24/25 / Week 6
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Topic: 24/25 / Week 6
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Subject: 24/25 / Week 6
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2025 at 12:46
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Friday Nottingham v Northampton Saturday Cornish Pirates v Hartpury RFC Doncaster v Caldy Bristol v Bath Coventry v Leicester Tigers Exeter Chiefs v Gloucester London Scottish v Ealing Trailfinders Harlequins v Saracens Sunday Sale v Newcastle
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2025 at 12:48
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Knights squad announcement for Caldy starting XV | 15, Maliq Holden. 14, Semesa Rokoduguni. 13, Zach Kerr. 12, Connor Edwards. 11, Aidan Cross. 10, Morgan Bunting. 9, Alex Dolly. 1, Logovi’I Mulipola. 2, George Roberts. 3, Joe Jones. 4, Ben Murphy (C). 5, Adam Hopkinson. 6, Morgan Strong. 7, Archie Smeaton. 8, Jasper McGuire. Replacements | 16, Ben Chapman. 17, Conor Davidson. 18, Lewis Thiede. 19,Taniela Ramasibana. 20, Cory Teague. 21, Fred Davies. 22, Ollie Fox . 23, Sam Wadsworth. Unavailable For Selection | Andrew Turner, Thom Smith, Russell Bennett, Will Parry, Arthur Green, George Wacokecoke, Harry Davey, Jordan Olowofela, Telusa Veainu, Josh Williams.
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2025 at 13:04
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Ealing Trailfinders to face London Scottish: Probably the strongest side that we could put out, so it looks like Ealing want to progress in the cup, even if that means some long away trips. Glad to see Tom Collins back in the squad after a long absence.
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2025 at 13:07
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London Scottish Team to Face Ealing - A changed side from last week, with six moves from the side that battled Saracens last weekend. The name that jumps out to me is Jonah Holmes, who I don't believe has actually turned out for them often this year so far, but finds time against his previous club. Also see a familiar name in Steven Kerrins.
Replacements
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2025 at 13:51
| Quite a Welsh looking Scottish team thanks to Harlequins kids. |
Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2025 at 19:26
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I hope Ealing recognise the threat of kicking the ball to Jonah Holmes in open field at the back. He is an exceptional player when he is on form. ------------- Ambition should be made of sterner stuff. |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2025 at 23:26
| Archers 33 Saints 66 FT |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 10:24
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Gerg. Re: your reference to possible ‘long away trips’ for Ealing in KO phase… since there are only 2 or 3 long trips, & Sale can’t qualify as a pool winner, does that mean you’re expecting a dress-rehearsal of the promotion play-off (that may never happen) against Newcastle? Or perhaps Exeter? And the use of the plural indicates optimism about a QF win?
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 15:05
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And... Cov have lost lock James Tyas just before kick-off, and replaced him with third-choice fly-half Theo Mannion. They normally make it to ten minutes in to lose a tight-five. You couldn't make it up. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Geoff DC
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 15:16
| HT in Cornwall: Pirates 29 Hartpury 0 |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 15:21
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Doncaster 24 Caldy 0 ht Try bp for Donny
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 15:47
| Scottish 8 (1T) - Ealing 21 (3T) - HT Ealing started slow, but have grown into the match. They could easily be a couple more tries up. Tom Collins responsible for stopping a massive Scottish break, and then returning the ball 20 yards to change the momentum. |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 16:04
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Doncaster 43 Caldy 0 on 69mins |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 16:19
| Doncaster 48 Caldy 0 ft |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 16:22
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Cov are taking a battering at 14-49 as might be expected against 600-plus Prem caps, but at least it's officially a capacity crowd at 5250. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 16:35
| Scottish 8 - Ealing 35 (BP) - 74' possible Scottish have not gotten out of their half in the second half. |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 17:38
| Scottish 15 (2T) - Ealing 35 (BP) - FT - Ealing into quarterfinals. |
Posted By: Se7en
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 17:54
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Well done Ealing, at least the Championship will have 1 club representing them in the knockout stages. When is the draw done for it? Surprised by the hiding that Cov took today. Leaking 10 tries at home is never a good look, albeit the tills will have been ringing loud for the Midlands derby. On the other hand, not surprised by Caldy taking another pasting and troubling neither the scoreboard today, nor their final group table total points of 0. It makes you wonder whether Cambridge or Chinnor might have been less limp and made a better fist of it. Maybe next year. Good luck to Ealing in the QF, I'm sure that the other Championship clubs will now be supporting you.
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 18:46
Bit disengenuos of you there, were you at castle park to see the game? I believe knights can qualify with a little help from Newcastle
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Se7en wrote:Posted By: fatbear
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 19:10
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My reading of the competition rules is that Doncaster are already out. Only the three best second placed teams go through, and Ealing ( 22 ), Gloucester ( 21 ), Leicester ( 20 ) and Bristol ( 20 ) have more points than Doncaster ( 18 ). A Sale win would put them through with either 22 or 23 points and eliminate Leicester. Newcastle are already through as the group winners and can't be overtaken. A Newcastle win puts Leicester through. If it is a draw Sale need to get the try bonus point to overtake Leicester. Bristol are out regardless of the result. All of the above assumes the tables on the BBC website are correct...........
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 19:28
Thanks for the info 😊
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Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 19:34
You don’t get caps for a club FFS. Appearances surely??
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Posted By: Se7en
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 19:41
https://www.premiershiprugby.com/competitions/premiership-rugby-cup/standings" rel="nofollow - https://www.premiershiprugby.com/competitions/premiership-rugby-cup/standings
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Posted By: Se7en
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 19:41
No Donny are out, only Ealing through. Not sure what was disengenuous about my post. I wasn't at the game but from what I hear Caldy were dominated both in attack and defence by all accounts. Men against boys, much as it was last week at Newcastle.
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 19:48
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<img src=" https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GiN2nsmWAAAxG6S?format=jpg&name=small%7b" rel="nofollow - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GiN2nsmWAAAxG6S?format=jpg&name=small "> ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: rugbyenthuser
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2025 at 21:00
Good post Se7en, see your bishop is still bashing Caldy , although this fetish is becoming some what tiresome. At the risk of repeating myself which game did you attend today ? Have Caldy blooded your nose in the past ? Is the key board warrior attack a way of rectifying this ? Perhaps we should all snipe at Ampthill who have a similar if not worse record in this competition than Caldy but we will not as it would be as petty as you are being. Caldy Exeter of the Championship P12 W3 / P11 W2 2nd from bottom what's your point ??? |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2025 at 08:42
Yes I would agree Caldy appear to have been dominated for most of the game, by a team which cost a little more to put together. I'm sure that the team that Caldy were promoted with didn't contain half the Sale academy/seconds again I'm sure big Eddie can enlighten me there. My point about your post is, Caldy are in the championship on merit, they don't have the financial backing (Caldy people correct me if I'm wrong) to to do this. I'm an advocate of promotion or relegation, if your top you go up, bottom your down.
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2025 at 08:44
Oh dear. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2025 at 08:47
Do tell; which 600 Prem-cap side did your Championship team beat today (edit: yesterday)? Genuinely interested.
------------- Our Club |
Posted By: seagoon
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2025 at 09:41
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Se7en , " I wasn't at the game but from what I hear Caldy were dominated both in attack and defence by all accounts " Do you attend any matches, where Championship clubs are involved? Or do you just hear all accounts? ------------- Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana |
Posted By: Bluesman11
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2025 at 10:37
They are a Rams fan, probably upset that they got nilled yesterday and they have yet again bottled promotion from Nat 1… ------------- Championship Prediction League Winner 11/12 |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2025 at 11:21
Nah, can't be. Has a genuine and focussed view on all things Champ... ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: seagoon
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2025 at 11:58
Genuine???  ------------- Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2025 at 17:40
In his mind he has. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2025 at 18:00
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Sale beat Newcastle 19-17 today with a last-play try. I've seen the QF draw reported on TwitteX as below, but it's not official, so don't go booking train tickets & hotels on the basis of this! Newcastle v Gloucester
Chiefs v Sale
Saints v Ealing
Bath v Quins
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Posted By: Trailfinder
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2025 at 18:53
Was really hoping for Newcastle vs Ealing !
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2025 at 19:14
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You did too well to get that. You just need to beat Saints and Quins ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2025 at 20:10
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The draw as above confirmed on PR website… SF draw pairs QF 1&4 together in one game, 2&3 in t’other… https://www.premiershiprugby.com/content/prem-cup-quarter-finals-confirmed" rel="nofollow - https://www.premiershiprugby.com/content/prem-cup-quarter-finals-confirmed
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2025 at 18:23
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Pirates following https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/czxkxnl9y59o" rel="nofollow - Star Trek and regenerating their injury hit squad ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: rugbyenthuser
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2025 at 18:31
“Dave” Cattle ? Have I missed something or is this the usual BBC accuracy 😂
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Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2025 at 21:37
Help us out here??
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2025 at 23:43
Dave played for Wales, according to this article… so he’s ahead of Gavin on that front. I wonder if they’re related?!
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2025 at 12:58
Pirates finished bottom of Pool E but Cattle blamed the exit on "restrictions in training" due to the Penzance-based club's 17-strong injury list and is prioritising his squad's health and fitness before they return to Championship action on 21 March against London Scottish. "We've got a massive injury list but we've got a bit of a stint now and hopefully we can regenerate some of those boys," said the former Wales scrum-half who shares coaching responsibilities with Alan Paver. "There were 23 boys available this week. When you're in that position you're limited to what you can do in training because we can't pick up another knock so you just have to do what you can do that's controllable. "We did have a plan in place but we've been tearing up our plan every week with the numbers we've had." ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: CaldyRaver
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2025 at 17:22
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I'd be interested to see which other championship club fielded 5 players (should have been 6, but one was taken ill on Friday) at the weekend who played in their mini's and junior sections....do the majority of these clubs even have those? I know Donny and Ampthill do (as do Cambridge, who aren't in this years competition). So, anyone care to say how many club products for Donny and Ampthill represented them on Saturday?
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2025 at 17:38
That's a great stat having players coming through like that.
Donny deffo had two in Adam Hopkinson and Lewis thiede
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2025 at 18:34
| Chinnor likewise have a mini and junior section but weren't in the Cup. |
Posted By: CaldyRaver
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2025 at 19:22
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I thought you would, but didn't know mate Caldy were also missing 3 players with lots of championship pedigree that were also M&J players On top of that, we have around 7/ 8 local lads, who have been with us for the best part of a decade, from our National 2 North days
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2025 at 22:12
I think you may be over-estimating the level of Trekky knowledge among several members of the RM congregation… including me.
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2025 at 00:12
The medical officer had the ability to fix injuries promptly. "Live long and prosper" was the welcome from Doctor Spock, the Vulcan medical officer aboard the Starship Enterprise - 1967 onwards. Now back to Rugby.  ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2025 at 06:52
| Ealing has a massive minis and juniors section. Probably 500 kids or thereabouts. Unfortunately, the good ones seem to always go to other clubs due to the academy system. Two played in the under 18 club championship last weekend. One for Sarries and the other for bath. |
Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2025 at 06:55
Thinking about this. Of course the best junior Ampthill players are in the Northampton DPP.
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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2025 at 09:36
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Your points are well made Caldy Raver. Sev7en has previously taken exception to Caldy's performance without perhaps fully understanding the extent of the disparity between the resources available to Caldy compared to other Premiership and Championship clubs. There is nothing like a bit of contentious debate (whether justifiable or not) to stimulate discussion on any forum so Sev7en's left field observations serve a purpose. As I am sure you are aware Caldy Raver, due to its resource footprint and its community roots the Caldy operating model is I suspect entirely different to most other clubs in levels 1 to 3. Caldy runs 3 senior teams plus age group sides all the way through minis to senior colts....these sides are the backbone of the club. As you said last weekend there were 5 mini and junior players in Caldy's match day squad (I think this became 6 when another 2nd xv player was called up late). A significant number of the rest of Caldy's match day squad are local/Merseyside/Cheshire players who have come to Caldy from other local/Merseyside/Cheshire rugby clubs in order to play at the highest standard they can. This local pathway is vitally important for both Caldy and the local community and it works. There are a significant number of players who have moved from local clubs at level's 5/6 & 7 to Caldy and have now played Championship level rugby either in league or Cup fixtures. Young full back Matt Kilcourse and centre Jacob Mitchell are two such examples moving from level 7 (I think) and level 5 clubs to Caldy. In Matt's case becoming an ever present starter at full back in his first season at Caldy. This pathway is normally initially either through Caldy's amazing 2nd xv which is unbeaten in an extraordinary run of 110 games over the last 5 or 6 years or through Caldy's 3rd xv which is the bridge for young former colts players to transition into adult rugby. Last weekend Caldy's 2nd xv just pipped Fylde's 2nd xv by 21 to 20 at the Woodlands to preserve their amazing record and the 3rd xv were on the wrong side of a narrow loss in a competitive and entertaining game against Ellesmere Port's 1st xv. Caldy train twice a week with 50 to 60 players involved in fully integrated sessions led by a very good coaching group headed up by former Premiership player and Wirral born and raised Matt Cairns. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that players who come to Caldy from other local clubs hugely benefit from the brilliant coaching set up at Caldy and improve significantly as individuals. So far this season 41 players have been involved in Caldy's Championship/Premiership Cup Squads and I am sure that Caldy DOR Gareth Davies and Head Coach Matt Cairns are as proud of this statistic as they are about this very small rugby club's status as a Championship club. As for those Sale Sharks players that turn out for Caldy, they are all good lads but I haven't ever seen a Caldy match day squad with more than 4 Sale Sharks' players involved, generally they number 2 or 3 and these players like the excellent Tristan Woodman and others before him are involved throughout the season and are Ravers through and through. I think everyone at Caldy and all the 1.500 - 2,000 supporters who regularly attend Paton Field are extremely proud of what Caldy's DOR Gareth Davies and all the coaching and support staff from 1st xv squad all the way down to Under 6 minis have built......... Caldy really is a Community Club and long may it continue!
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Posted By: Stalwart*
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2025 at 10:48
We have a thriving mini/junior/colts section at Pirates - it come under the banner of Penzance and Newlyn RFC. We also have a Pirates Amateurs team which is made up, almosst exclusively, of products of the mini/junior section. The most talented players produced by our youth section tend to get hoovered up by Exeter. Examples are Luke Cowan Dickie, Jack Nowell, Tom Hendrickson and several others. There are a few at the moment who are at Truro College and will go on to Chiefs academy. ------------- Pirate |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2025 at 13:38
This aspect of Level 2 and 3 clubs is completely forgotten by RFU and Premiership other than a place to harvest players ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |