NATIONAL 2 WEST 24/25
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Topic: NATIONAL 2 WEST 24/25
Posted By: WILD BOAR 1
Subject: NATIONAL 2 WEST 24/25
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2024 at 09:54
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If Chester are moved back North, do we now have this? Taunton Titans Cinderford Luctonians Clifton Old Reds Exeter Univ. Camborne Hinckley Loughborough S Redruth Bournville Hornets Devonport S Oxford Harlequins |
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Posted By: Fudgepacker
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2024 at 10:07
| With Hull Ionians surviving, I think N will again have one team too many as it needs to accommodate 3 teams with only 2 slots available (if you include Chester) so a N team will go West. That would mean that West has one too many and possibly send Oxford Harlequins to the East. Lymm, Chester and possibly Macclesfield could be in mix for a transfer. |
Posted By: SK 88
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2024 at 16:01
| How can it be anyone other than Chester? Macclesfield is further east by a fair amount that presumable adds on a fair amount of mileage? |
Posted By: Deva Delinquent
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2024 at 16:27
All depends on the mileage criteria they apply. We already know that between Chester and Lymm, Chester have less to travel, but that now needs to be applied to Chester and Macclesfield.
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SK 88 wrote:Posted By: SK 88
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2024 at 17:34
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With the way it works these days it could be quite a big shake up, Looking on the map it might be that moving Worthing, Havant, Ox Quins & Henley into the West, with Chester, Bournville, Hinckley & Loughborough into a Midlands & London division actually results in less overall mileage. There are now three trips to the deep south west with Redruth, Camborne & Devonport all at that level which really racks up the mileage. Without the trip to North Walsham you'd have Bury St Edmonds, Colchester & Canterbury as the *really* long trips from the north. Looking closer that could even see Sheffield drop into the south, which would be objectively hilarious to have the two Sheffield clubs be the closest National League clubs to each other but be in different leagues!
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Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2024 at 19:49
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Don’t know about objectively hilarious.Objectively stupid if you ask me. |
Posted By: WILD BOAR 1
Date Posted: 01 May 2024 at 08:44
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I think I'm going with this at the moment. Taunton Titans Cinderford Luctonians Clifton Old Reds Exeter Univ. Camborne Hinckley Loughborough S Redruth Bournville Hornets Devonport S Chester/Macclesfield
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Posted By: Redted
Date Posted: 01 May 2024 at 19:03
Agree except if the stated aim of reducing travel is actually followed through then Hinckley & Loughborough should go east and Oxford H. & Henley or Havant should go west.
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Posted By: WILD BOAR 1
Date Posted: 09 May 2024 at 22:23
| Sounds like it could be Macclesfield. |
Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 09 May 2024 at 23:38
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According to Billingham’s Facebook, they are saying that National 2 North makeup is as follows: Billingham Chester Fylde Harrogate Hull Hull Ionians Leeds Tykes Lymm Otley Preston Sheffield Sheffield Tigers Tynedale Wharfedale This might suggest Wild Boars assumption might be correct but I can only see details of the makeup of National 2 North. |
Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 10 May 2024 at 09:21
That's right. Macclesfield head West, into what looks like a strong Nat 2 West league. ------------- All Knwoing All Seeing |
Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 10 May 2024 at 11:34
| I have the make up of all leagues down to Level 6. PM me mobile number and i can forward via WhatsApp (refuses to be sent by email) |
Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 10 May 2024 at 12:11
| Brilliant. Thank you. |
Posted By: GordanoBloke
Date Posted: 10 May 2024 at 12:14
| PM sent, thanks |
Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 10 May 2024 at 13:08
| Surely it’s crazy to have Macclesfield in the West division, even if the mileage involved is less than for Chester and Lymm? The travel time to Macclesfield from the motorway network is much greater than for the other two (says an ex Cheshire resident). |
Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 10 May 2024 at 13:32
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NCA have now confirmed the league structure for next season as attached: http://www.ncarugby.com/announcements/rfu-confirm-league-structure-for-national-league-rugby-for-2024-25/" rel="nofollow - http://www.ncarugby.com/announcements/rfu-confirm-league-structure-for-national-league-rugby-for-2024-25/ |
Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 10 May 2024 at 17:09
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Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 10 May 2024 at 17:11
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Sorry the presentation isn’t so good. Did it from my I phone & the spreadsheet is fairly basic…….a bit like me 😂 Used Lymm Chester & Macclesfield & inserted distances to each Div 2 North & west ground for comparison. Haven’t had chance to analyse yet. |
Posted By: SK 88
Date Posted: 11 May 2024 at 16:52
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For Nat 2W excluding Macclesfield as a destination: Lymm: 2330 Macclesfield: 2274 Given Chester is the furthest South & West that surprises me, I guess being closer to the Midlands sides tipped the balance? Fair enough for the league split though on that basis.
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 11 May 2024 at 17:30
| I think it's fait to say North and West are both very strong leagues, who ever is promoted will have had a tough route. |
Posted By: Deva Delinquent
Date Posted: 12 May 2024 at 12:33
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I knew it was going to be a close call between Chester and Macclesfield going west. I'm pleased we're going back north, means I can get to more away games, and I suspect a few more players will be inclined to travel too. I feel for Macclesfield, but there's always going to be be someone that has to cop for going west until the league structures are next looked at. I guess you're never going to please everyone.
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 12 May 2024 at 12:58
| I know when Leicester Lions were moved into the old South league they were less than overjoyed, but they made the best of it and when going to the then new West league in got them used to the step up in both the rugby and the travelling. Setting out on a Friday night, overnight hotel in Taunton, then on to Cornwall will no doubt have added to the preparation for the next step up to Nat 1. I guess it's how you approach it mentally, see it as a great challenge rather than a pain and enjoy the rugby at new grounds. |
Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 13 May 2024 at 10:03
| I think taking out the Midlands as a regional league was a mistake. North to Midlands switch is fine South Midlands to East or West is preferable and minimises the travel for most clubs. The possible option then would be to Split Level 3 into North and South with North and Midlands going into Level 3 North and South East / South West into 3 South and the two level three clubs either being promoted into Championship or a play off for one place. Or am I being too logical which is not a word I would use in connection to the RFU. |
Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 13 May 2024 at 11:32
Nat 1 is superb as it is, I wouldn't change it, however if Premiership 2 does happen, there may be knock-ons down the pyramid if the franchises do get taken up.
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Posted By: WILD BOAR 1
Date Posted: 13 May 2024 at 11:52
| This is going to be a big debate next season and whilst I agree with TB that Nat.1 is superb I would change it to North & South. |
Posted By: Oldman1
Date Posted: 13 May 2024 at 13:28
| My understanding is that as part of the review of the latest league reorganisation due to take place soon the "expected" outcome is two leagues at level 3 (expected north and south) and 4 leagues at level 4 (north, south, east and west). My source is usually pretty reliable, time will tell. |
Posted By: Bigmalc
Date Posted: 13 May 2024 at 13:54
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I played for Macc back in the 60s and now live in Bristol so watch a few local game at Nat 2 level. The standard in Nat 2 W was very high this season and I expect things to stay at a similar level. Best of luck to all the sides but 600 + mile round trips don't make a lot of sense in terms of the environment, player welfare, cost and enjoyment. Macc won the league that my club Stockport are in and it's a big step up . It will be interesting to see how Dings get on in Nat 1. ------------- Malc |
Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 13 May 2024 at 15:02
Your source may be reliable but he s out of date. 2 Leagues at Level 3 is no longer on the table.
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Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 13 May 2024 at 15:15
| What’s the plan now Halliford? |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 13 May 2024 at 15:51
I like your optimism that there is a plan Rothman2!
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Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 13 May 2024 at 17:51
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Possibly a cunning plan. ------------- Cauliflower ear. |
Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 13 May 2024 at 21:52
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At the moment, no change. The idea of 2 Leagues at Level 3 was mooted when Level 2 was discussing dropping to 10, thus 3 being relegated. Now that Level 2 seems to be aiming at 14, Level 3 doesn’t need to split. There may be more on Level 4 at the NRL AGM next week but I’d be astonished if changes were made for next season. This won’t, of course, silence the conspiracy theorists!
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Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 13 May 2024 at 22:10
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Thanks Halliford. Look forward to resuming games with Esher next season. Whenever I think of Esher I think of two people: John Inverdale and one of the greatest players ever to wear our colours, Mike Schmid.
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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 14 May 2024 at 08:08
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I’m looking forward to meeting up with Roth again. Dare I say I was happy that you bested Leeds! John is busy as the Chair of NLR and a member of the RFU Council but I’m sure you’ll see him at your place or ours. Mike is concentrating on his school work now and also following his son, Lucas, who has played for England U18s and London Scottish while on Harlequins’ books. He has inherited his father’s propensity for running through brick walls!
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 14 May 2024 at 12:51
Or the realists!
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