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Topic: 20/21 Provision Fixtures Published
Posted By: quercynomad
Subject: 20/21 Provision Fixtures Published
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2020 at 17:20
These have been released this afternoon based on a 5 September start date heavily caveated that the date might move.

https://www.ncarugby.com/national-1/national-league-2020-21-fixtures-announced-depending-on-rugby-restart-date/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ncarugby.com/national-1/national-league-2020-21-fixtures-announced-depending-on-rugby-restart-date/

Not clear whether the fixture list just moves back with the start date and no real further info on either NCA or RFU website!





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Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2020 at 17:44
Originally posted by quercynomad quercynomad wrote:

These have been released this afternoon based on a 5 September start date heavily caveated that the date might move.

https://www.ncarugby.com/national-1/national-league-2020-21-fixtures-announced-depending-on-rugby-restart-date/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ncarugby.com/national-1/national-league-2020-21-fixtures-announced-depending-on-rugby-restart-date/

Not clear whether the fixture list just moves back with the start date and no real further info on either NCA or RFU website!





RFU announcement gives more info

https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/1e/1e3dd581-3dcb-4e61-9389-f5c07667c51a/NCA%20Fixtures%202020-2021.pdf


Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2020 at 17:47
Originally posted by JonDee JonDee wrote:

Originally posted by quercynomad quercynomad wrote:

These have been released this afternoon based on a 5 September start date heavily caveated that the date might move.

https://www.ncarugby.com/national-1/national-league-2020-21-fixtures-announced-depending-on-rugby-restart-date/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ncarugby.com/national-1/national-league-2020-21-fixtures-announced-depending-on-rugby-restart-date/

Not clear whether the fixture list just moves back with the start date and no real further info on either NCA or RFU website!





RFU announcement gives more info

https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/1e/1e3dd581-3dcb-4e61-9389-f5c07667c51a/NCA%20Fixtures%202020-2021.pdf


try again !!!

https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/1e/1e3dd581-3dcb-4e61-9389-f5c07667c51a/NCA%20Fixtures%202020-2021.pdf


Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2020 at 17:49
Originally posted by JonDee JonDee wrote:

Originally posted by JonDee JonDee wrote:

Originally posted by quercynomad quercynomad wrote:

These have been released this afternoon based on a 5 September start date heavily caveated that the date might move.

https://www.ncarugby.com/national-1/national-league-2020-21-fixtures-announced-depending-on-rugby-restart-date/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ncarugby.com/national-1/national-league-2020-21-fixtures-announced-depending-on-rugby-restart-date/

Not clear whether the fixture list just moves back with the start date and no real further info on either NCA or RFU website!





RFU announcement gives more info

https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/1e/1e3dd581-3dcb-4e61-9389-f5c07667c51a/NCA%20Fixtures%202020-2021.pdf


on the RFU website it gives more info cannot get the link

try again !!!

https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/1e/1e3dd581-3dcb-4e61-9389-f5c07667c51a/NCA%20Fixtures%202020-2021.pdf


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2020 at 17:49
I think we will play those fixtures on those dates. If we start late the missed fixtures get added to the end.

If we start by 3rd October we play all thirty rounds and go on into May.
If not we are into window 2 and play one round of fixtures home or away followed by top 8 / bottom 8.
And if cannot start until after 28th Nov  we go into the third window it is just one round of fixtures.

And if we have not got started by February we call everything off - as there will not be time for 15 matches.



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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2020 at 20:08
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I think we will play those fixtures on those dates. If we start late the missed fixtures get added to the end.

If we start by 3rd October we play all thirty rounds and go on into May.
If not we are into window 2 and play one round of fixtures home or away followed by top 8 / bottom 8.
And if cannot start until after 28th Nov  we go into the third window it is just one round of fixtures.

And if we have not got started by February we call everything off - as there will not be time for 15 matches.



Those scenarios make sense - cannot believe RFU had anything to do with it.

However, I seriously doubt we will start 5th September - but hopefully I am wrong.

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Posted By: GazJo12
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2020 at 21:20
At last some tangible information for us to get our teeth although worst case scenario we know the "Conferences" in each league, although I concur the 5th September in my opinion is slightly optimistic, hope I am wrong and the governing body are correct.



Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2020 at 22:37
There are no conferences in the National Leagues.
Apparently it is fine to travel from Plymouth to Darlington - and not just to check ones eyesight.

Let's hope we do get some rugby.


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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 08:51
But remember if you take the coach to Bernard Castle you will have to book in advance😂😂😂

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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 09:46
Just read an article in the Telegraph.

Apparently the RFU still haven't submitted their road map to restarting play to the government! Why not, what have they been doing for the past months - football has already done their's for grass roots resumption.

Also the article is still discussing various options including 2 touch rugby with 8 plays to score (sounds like rugby league to me) also versions of the game without scrums, rucks and mauls.

It does however state that clubs will not be forced to accept any hybrid type game, acknowledging that some clubs aren't interested until proper rugby union can resume.

At no point do crowds get mentioned!

In light of this rugby restarting 5th September is pie in the sky🤔🤔

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Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 10:28
Agree with what Raider just wrote in addition can't say I take any comfort from the fact that after two rounds of testing of Premiership Squads just 1% of those tested have CV-19. Their test groups where 800 and 856. So if we use the RFU's GMS data we have 350K Registered 1st XV players, that would equate 3500 may have contracted CV-19...….that works out at just under 2 players per Club 1st XVs...……………….. would you take to the field knowing that possibly 4 people on it could infect you with a life challenging virus?
 
 


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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 10:34
I think your maths are off.

If one person in a hundred are infected and there are 43 people on tee pitch then your would expect less than one to be infected.

For a man under 30 playing rugby the risk of death from from covid is probably in the same order as the risk of being paralysed. So should we all play tag?

No the supporters in the crowd are a different matter.


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Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 10:37
Do those figures add up?  If those tests return 1% positive then why does it jump to over 10% when you apply it to the RFU GMS data?
[edit] thinking along the same lines as Camquin


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 11:16
Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Do those figures add up?  If those tests return 1% positive then why does it jump to over 10% when you apply it to the RFU GMS data?
[edit] thinking along the same lines as Camquin


1% of 350k is 3,500 as PiffPaff stated. Not sure where you get 10% from?

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Posted By: quercynomad
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 11:20
More how you jump from 3500 to 2 players per first XV (=10%)

If you stick with 1% then with 43 players on the pitch less than 1 person every 2 games would be expected to be positive 


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 11:23
Mark, its a sample and 1% of 350000 is 3500 is it not? The number of participating 1st XVs is roughly 1600, 3500/1600 = 2.18.
 
Think I may have stated this badly, but it two separate tests groups about 1% of those Premiership Squads (1686 in total) Tested are positive. These are the elite end of the game, I very much doubt your average Club player has been in a totally Covid free environment. If you take the sample of the two tests and say that the rest of the rugby playing population will have the same rate then 1% of 350K is 3500.
 
If anyone thinks Rugby is coming back to your local Club in Window 1 I would suggest you think again. For the RFU to suggest as per the article in the Telegraph that a form of Touch Rugby is the way forward is well pointless, how many Front Rowers want to chase Wingers around all game?
 
I'll say it now, rugby other than the elite side with regular testing will NOT be back before 2021.


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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 11:25
The RFU roadmap for returning to rugby has been available on their website for some weeks. What they haven’t done is worked out how to get back to full contact. Sensibly they have been waiting to see how the Premiership worked and also are waiting on the Government itself. If you read the RFU twice-weekly bulletins you’ll know how hard they are working on this!

Yes, they are looking at reduced contact options but that is for the lower levels, not NCA levels. We need crowds but, as has been pointed out, while the players are Under 30 and low risk, our crowds are largely over 60 and therefore high risk. 

Nobody can yet say when rugby will restart, in the same way nobody can say when restrictions on pubs and restaurants will ease. If you know what Dominic Cummings’ Plan for us all is, please share it!


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 11:27
Originally posted by quercynomad quercynomad wrote:

More how you jump from 3500 to 2 players per first XV (=10%)

If you stick with 1% then with 43 players on the pitch less than 1 person every 2 games would be expected to be positive 


Agreed on that, but MJ stated PPs figures jumped from 1 to 10% - just pointing out they didn't.

As for the crowd - I would say most are either above 60 or below 20 - most of the former are reluctant to venture out - most of the latter don't seem to obey the social distancing anyway.

Besides, as I said the article in Telegraph doesn't mention crowds at all.

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Posted By: hills17
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 11:58
Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Mark, its a sample and 1% of 350000 is 3500 is it not? The number of participating 1st XVs is roughly 1600, 3500/1600 = 2.18.
 
Think I may have stated this badly, but it two separate tests groups about 1% of those Premiership Squads (1686 in total) Tested are positive. These are the elite end of the game, I very much doubt your average Club player has been in a totally Covid free environment. If you take the sample of the two tests and say that the rest of the rugby playing population will have the same rate then 1% of 350K is 3500.
 
If anyone thinks Rugby is coming back to your local Club in Window 1 I would suggest you think again. For the RFU to suggest as per the article in the Telegraph that a form of Touch Rugby is the way forward is well pointless, how many Front Rowers want to chase Wingers around all game?
 
I'll say it now, rugby other than the elite side with regular testing will NOT be back before 2021.
 
Doesn't seem so daunting now the 2021 thought, people were saying it back along. Hoping some can get going before then. I know we are running out of time for September but does almost feel like world is getting back.
 
Touch rugby for a while to get clubs open/ game moving? Adapt whilst need to etc. Recently back to the pub, adapted to new way, just good to be back.
 
Seen a mention refer to the Darlington/ Plymouth distance, done this over the years as one of many trips but even I know rugby is one of the most contactable sports out there so important to be safe etc. Seeing protests and beaches packed in recent weeks make me think hope rugby is not left behind because of it's contactable nature.


Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 12:41
The sample of Premiership Rugby returned 1% positive.  But you go on to say that if you apply the figures to the game as a whole it equates to 2 players per 1st XV, or four players per match.  Four players out of 40 (including replacements) is 10%.



Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 13:31
Ok so lets just say then 1% of 350000 who would be normally running a round the paddock on the 5th September could be CV-19 positive it makes it easier to grasp. The concept is based on an average, I suppose its not impossible to have all 3500 in the same city or region the averaging of 2 possible carriers per team is just that, an average. So again you may potentially have 2 players per 1st XV.
 
Another point that everyone seems to be missing is they sampled 800 first time round and removed the 10 infected people out of the equation, then 7 days later tested a slightly larger sample and found a further 9 more cases.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/53422148" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/53422148
 


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Posted By: quercynomad
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 13:36
Where do you get the 350,000 number from and how do you go from 3500 to 2 per team?

Up thread it was stated that there are 350,000 players registered as 1st XV on GMS and approximated 1600 1st XVs which suggests there are 218 1st XV players for each of those teams.....



Posted By: front5
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 14:35
Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

would you take to the field knowing that possibly 4 people on it could infect you with a life challenging virus?
 
 

In a heartbeat....

I am 36 played for a number of clubs, in their respective 1st, 2nd, and 3rd teams. Even played prop last year when a local team were short. It is all about risk, the chase of catching Covid-19 in a 2 minute scrum is less likely than a trip to see a family member, and sitting down with a cup of tea.

Players don’t sit in a dressing room thinking – will I catch Covid – will I get injured – or will this be my last ever match. We play the game because we love it. If a player decides they or their family are at risk, they will make an informed decision based on their interests and the interests of their loved ones. If they decide they are not going to play until there is a vaccine or until 2022 that is up to them, I am sure their club will be involved and supportive in the matter.

Crowds, are a long way off I fear, however for any persons who are in need of a rugby fix, do what I have done - sign back on for your local club, whatever level it is, even for the Vets or in a coaching capacity of minis or juniors.




Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 14:58
I think that there are two main problems with producing fixtures for the 5th September onward. Firstly how can a club at this moment arrange transport based on these fixtures. Especially if you have to book train tickets for 30 people, early booking will give you significant discounts with a high probably of a cancellation or wait until last minute and have to pay full far which could double the cost. 
The same would apply to coach travel, having said that it is easier to cancel them at the last minute. 

The second issue is with most of level 3 players working there is a greater risk of Covid contacts. you cannot compare any rugby with the premiership players who are fully professional, can isolate on bubbles and are regularly tested, no club outside the Premiership could afford to test their players the cost would be outside their budgets. 

So at what point are the NCA going to tell us when the actual start date is.it is now only 7 weeks to the proposed first fixture.  


Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 15:29
The RFU has always said it would give 6 weeks’ notice of the restart so that is by the end of next week. Then they have plans to start at the beginning of each month after that. The Championship thread says Geoff Irvine is suggesting a December/January start. From a financial POV getting a pre- Christmas game in with lunch and a crowd could be really useful.


Posted By: semisonic
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 21:59
I could see November being the start date based on no second wave... while cases are up this week the marked change to lockdown suggested this would be the case and if cases begin to fall again next week we will have passed a danger point. Can't see any chance of accelerating through from B to F of the roadmap (small groups to full contact) in the next week so I don't expect a game in September below the Prem.

Can see crowds being allowed at restart with minimal distancing outside and mask/full distancing in the clubhouse should levels decrease enough to allow play (part F of the roadmap). 


Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2020 at 11:16
Window 1 on the road map states if games can be played before 3rd October then full fixtures list of 30 will be played any games missed will be fitted into the season.
Window 2 After 3rd October and before 28th November - 15 fixtures will be played followed by two conferences of 8 teams from the top and bottom of the league will play home and away. 
Window 3 - starting after 28th Nov. and before 30th January - just 15 fixtures will be played home or away. 
Any delays in the start date clubs will be able to continue into May.
I think window 1 is very doubtful and window 2 could depend on the risk of a second wave. The problem is that at the moment without a vaccine community rugby will be a risk , if one player is found positive after a game then both teams will have to self isolate. This could cause cancellations.



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