Interference with players/disciplinary issues
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Topic: Interference with players/disciplinary issues
Posted By: Se7en
Subject: Interference with players/disciplinary issues
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2023 at 20:20
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I came across this disciplinary matter from the Ampthill v Cambridge game, has anyone else ever seen a ball boy interfere with play before, and get pushed over for their troubles? Bizarre really, but to be fair I can imagine the frustration that the Cambridge hooker felt. Certainly an unusual one! https://www.championshiprugby.co.uk/news/article/cambridge-disciplinary-202324?fbclid=IwAR08DvGY-GIRn6LH_HTLZytjPlyLgJR3vc-LGZCPU2ieCmVZ5ZtOfjajiUY" rel="nofollow - https://www.championshiprugby.co.uk/news/article/cambridge-disciplinary-202324?fbclid=IwAR08DvGY-GIRn6LH_HTLZytjPlyLgJR3vc-LGZCPU2ieCmVZ5ZtOfjajiUY Perhaps matches at this level should be supported with ball boys from both clubs taking part on match day, for more parity. It isn't something I've ever thought about before.
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2023 at 20:25
| Reminds me of that time when that Chelsea footballer manhandled and kicked at that Swansea ballboy. |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2023 at 21:00
Thinking that myself when I read it - I believe he was also banned ------------- RAID ON |
Robb wrote:Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2023 at 21:18
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Yes. Eden Hazard was banned for 3 games apparently. And that ball boy is now a multi millionaire.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2023 at 21:41
“To be fair” Mr 7, your conclusion about “frustration” when an adult has physically interacted with an 11-y-o as a result of losing his rag is “certainly an unusual one”. And your idea about introducing home & away ball-boys as a result of an isolated incident is equally “unusual”.
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Posted By: Se7en
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2023 at 23:58
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And very righteous of you too, islander. With regards to my suggestion of sharing ball boy duties between clubs at matches, I had hoped that this would be taken as the tongue in cheek idea that it was intended, given how ludicrous it is! Sadly not, it seems. Oh, and it's not 'Mr 7'. The name's Se7en...Mrs Se7en
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Posted By: carlos fandango
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 08:09
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It would be interesting to know if the ball boys had been instructed to do that. Either way, not on. |
Posted By: Greg
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 10:09
| For those of us who are uninformed, what happened? |
Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 10:31
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Penalty kicked to touch. Cambridge Hooker pushed ball boy over. Ball boy cried. Hooker banned.
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 10:49
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I've looked at this as a player and a father, in both cases I'm embarrassed ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 11:17
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Ideally the hooker's ire should have been focussed on the person, likely outside of the field of play, that told the kid to do it. However, in the heat of the moment... Not condoning any actions btw. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 12:48
And quite right too. The fact that someone thinks it is being righteous of a fellow poster to say that grown men shouldn't assault children I personally find quite incredible.
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Posted By: HookerPaul
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 21:02
| Not condoning Ben Brownlies actions here, we should expect mischievous behaviour and sometimes a degree of petulance from 11 year old boys, (traits common with a few hookers i used to know), but...ballboys/girls interfering with play is not within the spirit of the game. I see that Cambridge have sent the little imp a gift voucher. Isn't that rewarding bad behaviour? |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 22:10
I hope his Dad had a few words with him, not congratulatory ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 22:23
No, it's apologising for bad behaviour. The adult player who's been banned, and some of the (presumably) adult posters on here, need to face up to what's right and wrong, rather than making excuses...
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Posted By: HookerPaul
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 22:37
| Islander. Two wrongs don't make a right. The little boy was naughty, Ben Brownlie was wrong and quite rightly was punished. The little boy has had a reward. What will he learn from that? |
Posted By: Se7en
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 22:54
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Unless I have missed something, I haven't seen anyone making excuses for what the Cambridge hooker did or condoing his actions, moreover the majority of posters have actually considered the bigger picture and looked at the incident from both sides. The fact of the matter is that the whole saga could have been avoided had the ball boy just done what he was there to do in the first place, and nothing else. The previous poster who said that they had considered the matter both as a father and as a player, concluding that he felt embarrased in both instances, has hit the nail on the head I would say.
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 11:16
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For me you handle bad behaviour of an adult and an eleven year-old child differently. From what I gather the child was assaulted by the adult who has rightly been punished. Giving the child a voucher as compensation for the upset caused by the assault is fine as long as it is explained to him that his behaviour was also wrong. If the ball boy was an adult I would have a different opinion.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 12:07
Totally W-E - someone above said the 11-y-o had been 'naughty' - that's what kids of that age do, which of us wasn't naughty when we were 11? To view the behaviour of an adult who will be 30 in a couple of months through the same prism is ridiculous...
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Posted By: Thunderbird
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 05:26
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Some one should have word with whoever told the lad to do it in the first place. I can assure you all this is not uncommon. Not epidemic levels In my opinion u11 is just too young, trying to keep a game flowing when two of the ball boys decide to nip off for a burger or go to the toilet together with out telling any one. I in no way condone what the player did. He was rightly punished. The ball boy must have been told to do it , it not like it’s seen on TV Over my to many years in the technical area. I have seen. 1. The ball deliberately thrown on the wet floor. 2. Deliberately handled to prevent a quick throw in. 3. Swapped with a smooth ball at many off our line outs. 4. Only the opponents / home team ball collected. |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 10:58
Exactly my point the other day. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 13:10
We had a team in the Championship dipping the ball in a bucket on every line out of our throw  ------------- Ambition should be made of sterner stuff. |
Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 13:52
That's stupid.
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2023 at 14:57
You would have thought the match officials would have intervened ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2023 at 07:18
Wasn't that during Covid that they were doing things like that?
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Posted By: oneagainstthehead
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2023 at 07:51
It was a pre-Covid live-stream match at a coastal venue a long way from anywhere (AAAR!) - the officials put a stop to it as soon as it was reported to them.
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Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2023 at 08:26
It was pure coincidence that the need to disinfect the ball in a soapy liquid happened at evey Ealing lineout.  It was reported a stopped by the ref.------------- Ambition should be made of sterner stuff. |
Posted By: sedgley dave
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2023 at 23:08
| Clearly the Cambridge 2 is out of order, but I cannot believe the Ampthill club has not been severely sanctioned. A ball-boy would not do that unless he had been instructed, I suggest. |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2023 at 11:49
| Kids do sometimes do silly things without being told I find. |
Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2023 at 11:55
Yes I agree WEvans I find it hard to believe Ampthill would have instructed their ballboys to do that
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