Autumn Internationals 2024
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Subject: Autumn Internationals 2024
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2024 at 12:47
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cwylz933wvxo" rel="nofollow - Slade and Curry back for England but Mitchell out
Centre Henry Slade and flanker Tom Curry have recovered from injury to make England's 36-man squad for the autumn internationals, but first-choice scrum-half Alex Mitchell is out with a neck problem.
Slade had shoulder surgery after the summer tour to New Zealand and has not played for Exeter yet this season, while Sale's Curry made his return from a concussion lay-off in Friday's win over Newcastle.
Mitchell's absence means Ben Spencer, Jack van Poortvliet and Harry Randall are the three named scrum-halves.
Sale's George Ford will continue his rehabiltation from a torn quad muscle as part of the squad, with Marcus Smith and Fin Smith the other specialist stand-offs.
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England’s 36-player squad:
Forwards
Fin Baxter (Harlequins), Ollie Chessum (Leicester), Dan Cole (Leicester), Luke Cowan-Dickie (Sale), Chandler Cunningham-South (Harlequins), Ben Curry (Sale), Tom Curry (Sale), Theo Dan (Saracens), Trevor Davison (Northampton), Alex Dombrandt (Harlequins), Ben Earl (Saracens), Charlie Ewels (Bath), Ellis Genge (Bristol), Jamie George (Saracens) Nick Isiekwe (Saracens), Maro Itoje (Saracens), Joe Marler (Harlequins), George Martin (Leicester), Will Stuart (Bath), Sam Underhill (Bath).
Backs
Elliot Daly (Saracens), Immanuel Feyi-Waboso (Exeter), Tommy Freeman (Northampton), George Furbank (Northampton), Ollie Lawrence (Bath), Alex Lozowski (Saracens), Luke Northmore (Harlequins), Harry Randall (Bristol), Tom Roebuck (Sale), Henry Slade (Exeter), Ollie Sleightholme (Northampton), Fin Smith (Northampton), Marcus Smith (Harlequins), Ben Spencer (Bath), Freddie Steward (Leicester), Jack van Poortvliet (Leicester)
Rehabilitation: George Ford (Sale)
Not considered for selection: Alex Coles (Northampton), Joe Cokanasiga (Bath), Fraser Dingwall (Northampton), Alex Mitchell (Northampton), Will Muir (Bath), Max Ojomoh (Bath), Raffi Quirke (Sale), Bevan Rodd (Sale). |
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2024 at 13:44
England still has this attitude of the next match and little thought for the future and a world cup, rather a lot of deadwood in that squad, quite a few will not be around for the next world cup.
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2024 at 23:05
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cm24m29ey34o" rel="nofollow - Uncapped Thomas and Murray in Wales autumn squad
Uncapped pair Freddie Thomas and Blair Murray have been included in Wales' 35-man squad for the autumn series in November.
New Zealand-born Scarlets wing Murray qualifies for Wales through his mother.
Gloucester lock Thomas has been capped by England at under-18s and under-20s level but has switched allegiance as he qualifies through his Welsh grandparents.
Head coach Warren Gatland has also given a shock recall to 31-year-old Dragons scrum-half Rhodri Williams, more than 10 years after his last Wales cap.
Gareth Anscombe, Nicky Smith and Tomos Williams also return following international absences as Gatland looks to bring back experience.
Aaron Wainwright, one of only three players with 50 caps, is included despite not having played this season because of injury.
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Forwards: Nicky Smith, Gareth Thomas, Kemsley Mathias, Ryan Elias, Dewi Lake, Evan Lloyd, Henry Thomas, Keiron Assiratti, Archie Griffin, Freddie Thomas, Christ Tshiunza, Ben Carter, Will Rowlands, Adam Beard, Taine Plumtree, James Botham, Jac Morgan, Tommy Reffell, Aaron Wainwright.
Backs: Tomos Williams, Rhodri Williams, Ellis Bevan, Sam Costelow, Gareth Anscombe, Ben Thomas, Nick Tompkins, Max Llewellyn, Eddie James, Owen Watkin, Mason Grady, Blair Murray, Rio Dyer, Josh Hathaway, Tom Rogers, Cameron Winnett. |
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2024 at 12:14
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/crl8l2z24e3o" rel="nofollow - Australia call up league convert Suaalii
Big-money rugby league convert Joseph Suaalii has been named in Australia's 34-man squad to travel to the northern hemisphere next month.
The 21-year-old former Sydney Roosters wing or centre is yet to play a professional rugby union game after a switch from league reportedly worth more than 5m Australian dollars (£2.6m).
Uncapped former Leicester wing Harry Potter, now with Western Force, has also been named in Joe Schmidt's squad for their tour of the United Kingdom and Ireland.
Schmidt said that Suaalii - who he will use at centre, wing or full-back - needed to be brought in now in preparation for Australia's home series against the British and Irish Lions next year.
"I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't conscious of the big deal that he's on and the profile that he has, because you can’t not be aware of that," said Schmidt.
"As much as we think maybe it might have been better to come through [the second string Australia XV], part of it is that we play the Lions next year.
"So if he doesn't debut on this tour, then there's very little window. There may be one opportunity to play before the Lions next year, and that would be it. So for us, we feel a little bit of pressure to be able to fast-track him."
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Australia squad
Forwards: Allan Alaalatoa, Angus Bell, Matt Faessler, Nick Frost, Langi Gleeson, Isaac Kailea, Fraser McReight, Brandon Paenga-Amosa, Billy Pollard, Tom Robertson, Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, Will Skelton, James Slipper, Carlo Tizzano, Taniela Tupou, Seru Uru, Rob Valetini, Jeremy Williams, Harry Wilson.
Backs: Ben Donaldson, Tane Edmed, Jake Gordon, Len Ikitau, Max Jorgensen, Andrew Kellaway, Samu Kerevi, Noah Lolesio, Tate McDermott, Hunter Paisami, Dylan Pietsch, Harry Potter, Joseph Suaalii, Nic White, Tom Wright. |
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2024 at 12:35
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c4g4gvjpd83o" rel="nofollow - World Cup winners return to South Africa squad
South Africa squad
Backs (16): Kurt-Lee Arendse, Aphelele Fassi, Cheslin Kolbe, Willie le Roux, Makazole Mapimpi, Canan Moodie, Damian Willemse; Lukhanyo Am, Damian de Allende, Andre Esterhuizen, Jesse Kriel; Manie Libbok, Handre Pollard; Jaden Hendrikse, Cobus Reinach, Grant Williams.
Forwards (18): Jan-Hendrik Wessels, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Siya Kolisi (capt), Elrigh Louw, Kwagga Smith, Marco van Staden, Jasper Wiese; Eben Etzebeth, Franco Mostert, Ruan Nortje, RG Snyman, Malcolm Marx, Bongi Mbonambi, Thomas du Toit, Vincent Koch, Frans Malherbe, Ox Nche, Gerhard Steenekamp. |
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2024 at 12:44
Fair play that is a mighty looking squad.
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2024 at 14:37
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cvgwxldqx4vo" rel="nofollow - Doris to captain Ireland in autumn internationals
Ireland squad
Forwards (19): Ryan Baird (Leinster), Finlay Bealham (Connacht), Tadhg Beirne (Munster), Caelan Doris (Leinste, capt) Tadhg Furlong (Leinster), Cian Healy (Leinster), Dave Heffernan (Connacht), Iain Henderson (Ulster), Rob Herring (Ulster), Cormac Izuchukwu (Ulster), Ronan Kelleher (Leinster), Joe McCarthy (Leinster), Peter O’Mahony (Munster), Tom O’Toole (Ulster), Andrew Porter (Leinster), Cian Prendergast (Connacht), James Ryan (Leinster), Nick Timoney (Ulster), Josh van der Flier (Leinster)
Backs (16): Bundee Aki (Connacht), Craig Casey (Munster), Jack Crowley (Munster), Ciaran Frawley (Leinster), Jamison Gibson-Park (Leinster), Mack Hansen (Connacht), Robbie Henshaw (Leinster), Hugo Keenan (Leinster), James Lowe (Leinster), Stuart McCloskey (Ulster), Conor Murray (Munster), Calvin Nash (Munster), Jamie Osborne (Leinster), Sam Prendergast (Lansdowne/Leinster), Garry Ringrose (Leinster), Jacob Stockdale (Ulster)
Training panellists: Thomas Clarkson (Leinster), Alex Kendellen (Munster), Shayne Bolton (Connacht), Jack Boyle (Leinster), Gus McCarthy (Leinster) |
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2024 at 15:48
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c7895ex1e95o" rel="nofollow - Tuipulotu to captain Scotland in Autumn Tests
Sione Tuipulotu will captain Scotland in the autumn Tests against South Africa, Australia, Fiji and Portugal while his brother Mosese has been called up for the first time.
There are also recalls for prop D'Arcy Rae, centre Rory Hutchinson and winger Darcy Graham, who has been missing through injury since the 2023 World Cup.
Glasgow's New Zealand-born fly-half Tom Jordan has recently become eligible and his inclusion nudges Ben Healy out of the 45-man squad.
Alex Samuel, Ben Muncaster and Freddy Douglas - who has yet to feature in the United Rugby Championship for Edinburgh - are the other uncapped players chosen by head coach Gregor Townsend.
Finn Russell and Rory Darge were co-captains for the Six Nations and are listed as vice-captains for the November matches.
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Scotland squad
Forwards: Ewan Ashman (Edinburgh), Josh Bayliss (Bath), Jamie Bhatti, Gregor Brown, Scott Cummings (all Glasgow Warriors), Luke Crosbie (Edinburgh), Alex Craig (Scarlets), Rory Darge, Jack Dempsey (both Glasgow Warriors), Freddy Douglas (Edinburgh), Matt Fagerson, Zander Fagerson (both Glasgow Warriors), Grant Gilchrist, Patrick Harrison (both Edinburgh Rugby), Will Hurd (Leicester), Ewan Johnson (Oyonnax), Nathan McBeth, Elliot Millar Mills (Northampton), Ben Muncaster (Edinburgh), D'Arcy Rae (Edinburgh), Dylan Richardson (Sharks), Jamie Richie (Edinburgh), Alex Samuel (Glasgow Warriors), Pierre Schoeman (Edinburgh), Rory Sutherland, Max Williamson (both Glasgow Warriors)
Backs: Matt Currie (Edinburgh), Jamie Dobie (Glasgow Warriors), Darcy Graham (Edinburgh), Adam Hastings, George Horne (both Glasgow Warriors), Rory Hutchinson (Northampton), Huw Jones, Tom Jordan (both Glasgow Warriors), Blair Kinghorn (Toulouse), Stafford McDowall (Glasgow Warriors), Harry Paterson, Ali Price (Edinburgh), Arron Reed (Sale Sharks), Kyle Rowe (Glasgow Warriors), Finn Russell (Bath), Mosese Tuipulotu (Edinburgh), Sione Tuipulotu, captain (Glasgow Warriors), Duhan van der Merwe (Edinburgh), Ben White (Toulon) |
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2024 at 22:59
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cwyxx2yv9pyo" rel="nofollow - England call-up Coles and Hill in 36-player squad
England head coach Steve Borthwick has called up Northampton lock Alex Coles and Bath back-row Ted Hill to his squad for the opening Autumn Nations Series match with New Zealand on Saturday.
Hill is rewarded after his player of the match display after Bath’s Premiership win over Sale, while Coles continues to impress for Saints.
Sale fly-half George Ford is also promoted to the regular squad, having been previously named as going through ‘rehabilitation’ after a quad injury sustained in early October.
Leicester forward Ollie Chessum drops out of the squad as he awaits assessment on a knee injury picked up against Saracens, while Charlie Ewels is also out as he follows return to play protocols following Bath’s win at The Rec.
Sale wing Tom Roebuck is also dropped from the 36-player squad that will prepare to play the All Blacks. |
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2024 at 16:39
Borthwick has gone early...
England: Furbank; Feyi-Waboso, Slade, Lawrence, Freeman; M Smith, Spencer; Genge, George (capt), Stuart; Itoje, Martin; Cunningham-South, T Curry, Earl.
Replacements: Dan, Baxter, Cole, Isiekwe, B Curry, Dombrandt, Randall, Ford.
Picking Ford as one of 2 backs on the bench is risky. I suppose Marcus Smith can cover wing and full back
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2024 at 16:48
Paul10 wrote:
Borthwick has gone early...
England: Furbank; Feyi-Waboso, Slade, Lawrence, Freeman; M Smith, Spencer; Genge, George (capt), Stuart; Itoje, Martin; Cunningham-South, T Curry, Earl.
Replacements: Dan, Baxter, Cole, Isiekwe, B Curry, Dombrandt, Randall, Ford.
Picking Ford as one of 2 backs on the bench is risky. I suppose Marcus Smith can cover wing and full back |
Very risky, when you consider he hasn't played for weeks
------------- RAID ON
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2024 at 12:08
Joe Marler adding a bit of spice to Saturday's match.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c629qx5e6plo" rel="nofollow - Marler deletes post saying haka 'needs binning'
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2024 at 16:23
Steve@Mose wrote:
Joe Marler adding a bit of spice to Saturday's match.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c629qx5e6plo" rel="nofollow - Marler deletes post saying haka 'needs binning' |
not sure why anyone with half a profile deletes posts these days, unless they make that decision within 10 seconds in which case they might get lucky. longer than that and it's bound to be noted and subject to a screen-shot, and then the 'guilty deletion' becomes more of a story than the initial point the person's making. binning the kiwis' 'silly dance' is a perfectly legitimate thing to call for IMHO...
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Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2024 at 17:07
Personally I think it’s a great spectacle. The honour in the game is in respecting the other teams traditions.
Without honour there is no respect. Without respect, there is anarchy. Respect for the game and respect for the referee is what makes this game special.
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2024 at 17:26
Steve@Mose wrote:
Joe Marler adding a bit of spice to Saturday's match.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c629qx5e6plo" rel="nofollow - Marler deletes post saying haka 'needs binning' |
Not binning, but get rid of its protections. Let players respond how they want to it.. Fans at Twickenham, quite rightly do by drowning it out with Swing Low.
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Posted By: fatbear
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2024 at 20:07
Steve@Mose wrote:
Joe Marler adding a bit of spice to Saturday's match.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c629qx5e6plo" rel="nofollow - Marler deletes post saying haka 'needs binning' |
Personally I agree with Marler, it is an anacronhnism that has reached its sell by date and I find very boring.
Alternatively, let's have England performing Morris Dancing, Ireland the River Dance and Argentina the Latin Tango........
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2024 at 21:21
It's not the haka per se that really grinds my gears, it's all the nonsense around it: the recent 20-metre distancing clause that curtails opponents' ability to challenge; TV cameras between the teams; the insistence on it being the last thing b4 KO, after the anthems, even when NZ are the away team; the pomposity about tradition given how pathetically they performed it b4 'Buck' Shelford got involved in 80s; the recent changes involving throat-slitting and having a spear on the pitch - FFS; the outrage about disrespect whenever it's challenged; the spear-tackle on O'Driscoll in 1st min of Lions' test after his haka response; the childish decision to perform it in their dressing room in Cardiff. I could go on...
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2024 at 23:47
Having the anthem and the folk dance is two bites of the cherry.
You should have one or the other And the host should go last.
------------- Sweeney Delenda Est
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Posted By: Sedge Tiger
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 07:21
islander wrote:
It's not the haka per se that really grinds my gears, it's all the nonsense around it: the recent 20-metre distancing clause that curtails opponents' ability to challenge; TV cameras between the teams; the insistence on it being the last thing b4 KO, after the anthems, even when NZ are the away team; the pomposity about tradition given how pathetically they performed it b4 'Buck' Shelford got involved in 80s; the recent changes involving throat-slitting and having a spear on the pitch - FFS; the outrage about disrespect whenever it's challenged; the spear-tackle on O'Driscoll in 1st min of Lions' test after his haka response; the childish decision to perform it in their dressing room in Cardiff. I could go on... |
Good morning islander.
All the best
ST
------------- Give him one with handles on
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Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 07:26
Watched the England v Samoa rugby league game at the weekend,they were facing up very close for Samoa's pre match 'Haka'
------------- Cauliflower ear.
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 07:48
My favourite recent (ish) response was Wales in 2008 (?) standing and staring the ABs down at the end of the Haka.
Still lost but great theatre.
And 100% agree with Islander. 👍
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Posted By: Old Gold
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 08:33
Completely agree Islander.
------------- #AClubForLife💛❤️🖤
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 10:36
kingsheathlad wrote:
Watched the England v Samoa rugby league game at the weekend,they were facing up very close for Samoa's pre match 'Haka' |
It was an impressive Siva Tau, and a properly respectful response from England.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 10:46
Steve@Mose wrote:
kingsheathlad wrote:
Watched the England v Samoa rugby league game at the weekend,they were facing up very close for Samoa's pre match 'Haka' |
It was an impressive Siva Tau, and a properly respectful response from England.
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Compelling TV Steve, I agree, but should we really be setting up a situation where combatants are this pumped up and literally touching foreheads before kick-off?! Is that a 'properly respectful' situation, or one that's reminiscent of boxing weigh-ins where the fighters play the game and get all gnarly with each other because it's proven that will attract PPV buyers and end up benefitting their bank balances? Fair play to the two guys here for keeping their composure, but on another day one of them would twitch, and it would all kick off...
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Posted By: JZSmith
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 11:56
I always remember Brian Moore saying one of his greatest rugby memories was standing tall facing the haka. He had respect for it and the ABs had respect for him. That's the way it should be.
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 13:06
New Zealand: Jordan; Tele'a, Ioane, J Barrett, Clarke; B Barrett, Ratima; Williams, Taylor, Lomax, S Barrett (capt), Vaa'i, Sititi, Cane, Savea. Replacements: Aumua, Tu'ungafasi, Tosi, Tuipulotu, Finau, Roigard, Lienart-Brown, McKenzie
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Posted By: Se7en
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 13:25
islander wrote:
Steve@Mose wrote:
kingsheathlad wrote:
Watched the England v Samoa rugby league game at the weekend,they were facing up very close for Samoa's pre match 'Haka' |
It was an impressive Siva Tau, and a properly respectful response from England.
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Compelling TV Steve, I agree, but should we really be setting up a situation where combatants are this pumped up and literally touching foreheads before kick-off?! Is that a 'properly respectful' situation, or one that's reminiscent of boxing weigh-ins where the fighters play the game and get all gnarly with each other because it's proven that will attract PPV buyers and end up benefitting their bank balances? Fair play to the two guys here for keeping their composure, but on another day one of them would twitch, and it would all kick off...
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And on how many other days has one of them actually twitched and it 'all kicked off?'
Comparing international test match rugby (and the elite athletes playing it) to gnarly boxing weigh ins is totally pointless, it's an irrelevant point. The two are poles apart in terms of the sports themselves, but more importantly, in terms of the character, attitude, demeanour (on the whole) of those taking part.
The other post re Brian Moore and the mutual respect between England and the All Blacks hits the nail on the head, and I completely agree with this viewpoint. Long may this tradition and the subtle values that it encapsulates equally on the part of the All Blacks and whoever their opponents are on a given day continue.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 15:25
Se7en wrote:
islander wrote:
Steve@Mose wrote:
kingsheathlad wrote:
Watched the England v Samoa rugby league game at the weekend,they were facing up very close for Samoa's pre match 'Haka' |
It was an impressive Siva Tau, and a properly respectful response from England.
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Compelling TV Steve, I agree, but should we really be setting up a situation where combatants are this pumped up and literally touching foreheads before kick-off?! Is that a 'properly respectful' situation, or one that's reminiscent of boxing weigh-ins where the fighters play the game and get all gnarly with each other because it's proven that will attract PPV buyers and end up benefitting their bank balances? Fair play to the two guys here for keeping their composure, but on another day one of them would twitch, and it would all kick off...
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And on how many other days has one of them actually twitched and it 'all kicked off?'
Comparing international test match rugby (and the elite athletes playing it) to gnarly boxing weigh ins is totally pointless, it's an irrelevant point. The two are poles apart in terms of the sports themselves, but more importantly, in terms of the character, attitude, demeanour (on the whole) of those taking part.
The other post re Brian Moore and the mutual respect between England and the All Blacks hits the nail on the head, and I completely agree with this viewpoint. Long may this tradition and the subtle values that it encapsulates equally on the part of the All Blacks and whoever their opponents are on a given day continue. |
Ironic that you write about mutual respect while at the same time sl@gg1ng off a fellow poster for daring to express an opinion you don't agree with.
I want international rugby and boxing title fights to remain poles apart, but I fear this encouragement of opposing teams to confront each other before play starts could be a slippery slope towards bringing them closer together, with the TV companies seeking to get more and more inside access. How long before one of them pioneers a #TongueCam which films the reaction of an opponent as the tongue of the large Maori opposite them is stuck out?
PS I have huge respect for Brian Moore, but would add that he retired from international rugby three decades ago - not sure whether or not he approves of how the haka has developed since then...
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 16:01
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c87xd935en2o" rel="nofollow - Graham to make first Scotland start since World Cup
Scotland & Fiji teams
Scotland: Rowe; Graham, Jones, S Tuipulotu (capt), Van der Merwe; Hastings, Price; Schoeman, Ashman, Z Fagerson, Gilchrist, Cummings, M Fagerson, Darge, Dempsey.
Replacements: Richardson, Sutherland, Rae, Williamson, Brown, Dobie, Jordan, McDowall.
Fiji: Ravula; Karawalevu, Vota, Tabuavou, Loganimasi; Muntz, Lomani; Hetet, Ikanivere (capt), Tawake, Nasilasila, Rotuisolia, Derenalagi, Salawa, Canakaivata.
Replacements: Dolokoto, Natave, Koroiduadua, Vocevoce, Miramira, Kuruvoli, Valetini, Nalaga. |
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Posted By: Se7en
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 17:10
islander wrote:
Se7en wrote:
islander wrote:
Steve@Mose wrote:
kingsheathlad wrote:
Watched the England v Samoa rugby league game at the weekend,they were facing up very close for Samoa's pre match 'Haka' |
It was an impressive Siva Tau, and a properly respectful response from England.
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Compelling TV Steve, I agree, but should we really be setting up a situation where combatants are this pumped up and literally touching foreheads before kick-off?! Is that a 'properly respectful' situation, or one that's reminiscent of boxing weigh-ins where the fighters play the game and get all gnarly with each other because it's proven that will attract PPV buyers and end up benefitting their bank balances? Fair play to the two guys here for keeping their composure, but on another day one of them would twitch, and it would all kick off...
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And on how many other days has one of them actually twitched and it 'all kicked off?'
Comparing international test match rugby (and the elite athletes playing it) to gnarly boxing weigh ins is totally pointless, it's an irrelevant point. The two are poles apart in terms of the sports themselves, but more importantly, in terms of the character, attitude, demeanour (on the whole) of those taking part.
The other post re Brian Moore and the mutual respect between England and the All Blacks hits the nail on the head, and I completely agree with this viewpoint. Long may this tradition and the subtle values that it encapsulates equally on the part of the All Blacks and whoever their opponents are on a given day continue. |
Ironic that you write about mutual respect while at the same time sl@gg1ng off a fellow poster for daring to express an opinion you don't agree with.
I want international rugby and boxing title fights to remain poles apart, but I fear this encouragement of opposing teams to confront each other before play starts could be a slippery slope towards bringing them closer together, with the TV companies seeking to get more and more inside access. How long before one of them pioneers a #TongueCam which films the reaction of an opponent as the tongue of the large Maori opposite them is stuck out?
PS I have huge respect for Brian Moore, but would add that he retired from international rugby three decades ago - not sure whether or not he approves of how the haka has developed since then...
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I haven't sla@@ed anyone off, just highlighted an irrelevant point to the conversation at hand, that acts as a distraction from what's at the heart of this topic, the Haka itself.
You would do well to educate yourself on the history of the dance from centuries of Maori culture, and show some respect and tolerance to a different rugby culture, rather than muddying the water with obtuse comparisons to boxing and a series of 'what if's' that have yet to ever materialise in terms of 'someone twitching and kicking off'. Really??
Suffice to say we'll clearly agree to disagree here, and that's fine, but I'll be tuning in on Saturday to watch the latest rendition of a culturally significant performance that existed long before you or I ever set eyes on a rugby pitch.
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 20:40
islander wrote:
Steve@Mose wrote:
kingsheathlad wrote:
Watched the England v Samoa rugby league game at the weekend,they were facing up very close for Samoa's pre match 'Haka' |
It was an impressive Siva Tau, and a properly respectful response from England.
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Compelling TV Steve, I agree, but should we really be setting up a situation where combatants are this pumped up and literally touching foreheads before kick-off?! Is that a 'properly respectful' situation, or one that's reminiscent of boxing weigh-ins where the fighters play the game and get all gnarly with each other because it's proven that will attract PPV buyers and end up benefitting their bank balances? Fair play to the two guys here for keeping their composure, but on another day one of them would twitch, and it would all kick off...
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In the Pacific Island culture, I believe that's called a hongi and is a greeting gesture. But personally, I'd love to see some more of that fronting up to the dance in union and removal of any special protections it has.
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Posted By: JZSmith
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 11:22
islander wrote:
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PS I have huge respect for Brian Moore, but would add that he retired from international rugby three decades ago - not sure whether or not he approves of how the haka has developed since then...
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How about replacing Brian Moore with the current England captain who has expressed similar views then?
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 15:54
Se7en wrote:
islander wrote:
Se7en wrote:
islander wrote:
Steve@Mose wrote:
kingsheathlad wrote:
Watched the England v Samoa rugby league game at the weekend,they were facing up very close for Samoa's pre match 'Haka' |
It was an impressive Siva Tau, and a properly respectful response from England.
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Compelling TV Steve, I agree, but should we really be setting up a situation where combatants are this pumped up and literally touching foreheads before kick-off?! Is that a 'properly respectful' situation, or one that's reminiscent of boxing weigh-ins where the fighters play the game and get all gnarly with each other because it's proven that will attract PPV buyers and end up benefitting their bank balances? Fair play to the two guys here for keeping their composure, but on another day one of them would twitch, and it would all kick off...
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And on how many other days has one of them actually twitched and it 'all kicked off?'
Comparing international test match rugby (and the elite athletes playing it) to gnarly boxing weigh ins is totally pointless, it's an irrelevant point. The two are poles apart in terms of the sports themselves, but more importantly, in terms of the character, attitude, demeanour (on the whole) of those taking part.
The other post re Brian Moore and the mutual respect between England and the All Blacks hits the nail on the head, and I completely agree with this viewpoint. Long may this tradition and the subtle values that it encapsulates equally on the part of the All Blacks and whoever their opponents are on a given day continue. |
Ironic that you write about mutual respect while at the same time sl@gg1ng off a fellow poster for daring to express an opinion you don't agree with.
I want international rugby and boxing title fights to remain poles apart, but I fear this encouragement of opposing teams to confront each other before play starts could be a slippery slope towards bringing them closer together, with the TV companies seeking to get more and more inside access. How long before one of them pioneers a #TongueCam which films the reaction of an opponent as the tongue of the large Maori opposite them is stuck out?
PS I have huge respect for Brian Moore, but would add that he retired from international rugby three decades ago - not sure whether or not he approves of how the haka has developed since then...
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I haven't sla@@ed anyone off, just highlighted an irrelevant point to the conversation at hand, that acts as a distraction from what's at the heart of this topic, the Haka itself.
You would do well to educate yourself on the history of the dance from centuries of Maori culture, and show some respect and tolerance to a different rugby culture, rather than muddying the water with obtuse comparisons to boxing and a series of 'what if's' that have yet to ever materialise in terms of 'someone twitching and kicking off'. Really??
Suffice to say we'll clearly agree to disagree here, and that's fine, but I'll be tuning in on Saturday to watch the latest rendition of a culturally significant performance that existed long before you or I ever set eyes on a rugby pitch.
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Great that you deny sl@gg1ng someone off, and then in the very next breath talk down to them by saying they "would do well to educate themselves". I'm perfectly aware of the background to the haka, thanks, and saw it at Twickenham in 1973, albeit with limited memory of that day due to being knee-high to a grasshopper.
The 1970s version was pretty insipid - look at the famous Baabaas game in Cardiff on Youtube, but then they ramped it up after Buck Shelford got hold of it. No coincidence that the recent (40ish years) evolution of the haka has come in step with the larger proportion of Polynesian players in the NZ squad and the development of the All Black (TM) brand, which is now so huge that they can charge a seven figure appearance fee for a game like tomorrow's. World Rugby (the IRB) is afraid to confront them, in the way that Indian cricket is allowed to do much as it likes by the ICC. Hence the haka retains its place as the last act before a match kicks off, even after the anthems and even if NZ are playing away. It's great that the Maoris get a fairer crack of the whip in asserting their cultural identity than was the case 50 years ago, just as it's good that Aboriginal Australians can do the same before a game. The difference being that Australia don't turn up at Twickenham, Ellis Park, Lansdowne Road or wherever and tell the home team that they'll be doing their cultural ceremonial bit in the centre of the pitch, after the anthems, 60 seconds before KO.
I'm not seeking to ban the haka (and nor is Joe Marler as specified in his recent clarification) but I don't like the way it has become sanitised/corporatised, with TV cameras in between the teams and rules about what the opponents may do. When a handful of England players at the outer edges of the 'V' formation adopted in Yokohama in RWC 2019 crossed the halfway line, they were fined - what nonsense! I won't repeat my other objections, as above, but quite a few people seemed to agree with them.
But allowing them so close as to permit physical contact, as happened in the league game last weekend, goes too far the other way, in my opinion. You don't have to agree with this view, but I don't see why you should belittle it.
TNT Sports has a 'haka cam' tomorrow - going too far I think.
Interesting discussion about this in the almost-always-excellent Ruck podcast from the Times...
https://shows.acast.com/theruck" rel="nofollow - https://shows.acast.com/theruck
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2024 at 23:50
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/ckgz2v5nz5qo" rel="nofollow - England call up Opoku-Fordjour in 36-player squad
England have called-up Sale Sharks prop Asher Opoku-Fordjour to the 36-player squad preparing to face Australia in the Autumn Nations Series.
The 20-year-old was a member of England's Under-20s side which won their age grade World Cup this year.
Opoku-Fordjour replaces Joe Marler, who has announced his retirement from international rugby, while Bath lock Charlie Ewels replaces club team-mate Ted Hill. |
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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2024 at 10:49
Re TNT's images of the Haka. They were all over the place, the director could not decide which was the best angle so we ended up withe every angle, briefly and badly!
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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2024 at 12:30
I really don’t know how England contrived to lose this game. But I think Clive Woodward hit the nail replacing Smith for Ford who hadn’t played for a month was totally wrong. I can understand replacing the front row although that wasn’t very clever either.
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2024 at 12:46
Too many coaches seem to have a set plan as to when they will bring replacements on - rather that actually responding to the game going on.
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Posted By: Breakdown
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2024 at 14:30
Camquin wrote:
Too many coaches seem to have a set plan as to when they will bring replacements on - rather that actually responding to the game going on.
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Quite right, although perhaps we should welcome the refreshing change that it is the coaches, not the players, who failed to see what was going on around them. (joke)
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2024 at 16:58
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cp8xyg506jgo" rel="nofollow - England name unchanged XV to face Australia
England line-up
England: Furbank; Feyi-Waboso, Lawrence, Slade, Freeman; M Smith, Spencer; Genge, George (capt), Stuart, Itoje, Martin, Cunningham-South, T Curry, Earl.
Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Baxter, Cole, Isiekwe, Dombrandt, Randall, Ford, Sleightholme. |
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2024 at 21:52
Steve@Mose wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cp8xyg506jgo" rel="nofollow - England name unchanged XV to face Australia
England line-up
England: Furbank; Feyi-Waboso, Lawrence, Slade, Freeman; M Smith, Spencer; Genge, George (capt), Stuart, Itoje, Martin, Cunningham-South, T Curry, Earl.
Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Baxter, Cole, Isiekwe, Dombrandt, Randall, Ford, Sleightholme. |
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The 12/13 midfield switch is intriguing; not that SB is seeking to change tactics, but that he elects to broadcast this 4 days before the match, when he could have just left Slade & Lawrence in their previous shirts & then mixed things up as soon as game started. Is it a double-bluff?! Doubtful, not really his style…
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 08:06
It won't matter who the centres are if the line-out doesn't work and the ball never leaves the scrum.
Fortunately for England those are eminently fixable.
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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 08:34
Would have thought Fin Smith would have been on bench unles he’s injured
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 10:29
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cx2lre3xejlo" rel="nofollow - Scotland's Graham to miss SA Test with concussion
Scotland winger Darcy Graham will miss Sunday's autumn Test with South Africa because of a concussion sustained during his four-try performance against Fiji.
The 27-year-old was making his first Scotland appearance in 12 months after a series of injuries ruled him out of the Six Nations and summer tour.
He scored half of Scotland's eight tries in the 57-17 win at Murrayfield on Saturday and elevated himself to second in Scotland men's all-time top try-scorers list, one behind team-mate Duhan van der Merwe. |
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 13:46
Steve@Mose wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cx2lre3xejlo" rel="nofollow - Scotland's Graham to miss SA Test with concussion
Scotland winger Darcy Graham will miss Sunday's autumn Test with South Africa because of a concussion sustained during his four-try performance against Fiji.
The 27-year-old was making his first Scotland appearance in 12 months after a series of injuries ruled him out of the Six Nations and summer tour.
He scored half of Scotland's eight tries in the 57-17 win at Murrayfield on Saturday and elevated himself to second in Scotland men's all-time top try-scorers list, one behind team-mate Duhan van der Merwe. |
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He has had rotten luck with injuries.
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 16:41
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c4gm88r4lzro" rel="nofollow - Ireland prop Furlong ruled out of All Blacks game
Ireland line-up
Ireland: Hugo Keenan; Mack Hansen, Garry Ringrose, Bundee Aki, James Lowe; Jack Crowley, Jamison Gibson-Park; Andrew Porter, Ronan Kelleher, Finlay Bealham; Joe McCarthy, James Ryan; Tadhg Beirne, Josh van der Flier, Caelan Doris (captain).
Replacements: Rob Herring, Cian Healy, Tom O’Toole, Iain Henderson, Peter O’Mahony, Conor Murray, Ciaran Frawley, Jamie Osborne. |
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 17:14
Ireland really has 1 amazing academy and a brilliant exiles system.
Such an efficient method of producing players for international rugby.
Not sure the front row will survive Friday night.
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2024 at 17:41
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cqj0qwz2xwvo" rel="nofollow - All Blacks bring in McKenzie & Aumua for Ireland test
New Zealand: Will Jordan; Mark Tele'a, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke; Damian McKenzie, Cortez Ratima; Tamaita Williams, Asafo Aumua, Tyrel Lomax, Scott Barrett (capt), Tupou Vaa'i, Wallace Sititi, Sam Cane, Ardie Savea.
Replacements: George Bell, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Pasilo Tosi, Patrick Tuipulotu, Samipeni Finau, Cam Roigard, Anton Leinert-Brown, Stephen Perofeta. |
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2024 at 15:10
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/crezne33lj0o" rel="nofollow - Suaalii to start for Australia against England
Rugby league convert Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii will start in the centres for Australia against England on Saturday at Twickenham's Allianz Stadium in his first professional rugby union game.
The 21-year-old former Sydney Roosters wing or centre recently switched from league in a three-year deal reportedly worth A$5.35m (£2.7m).
Suaalii, who played both codes growing up, last played rugby union for Australian Schoolboys in 2019.
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Australia: Wright; Kellaway, Suaalii, Ikitau, Pietsch; Lolesio, Gordon; Bell, Faessler, Tupou, Frost, Williams, Valetini, McReight, Wilson (capt).
Replacements: Paenga-Amosa, Slipper, Alaalatoa, Salakaia-Loto, Gleeson, McDermott, Donaldson, Jorgensen. |
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2024 at 19:48
islander wrote:
Steve@Mose wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cp8xyg506jgo" rel="nofollow - England name unchanged XV to face Australia
England line-up
England: Furbank; Feyi-Waboso, Lawrence, Slade, Freeman; M Smith, Spencer; Genge, George (capt), Stuart, Itoje, Martin, Cunningham-South, T Curry, Earl.
Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Baxter, Cole, Isiekwe, Dombrandt, Randall, Ford, Sleightholme. |
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The 12/13 midfield switch is intriguing; not that SB is seeking to change tactics, but that he elects to broadcast this 4 days before the match, when he could have just left Slade & Lawrence in their previous shirts & then mixed things up as soon as game started. Is it a double-bluff?! Doubtful, not really his style… |
Where Islander leads the BBC eventually follow.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c5yx3x4ynwlo" rel="nofollow - Will Lawrence switch improve England's attack?
"I want Ollie to touch the ball in as much space as he can, he is go-forward for us," England senior assistant coach Richard Wigglesworth told BBC Sport.
"I want the players to show exactly what they can do and put their best on the pitch.
"The numbers on their back have been interchangeable in some specific transition stuff and how we can get them into the best positions to show off their skills."
Despite being a kick away from beating the All Blacks, Borthwick's side only managed one breakaway try through wing Immanuel Feyi-Waboso.
Lawrence only made two carries in the game - the joint-lowest alongside props Ellis Genge and Will Stuart - but he topped England's tackle stats with 27.
It will be the eighth game in a row both Slade and Lawrence will pair up in England's midfield and while their shirt numbers are changing, both have previously swapped positions during Test matches.
One standout example came during this year's Six Nations when Slade set up Lawrence for a vital try against France in Lyon right before half-time.
The decision was not fully down to the coaches after both England centres raised their views to staff on how a shift might help get the best out of their dangerous backline.
"We do it anyway, if it is attack or defence we are always switching about, but there is more emphasis this week in me being in the wider channels and it is something we think we can explore," added Lawrence.
"Credit to Steve he's given us the green light to give it a crack."
The positional switch means Lawrence's opposite number in the Australian ranks will be rugby league convert Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii, who will be playing his first professional game of XVs. |
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Posted By: JZSmith
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2024 at 12:17
Steve@Mose wrote:
.... Where Islander leads the BBC eventually follow. .... |
It's seldom a good thing to be followed by anyone from the BBC!
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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 07:25
Some very entertaining matches which possibly England Scotland and Wales could have won but somehow they couldn’t get over the line
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 13:11
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/crmzeyl2elxo" rel="nofollow - Injured Curry & Feyi-Waboso replaced in England squad
England have replaced injured duo Tom Curry and Immanuel Feyi-Waboso in their 36-player squad preparing to face South Africa in the Autumn Nations Series on Saturday.
Both flanker Curry, 26, and wing Feyi-Waboso, 21, suffered head injuries in Saturday's last-gasp defeat by Australia.
Bath flanker Ted Hill and Sale Sharks wing Tom Roebuck have been called up to the training squad.
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England squad
Forwards
Fin Baxter (Harlequins), Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Alex Coles (Northampton Saints), Luke Cowan-Dickie (Sale Sharks), Chandler Cunningham-South (Harlequins), Ben Curry (Sale Sharks), Theo Dan (Saracens), Trevor Davison (Northampton Saints), Alex Dombrandt (Harlequins), Ben Earl (Saracens), Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby), Ellis Genge (Bristol Bears), Jamie George (Saracens), Ted Hill (Bath Rugby), Nick Isiekwe (Saracens), Maro Itoje (Saracens), George Martin (Leicester Tigers), Asher Opoku-Fordjour (Sale Sharks), Will Stuart (Bath Rugby), Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby)
Backs
Elliot Daly (Saracens), George Ford (Sale Sharks), Tommy Freeman (Northampton Saints), George Furbank (Northampton Saints), Ollie Lawrence (Bath Rugby), Alex Lozowski (Saracens), Luke Northmore (Harlequins), Harry Randall (Bristol Bears), Tom Roebuck (Sale Sharks), Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs), Ollie Sleightholme (Northampton Saints), Fin Smith (Northampton Saints), Marcus Smith (Harlequins), Ben Spencer (Bath Rugby), Freddie Steward (Leicester Tigers), Jack van Poortvliet (Leicester Tigers) |
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 18:29
I thought Ted Hill was banned after his altercation with a fan?
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 18:51
Raider999 wrote:
I thought Ted Hill was banned after his altercation with a fan? |
Jonny Hill , Sale was banned
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Posted By: Guinness John
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2024 at 19:05
Surely Freddy Steward and Finn Smith have to come in. Steward especially for the barrage both from the air and at ground level.
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Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2024 at 07:55
KnightsBoy wrote:
Raider999 wrote:
I thought Ted Hill was banned after his altercation with a fan? |
Jonny Hill , Sale was banned |
And that ban was a joke. 10 weeks, backdated, four of them suspended, so he's available for selection from 7th December, despite not having played since January due to injury.
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2024 at 16:19
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cpwrv4per7po" rel="nofollow - Springboks aim to have 'two best teams in the world'
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Posted By: Bigmalc
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2024 at 08:37
The SA " tactic" will kill the game unless its checked. Get back to limited subs based on injury rather than a bench designed to physically terrorise and damage the opposition/
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2024 at 13:21
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cdxveyj2d8ko" rel="nofollow - Argentina make three changes for Ireland game
Argentina: Juan Cruz Mallia; Rodrigo Isgro, Lucio Cinti, Matias Moroni, Bautista Delguy; Tomas Albornoz, Gonzalo Bertranou; Thomas Gallo, Julian Montoya (capt), Joel Sclavi; Guido Petti, Pedro Rubiolo; Pablo Matera, Juan Martin Gonzalez, Joaquin Oviedo
Replacements: Ignacio Ruiz, Ignacio Calles, Francisco Gomez Kodela, Franco Molina, Santiago Grondona, Gonzalo Garcia, Santiago Carreras, Justo Piccardo. |
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2024 at 13:25
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cq6l08n1389o" rel="nofollow - Williams out as Wales change four for Australia
Wales scrum-half Tomos Williams has been ruled out of the Autumn Nations Series match against Australia in Cardiff on Sunday.
The Gloucester half-back suffered a shoulder injury in the 24-19 defeat against Fiji and is replaced by Cardiff's Ellis Bevan.
Head coach Warren Gatland has made four changes as Wales bid to avoid a record 11th consecutive international defeat.
Scarlets wing Tom Rogers replaces the injured Mason Grady, while flankers Jac Morgan and James Botham come in for Taine Plumtree and Tommy Reffell.
Dragons scrum-half Rhodri Williams, 31, is named on the replacements' bench, more than 10 years since winning his last cap.
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Wales team to face Australia
Winnett; Rogers, Llewellyn, B Thomas, Murray; Anscombe, Bevan; G Thomas, Lake (capt), Griffin, Rowlands, Beard, Botham, Morgan, Wainwright.
Replacements: Elias, N Smith, Assiratti, Tshiunza, Reffell, R Williams, Costelow, James. |
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2024 at 15:40
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/czj70p3039xo" rel="nofollow - Healy set to tie O'Driscoll's Ireland cap record
Cian Healy is set to equal Brian O'Driscoll's Ireland cap record after being named on the bench for Friday's autumn international against Argentina, while Sam Prendergast and Thomas Clarkson are set to make their debuts.
The 37-year-old prop will draw level with the former Ireland captain on 133 appearances if he is introduced against the Pumas.
Head coach Andy Farrell has opted against making wholesale changes following last week's defeat by New Zealand, with Robbie Henshaw's inclusion at inside centre ahead of Bundee Aki - who does not make the squad - the only alteration to the starting line-up.
Prop Clarkson and fly-half Prendergast are primed to earn their first caps after being named among the replacements.
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Ireland: Hugo Keenan; Mack Hansen, Garry Ringrose, Robbie Henshaw, James Lowe; Jack Crowley, Jamison Gibson-Park; Andrew Porter, Ronan Kelleher, Finlay Bealham; Joe McCarthy, James Ryan; Tadhg Beirne, Josh van der Flier, Caelan Doris (capt).
Replacements: Rob Herring, Cian Healy, Thomas Clarkson, Ryan Baird, Peter O'Mahony, Craig Casey, Sam Prendergast, Jamie Osborne. |
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