England 6 Nations Selection
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Topic: England 6 Nations Selection
Posted By: front5
Subject: England 6 Nations Selection
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2022 at 20:10
I am absolutely perplexed with Eddie Jones he just can't see the way to win the championship....
1 - why is the most prolific wing, fastest in the eara not selected- he is playing for an off form team. Radwan would of tore up the championship also getting so much interest from online fans. 2 - no Will Collier issues in the scrum he ignores when there is the most on form prop proving his worth every week 3 - selection of Bailey with no test experience.... with the number of inexperienced players if surely should of been Ford- guess point is proven now Farnell is injured and Ford will be drafted in. I would think he takes the bench spot behind smith. And whilst Bailey is an amazing talent for future it's just too soon.
I know I am just a fan looking from the outside but am I missing something is he seeing something beyond my mind.
I know i have listed 3 above but it could of been 10 - curry at 8, centres on wings etc
Any thoughts?
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2022 at 16:09
front5 wrote:
I am absolutely perplexed with Eddie Jones he just can't see the way to win the championship....
1 - why is the most prolific wing, fastest in the eara not selected- he is playing for an off form team. Radwan would of tore up the championship also getting so much interest from online fans. 2 - no Will Collier issues in the scrum he ignores when there is the most on form prop proving his worth every week 3 - selection of Bailey with no test experience.... with the number of inexperienced players if surely should of been Ford- guess point is proven now Farnell is injured and Ford will be drafted in. I would think he takes the bench spot behind smith. And whilst Bailey is an amazing talent for future it's just too soon.
I know I am just a fan looking from the outside but am I missing something is he seeing something beyond my mind.
I know i have listed 3 above but it could of been 10 - curry at 8, centres on wings etc
Any thoughts?
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My only thought is to not waste time trying to figure out Eddie's selections.
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2022 at 18:56
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/60132356" rel="nofollow - England and Gloucester wing Jonny May to see specialists over knee injury
England wing Jonny May will miss the opening two fixtures of the Six Nations with a knee injury and will wait to hear from specialists whether he can play any part in the tournament.
May, 31, did not feature for Gloucester against Perpignan on Saturday.
He will miss England's games against Scotland on 5 February and Italy eight days later, but is not yet ruled out of the Wales game on 26 February. |
Disappointing for May, but an opportunity for others to gain test match experience ahead of RWC 2023.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2022 at 20:57
WEvans wrote:
front5 wrote:
I am absolutely perplexed with Eddie Jones he just can't see the way to win the championship....
1 - why is the most prolific wing, fastest in the eara not selected- he is playing for an off form team. Radwan would of tore up the championship also getting so much interest from online fans. 2 - no Will Collier issues in the scrum he ignores when there is the most on form prop proving his worth every week 3 - selection of Bailey with no test experience.... with the number of inexperienced players if surely should of been Ford- guess point is proven now Farnell is injured and Ford will be drafted in. I would think he takes the bench spot behind smith. And whilst Bailey is an amazing talent for future it's just too soon.
I know I am just a fan looking from the outside but am I missing something is he seeing something beyond my mind.
I know i have listed 3 above but it could of been 10 - curry at 8, centres on wings etc
Any thoughts?
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My only thought is to not waste time trying to figure out Eddie's selections. |
You're so right WE... altho' at the same time one can't help looking at each squad and scratching one's head. Some interesting thoughts about the latest squad on this week's edition of The Ruck podcast which is produced by the Times
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2022 at 07:23
Steve@Mose wrote:
Disappointing for May, but an opportunity for others to gain test match experience ahead of RWC 2023. |
And I think you have hit the nail on the head there Steve - I think this is all about RWC 2023 - these un-blooded youngsters need to cut their teeth in a serious competition to see how they will perform under pressure etc. etc.
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Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2022 at 07:36
Not to pick Radwan is a big mistake, he is not the finished article but is unique and will only get better. I would also like to see Will Muir given a chance, great hands, big and with a very unusual running style.
I feel for Collier as his form is outstanding how Sinkler keeps his place I have no idea.
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2022 at 12:27
Well at least the Farrell debate is over for the 6 Nations as he is having an ankle operation and will miss it all.
However, I am perturbed by the clamour amongst the press to parachute Ford into the starting 15 and leave Smith on the bench!
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2022 at 14:11
Raider999 wrote:
Well at least the Farrell debate is over for the 6 Nations as he is having an ankle operation and will miss it all.
However, I am perturbed by the clamour amongst the press to parachute Ford into the starting 15 and leave Smith on the bench! |
Stuff the press - they're just trying to push people's buttons and stir up indignation amongst the readership.
Whether Smith should start all five matches in the Six Nations is another point. There is a case for having Ford starting with a natural 12 outside of him, and there is also a need to give the third in line fly half some test match time this year. Perhaps a Smith/Ford rotation over the main four matches, and third in line fly half coming off the bench in the match against Italy - starting berth to which of Smith/Ford needs to up their game after the Calcutta Cup?
A fit Farrell can go on the summer tour to Australia and put down a claim for being picked in the autumn tests.
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2022 at 21:32
Raider999 wrote:
Well at least the Farrell debate is over for the 6 Nations as he is having an ankle operation and will miss it all.
However, I am perturbed by the clamour amongst the press to parachute Ford into the starting 15 and leave Smith on the bench! |
Ford is the perfect starter and bring on Smith to finish the job, form dictates that above any personal preferences, my personal choice would be for Ford to remain at Leicester for the duration, but that is I guess selfish.
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 14:09
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/60192835" rel="nofollow - England suffer fresh blow as Joe Marchant tests positive for Covid
England's Six Nations preparations have been hit with fresh blows ahead of their Scotland opener on 5 February.
Utility back Joe Marchant has tested positive for Covid which has left him doubtful, while full-back Tommy Freeman is out with a hamstring injury.
Harlequins' Louis Lynagh and Newcastle's Adam Radwan have been called into the squad. |
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2022 at 23:34
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/60223857" rel="nofollow - Scotland v England: Courtney Lawes and Jonny Hill out of game through injury
Forwards Courtney Lawes and Jonny Hill have been ruled out of England's Six Nations opener against Scotland on Saturday.
Flanker Lawes is recovering from concussion, while lock Hill has a foot injury.
Lawes' absence adds to England's leadership problems with regular captain Owen Farrell out for the Championship.
Prop Joe Marler has returned to training following Covid-19 isolation. |
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2022 at 07:13
Team announced tomorrow. Captain? Have seen George, Itoje & Curry all mentioned, don't believe any backs are in the frame...
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2022 at 07:45
islander wrote:
Team announced tomorrow. Captain? Have seen George, Itoje & Curry all mentioned, don't believe any backs are in the frame... |
Hasn't Itoje been groomed to take on this mantle?
------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2022 at 09:41
castleparknight wrote:
islander wrote:
Team announced tomorrow. Captain? Have seen George, Itoje & Curry all mentioned, don't believe any backs are in the frame... |
Hasn't Itoje been groomed to take on this mantle? |
at one stage, yes, then Eddie said in his book he still had development to do, then he said after it was published that MO had developed & therefore might be in frame, who knows?
as one tongue-in-cheek tweet (by @roarzz) I read today said:
I think I speak for all rugby fans the world over when I say I can't wait for Eddie Jones to select George Furbank at 10 instead of Marcus Smith
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Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2022 at 11:42
I dont think Itoje will be made captain, I think Curry will get the job and again he will be the starting 8 which is ridiculous as he is one of the best 7s in the World and we have two world class 8s in the squad!!
As for Furbank, a strong club player, but I do not see what he brings to the squad . . players like Lozowski or Malins offer more versatility.
Scotland will be feeling quietly confident as an unstructured game will suit them.
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2022 at 11:48
Runitback wrote:
I dont think Itoje will be made captain, I think Curry will get the job and again he will be the starting 8 which is ridiculous as he is one of the best 7s in the World and we have two world class 8s in the squad!!
As for Furbank, a strong club player, but I do not see what he brings to the squad . . players like Lozowski or Malins offer more versatility.
Scotland will be feeling quietly confident as an unstructured game will suit them. |
I agree, Curry likely to be captain but should play 7 - especially with Underhill out.
Dombrant at 8 for me with Simmonds on the bench
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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2022 at 10:37
Stephen Jones. “Tuilagi’s Twickenham return is perfectly timed” Seriously He has had 1 and half hours rugby and of all the centres England have to choose from they are pinning their hopes on him
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2022 at 14:18
tulip wrote:
Stephen Jones. “Tuilagi’s Twickenham return is perfectly timed”Seriously He has had 1 and half hours rugby and of all the centres England have to choose from they are pinning their hopes on him |
'all the centres England have to choose from'...
not sure we are quite as well off in the particular position (inside/no12) in question - who else is fit and could play there? I'd like to have seen Atkinson given a go, but Eddie - altho' rating him highly enough to cap him in November - appears reluctant. Slade better at 13 IMHO. Maybe I'm overlooking someone?
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Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2022 at 18:19
Dan Kelly . . improving all the time . . . I would also like to see Muir given an run on the wing
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Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2022 at 20:25
tulip wrote:
Stephen Jones. “Tuilagi’s Twickenham return is perfectly timed”Seriously He has had 1 and half hours rugby and of all the centres England have to choose from they are pinning their hopes on him | Tuilagi appears to be made of glass. With his injury record, relying on him for salvation appears ... unwise.
------------- "What I need is a strong drink and a peer group"
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2022 at 22:10
Runitback wrote:
Dan Kelly . . improving all the time . . . I would also like to see Muir given an run on the wing |
Kelly - possibly, however Muir is a long way down the list of wingers
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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2022 at 13:25
"Where are they now" All the discarded English coaches Andy Farrell Ireland Mike Catt Ireland Stuart Lancaster Leinster Graham Rowntree Munster You probably realise I'm Irish but all these coaches discarded by England have signed 2 year contracts at least to stay in their jobs. You can't say Ireland Leinster or Munster are playing rubbish at the moment. So it wasn't the coaches that was the problem for England. THE PLAYERS They are not coming through with the quality they should for a country that has ten times more players than many of the other countries. Under 20's lose to Italy The RFU have no idea what's happening Yet they have a World Cup winning coach Sir Clive Woodward as a TV pundit and Daily Mail critic. Eddie Jones ,Australian Head coach ,Anthony Seibold Australian ,defence coach all on big money I've lived in England for 50 years and I do care This will probably come back to bite me in the b-m at Twickenham.
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Posted By: Deva Delinquent
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2022 at 19:13
tulip wrote:
"Where are they now"All the discarded English coaches Andy Farrell Ireland Mike Catt Ireland Stuart Lancaster Leinster Graham Rowntree Munster You probably realise I'm Irish but all these coaches discarded by England have signed 2 year contracts at least to stay in their jobs. You can't say Ireland Leinster or Munster are playing rubbish at the moment. So it wasn't the coaches that was the problem for England. THE PLAYERS They are not coming through with the quality they should for a country that has ten times more players than many of the other countries. Under 20's lose to Italy The RFU have no idea what's happening Yet they have a World Cup winning coach Sir Clive Woodward as a TV pundit and Daily Mail critic. Eddie Jones ,Australian Head coach ,Anthony Seibold Australian ,defence coach all on big money I've lived in England for 50 years and I do care This will probably come back to bite me in the b-m at Twickenham.
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Where are you getting your playing numbers from?
It's a common misconception that England has the most registered players, but in reality they only rank 3rd (382,154 players) behind South Africa (405,438 players) and France (542,242 players).
Source: http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.therugbypaper.co.uk/guest-blogs/38650/rugby-union-countries-with-most-registered-players-ready-to-know/amp/" rel="nofollow - http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.therugbypaper.co.uk/guest-blogs/38650/rugby-union-countries-with-most-registered-players-ready-to-know/amp/
I personally think England have got the player base and money to be doing a lot better than they have, it's the managers that are holding them back, picking their out of form favourites, not blooding-in new players - looking at you here, Eddie Jones.
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Posted By: front5
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2022 at 00:57
Player base yes vision beyond the boys club from Jones absolutely not.
Still no Radwan - recall May
I half expect he picks curry at 9 as Youngs instead 100% its a absolute shambles- I would love to see Dean Richards at the helm would be a completely different team - firstly they would all want it every te they touched the pitch
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2022 at 20:30
tulip wrote:
Stephen Jones. “Tuilagi’s Twickenham return is perfectly timed”Seriously He has had 1 and half hours rugby and of all the centres England have to choose from they are pinning their hopes on him |
Hamstring. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/60507791" rel="nofollow - England's Manu Tuilagi ruled out against Wales because of injury
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Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2022 at 22:45
CJB1 wrote:
tulip wrote:
Stephen Jones. “Tuilagi’s Twickenham return is perfectly timed”Seriously He has had 1 and half hours rugby and of all the centres England have to choose from they are pinning their hopes on him | Tuilagi appears to be made of glass. With his injury record, relying on him for salvation appears ... unwise. | I hate to say it but ... what did I say?
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Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2022 at 22:45
We have been waiting on Tuilagi to deliver consistently for more than a decade now. Sanderson of Sale said last week MT is in the best shape of his life. Either that is b****cks or Jones has again broken another player at training. Either way we cannot rely on him ever being consistently fit enough to be a serious part of a world cup or any other campaign-we need to look elsewhere
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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2022 at 10:14
It’s so long since I played rugby but I can’t recall anybody being injured training or even warning up before the game. They must be Formula 1 players as opposed to us Ford Cortina in my era. Talking about moving Henry Slade to 12. If he plays 13 that’s it Bring a regular 12
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Posted By: Deva Delinquent
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2022 at 15:41
Tuilagi can't have long left playing now, his hamstring must be shot to pieces for it to keep going like this.
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2022 at 13:44
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/60692979" rel="nofollow - England v Ireland: Sam Simmonds to start at number eight for hosts
England: Steward; Malins, Marchant, Slade, Nowell; Smith, Randall; Genge, George, Sinckler, Itoje, Ewels, Lawes (capt), Curry, Simmonds.
Replacements: Blamire, Marler, Stuart, Launchbury, Dombrandt, Youngs, Ford, Daly. |
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2022 at 13:55
Winter vomiting bug?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/60667484" rel="nofollow - England 'optimistic' unwell Maro Itoje will recover for Ireland game
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