and work hard. Attendance was over 3,800. |
Posted By: Bigbluepip
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 11:41
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A good game at GR last night, Ampthill were worth more than their 6 points, turned us over on multiple occasions, but our defence was on point and we kept them out. A couple of class running tries and a couple from driving mauls won us the game. A great atmosphere in the ground and the marquee afterwards, the music was top notch and huge singalongs ensued, helped by the beer festival 😁 ------------- I want you all to line up in a circle and pair up in three's alphabetically by height. |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 15:20
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Early strike from Will Wand (what a shock) puts Tigers ahead. Lei 5-0 Cov ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 15:25
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Hinkley for Cov, and con for Matthews Lei 5-7 Cov 14 mins (Edit for mistype. Damn these awful glasses!).
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 15:34
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Tries from Poole, Hitchprong and Opoku put Cov 26-5 up. Matthews with two cons. BP secured. 22 mins ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 15:46
Cov represent!
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Posted By: Geoff DC
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 15:47
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HT:- Gloucester 12 Pirates 7 |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 15:52
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HT Lei 5-26 Cov 1T-4T ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 16:06
Come on Cov
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Posted By: Trailfinder
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 16:10
| Nice one Cov, big second half 💪🏻 |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 16:22
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Lei 12-26 Cov 54 mins 2T-4T ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Geoff DC
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 16:31
| Now Gloucester 26 Pirates 21 |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 16:39
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Leic 12-33 Cov 67 mins 2T-5T ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Geoff DC
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 16:47
| FT: Gloucester 36 Pirates 28 |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 16:49
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Lei 19-33 Cov 3T-5T ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Trailfinder
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 16:53
Awesome result
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 16:53
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Lei 19-33 Cov FT 0-5 ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 17:02
Well done Cov ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: Baggins
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 17:13
3 games? Didn't Ealing nil them too. At least they kept the score dignified this time out ------------- Propping up the board |
Posted By: Nat1
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 17:57
You're quite right, they were hammered by Ealing in the last Champ game before the Prem Cup started. 6 points across 3 games
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Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 18:29
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There will be dancing in the streets of Coventry tonight. Ok, Leicester may have used this as an opportunity to. blood a few academy players, but the score in the record books is what people will look back on and it's a long time since Coventry bas seen one like that against those local rivals.
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 18:52
Congrats to Cov.
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Posted By: Nat1
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 19:07
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FT Saracens 99 v 27 Scottish. Hadfield with 6 tries for Sarries! Different class, that's some beating the Exiles have taken there, but credit to them getting a try BP at the death. FT Saints 31 v 29 Nottingham. Archers had been 26-5 up at HT. They'll feel that could have been a famous win that's got away from them.
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Posted By: *Stalwart
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2024 at 21:12
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Some very creditable performances from the Champ clubs today. Pirates were well in the game at Kingsholm, scored four tries and Glos took away the losing BP with the final kick of the game. ------------- *Stalwart |
Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2024 at 01:01
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Bath 78 - 19 Bristol Also shows that it isn’t just Championship Clubs that get a hiding. Bath appeared to go strong with this one and Bristol used younger players.
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2024 at 08:52
The futiliy of this competition. No rules to speak of. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: seagoon
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2024 at 09:27
2nd half was 12-7 to Sale ..... hardly constitutes a hiding ------------- Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana |
Posted By: Nat1
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2024 at 10:15
If only rugby matches consisted of 2nd halves alone  Sale fielded a 2nd/3rd string side, Caldy out of their depth and now haven't won a competetive fixture in 6 months. I think they may be heading back to the National Leagues in due course if that trend continues into 2025.
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Posted By: Elijah Cadman
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2024 at 11:29
Not in any way wishing to defend Caldy or challenge what you've written here. Sale in fact had first choice 9 and two others from 1st team plus first team squad members playing. Caldy did not make it easy for Sale and were rightly rewarded with PT and a YC against Sale.
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Posted By: seagoon
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2024 at 13:11
Does that 6 months include the 4 months off-season? FFS! ------------- Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2024 at 16:28
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Newcastle 28 Donny 0 ht Newcastle 28 Donny 14 @ 61mins
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2024 at 16:33
| Newcastle 31 Donny 14 |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2024 at 16:34
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2024 at 16:39
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Newcastle 31 Donny 28 ft Great second half from the knights, showing great fight on the road
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2024 at 17:26
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Had a chance for the draw, declined the kick, and we spent 5 minutes camped on their line, they defended well, we attacked well but in the end the last call went against us. The falcons supporters said we deserved to win but alas no. Onwards and upwards ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: Trailfinder
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2024 at 17:32
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Sounds like a cracking second half. Of the 8 Prem vs Champ matches, 3 were within a converted try and 1 win. Not including Pirates conceding late on to lose by 8. Considering all the Prem teams were at home, I think that’s a pretty decent showing by the Champ.
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 09:09
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Is 'Talking Rugby' just a spoof site now (or have I woken up in an alternative space today? https://www.talkingrugbyunion.co.uk/premiership-rugby-cup-round-2-review-part-2/40876.htm" rel="nofollow - https://www.talkingrugbyunion.co.uk/premiership-rugby-cup-round-2-review-part-2/40876.htm I draw your attention to the Leic vs Cov report in particular, but it doesn't end with that one. " At Mattioli Woods Welford Road Stadium, Leicester Tigers narrowly defeated Coventry Rugby in an intense, high-scoring encounter. Both teams displayed exceptional offensive strategies, with Leicester taking a slight edge thanks to their experience in handling high-pressure situations. Leicester’s forwards provided a solid platform, while their backs capitalized on Coventry’s defensive lapses. Coventry remained competitive, pushing Leicester until the final whistle, but Leicester’s composure and precise execution in crucial moments earned them the victory. This close match showcased both teams' resilience and attacking potential:" WTF? ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Trailfinder
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 09:44
| Reads like it was written by AI |
Posted By: ChrisB
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 10:18
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The "review" part 1 was just as bad and Trailfinder's comment is accurate I think. TRU has never been a friend of the Champ, preferring to concentrate on the lower leagues and the universities. They are entitled to their views of course. ------------- ChrisB |
Posted By: *Stalwart
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 10:36
It might be futile, but it's generating a lot of much needed income. A sell out at The Mennaye for the Exeter game, and I'm sure it'll be the same when Gloucester come to Penzance. On the field it gives experience to players in Prem squads who don't get much game time (unless it's Exeter) and for Champ players they get to go to places like Kingsholm and experience big crowds in iconic stadia. ------------- *Stalwart |
Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 10:53
Exactly, how I would have loved to have played at Welford Road in my playing days, this competition does not replace the old John Player Cup format, where giant killers get a shot at the big boys, but it is an improvement on nothing at all. People just don't get it, in this world of instant result and "what's in it for me" attitude, I am embarrassed to go onto the Tigers forums just now as those that like to bask in the reflective glory of being behind a winning team are demanding we put out more first team players to use the games as purely gap fillers in their season. If this game is to survive(and each week I am getting more and more doubtful) as a pro sport, then this initiative is a beginning, not an answer, but a start in making the game more inclusive.
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Posted By: JZSmith
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 11:19
More like it was written by Stephen Jones who has history of writing "match reports" of games which haven't yet taken place!
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Posted By: Trailfinder
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 11:25
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I think the Prem cup has been quite positive and an improvement on last year. Is it perfect? No far from it, not least the appalling treatment of Cambridge and Chinnor. But for all the reasons Stalward just described, this is a big deal for the Champ players (and fans) who finally get their chance on a bigger stage. Plus there is a TV deal! Although the scheduling clashes with the Ireland vs NZ game on Friday night and the England game last Sat are nonsensical. Some of the results have highlighted though the disjointed nature of the DR system. Swapping players in and out depending on the competition does nothing for the integrity of the competitions. Season long loans would be far preferable imo. Re Bristol, see they had a game against an Australian XV the day before?! That is fairly contemptuous I think.
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Posted By: Trailfinder
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 11:29
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 12:58
There's no doubt in my mind that season long loans are better for the club and the player. For example, I can't guarantee that George Furbank benefited from his 2 years at Cambridge but it allowed the club and player to plan with some certainty. What these season long loans have highlighted is that players not quite in the Premiership match day squads can continue with meaningful game time and instills the team ethic. Would be interesting to know what GF thinks! (His TRP interview didn't cover that aspect other than he played!) There must be many players in the Premiership over the last decade who have benefitted from season long loans. I'm sure there's data somewhere on who went where and for how long but it's outwith my knowledge.  ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 15:11
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I thought it implicit that I was referring to the futility of the competition from a Championship (ALL clubs) point of view, but evidently not. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 15:43
Extraordinary - and I absolutely think it's been written by AI (as suggested earlier by Trailfinder)
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 17:22
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That would pre-suppose some level of intelligence. Certainly none of that patricular commodity is on display here. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 18:41
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Using Gemini and the prompt ""Can you write a 200 word summary of a rugby match between Coventry and Leicester Tigers?" I received the below, accurate summary. Coventry Rugby secured a historic victory over Leicester Tigers in the Premiership Rugby Cup, ending a 32-year drought at Welford Road. The visitors dominated the first half, scoring four tries to establish a 26-5 lead. Leicester fought back in the second half, with replacement prop Archie van der Flier crossing the line, but Coventry's Senitiki Nayalo sealed the win with a crucial try. The final score was 33-19, marking a memorable day for Coventry and their passionate supporters. |
Posted By: Trailfinder
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 18:51
That’s actually quite good!
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 19:07
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The death of the English language is nigh. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Guinness John
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 22:22
Maybe play the second half first   ------------- Bedford Blues Supporter of the Year 2010 - 2011 |
Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2024 at 07:35
If only we could have, I have to say even though the 1st half appeared one way traffic, it most definitely wasn’t, some of the defensive hits by the Falcons in that first half were impressive, we worked very hard and looked like we would score on a few occasions only to be undone by their solid defence. Looking forward to the return fixture. ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: John Butler42
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2024 at 10:12
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Cov's first win at Welford Road since 1991/92, brilliant result, well done everyone, not least the Cov away support who drowned out the homesters. Northampton at the BPA on the 23rd looking as if it could be a sell out & ground record. Are you watching at the RFU. Some hope ! ------------- John Butler |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2024 at 12:33
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Which is excellent news for Cov, but even more galling fro Chinnor and Cambridge. Listening to the new head of Prem II, I was struck about how he was talking about France doing everything as the 30 sides, and thought -yes well everything here is done for the good of the ten and sod the rest. I also realised that there are going to be Premiership sides without matches in the kock out phase - as at most 8 are invilved. Chinnor and cambridge could have been offered home games those weeks against mystery Premiership sides - announced after the previous weeks matches, which while not as easy to sell, would have been something. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Nat1
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2024 at 17:21
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That would be a good idea, surely not too late to organise as that stage is still a few months down the line? Or if not, at least play some matches against Prem academies. Have Cambridge or Chinnor approached the Army, Navy, RAF for fixtures during those blank weeks, or Oxford or Cambridge University? Maybe one of the top BUCS sides also if free. I saw that Cambridge have a fixture against England U20s, why not see if Wales, Scotland or Ireland U20s fancy a match too. It takes some imagination, but where there's a will there's a way, especially as it would bring in some much needed £££ that both Cambridge and Chinnor have talked about so much in the last few months.
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2024 at 18:31
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I am sure hte committees have been working hard. But nothing else has been announced. Cambridge 1923s played matches against the services last season. And of course, it also plays the Blues. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2024 at 09:53
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Re Wales U20s. Nice idea but I expect a good number of those lads are playing for Exeter, Briz or Bath amongst others. |