Pirates crowdfunding
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Topic: Pirates crowdfunding
Posted By: gerg_861
Subject: Pirates crowdfunding
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2023 at 19:59
I am surprised that no one yet has mentioned that Pirates and Truro are doing a crowdfunder/crowd investment drive. I would have happily chipped in if it had been for S4C, but it seems to be about paying player costs. Not sure that makes sense.
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Posted By: One For The Ditch
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2023 at 09:15
It’s called “Burning Money”
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Posted By: Fly Half
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2023 at 10:24
Its called begging and theres far too much of it in rugby union.
Live within your means, easy.
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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2023 at 12:50
[QUOTE=Fly Half] Its called begging and theres far too much of it in rugby union.
Live within your means, easy.
[/QUOTEI don’t have a problem with that. Do whatever you can to make your club successful and attract better players hopefully to attract more spectators With the exception of a few clubs most could accommodate more spectators so try a few promotions by halving the entrance fee and make more on the add ons in the bar Lets be fair Championship level of attendance is probably about on par if that with Vandarama football
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Posted By: *Stalwart
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2023 at 13:17
Surprised at some of the negativity about this. I'll be happy to "invest" a few quid to support the club and Dicky Evans, who has spent a staggering amount of money backing the Pirates over a long period. Hopefully there will be plenty of others who feel the same.
------------- *Stalwart
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2023 at 14:43
Surely the best way to support a rugby team financially is by paying a commercially sensible price for a season ticket. I paid £150 last year for a season ticket (11 league + 3 cup matches) and £30 for 3 pre-season games against premiership clubs. Average a tad over £10 a game. The solution to the financial problems in rugby should surely start with supporters paying more at the turnstile.
------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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Posted By: *Stalwart
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2023 at 15:16
corporalcarrot wrote:
Surely the best way to support a rugby team financially is by paying a commercially sensible price for a season ticket. I paid £150 last year for a season ticket (11 league + 3 cup matches) and £30 for 3 pre-season games against premiership clubs. Average a tad over £10 a game. The solution to the financial problems in rugby should surely start with supporters paying more at the turnstile. |
Yes, but it's a delicate balance. Price too high and people simply won't pay it, and they'll find something else to do. I may be wrong, but I think this is what has happened at Exeter Chiefs - it's become unaffordable for many ordinary people struggling with the cost of living at the moment. I read recently that crowds are down 12% at Sandy park.
------------- *Stalwart
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Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2023 at 15:41
It all depends, Blues have just increased their prices having frozen them for about 3 seasons. They probably operate at the highest cost in the league (anyone higher?) and have the largest attendance.
Match Day tickets (Adults) Ground £23.50 Stand £27.50 Although they usually sell them for £2 cheaper if bought online in advance.
Season Tickets (Adults) Early Bird Ground £249 Stand £299
Standard Ground £289 Stand £339
It does give 15 games, 11 league, 3 cup and friendly with Saints plus if you want to watch the Women’s team
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2023 at 16:15
I think all clubs look to find ways to get supporters who can to give them more money than just a season ticket, whether through a 100 club or through crowdfunding.
------------- Sweeney Delenda Est
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2023 at 16:38
*Stalwart wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
Surely the best way to support a rugby team financially is by paying a commercially sensible price for a season ticket. I paid £150 last year for a season ticket (11 league + 3 cup matches) and £30 for 3 pre-season games against premiership clubs. Average a tad over £10 a game. The solution to the financial problems in rugby should surely start with supporters paying more at the turnstile. |
Yes, but it's a delicate balance. Price too high and people simply won't pay it, and they'll find something else to do. I may be wrong, but I think this is what has happened at Exeter Chiefs - it's become unaffordable for many ordinary people struggling with the cost of living at the moment. I read recently that crowds are down 12% at Sandy park. | You sum it up well mate but frankly its a sad reflection when the "going rate is a tad over £10 a match" for watching a team who ultimately won their league. Everyone wants someone else to pay for their entertainment but if they increase the rate to £20-£25 a match it would still be great value imo and raise a decent sum. What does it cost to watch a Championship soccer match?
------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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Posted By: *Stalwart
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2023 at 17:25
The Blues wrote:
It all depends, Blues have just increased their prices having frozen them for about 3 seasons. They probably operate at the highest cost in the league (anyone higher?) and have the largest attendance.
Match Day tickets (Adults) Ground £23.50 Stand £27.50 Although they usually sell them for £2 cheaper if bought online in advance.
Season Tickets (Adults) Early Bird Ground £249 Stand £299
Standard Ground £289 Stand £339
It does give 15 games, 11 league, 3 cup and friendly with Saints plus if you want to watch the Women’s team |
The support Bedford get is brilliant - attracting 2/3000 for matches certainly helps with income. We were achieving those numbers when we played at Camborne, but since we moved back to Penzance our crowds did fall away. We haven't been as successful as in days gone by and this impacts on crowds as well. This is why we wanted to move to Truro and fought so long and hard for the new stadium - more central location and easier for people who live in central/east Cornwall. Cornwall is a very financially depressed region and wages are very low compared to the national average. So, asking people to pay more for their rugby is a big ask.
------------- *Stalwart
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Posted By: front5
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2023 at 17:30
corporalcarrot wrote:
*Stalwart wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
Surely the best way to support a rugby team financially is by paying a commercially sensible price for a season ticket. I paid £150 last year for a season ticket (11 league + 3 cup matches) and £30 for 3 pre-season games against premiership clubs. Average a tad over £10 a game. The solution to the financial problems in rugby should surely start with supporters paying more at the turnstile. |
Yes, but it's a delicate balance. Price too high and people simply won't pay it, and they'll find something else to do. I may be wrong, but I think this is what has happened at Exeter Chiefs - it's become unaffordable for many ordinary people struggling with the cost of living at the moment. I read recently that crowds are down 12% at Sandy park. | You sum it up well mate but frankly its a sad reflection when the "going rate is a tad over £10 a match" for watching a team who ultimately won their league. Everyone wants someone else to pay for their entertainment but if they increase the rate to £20-£25 a match it would still be great value imo and raise a decent sum. What does it cost to watch a Championship soccer match? |
Most championship football match tickets can be obtained for free via sky VIP.
£25 for a ticket doesn’t leave many coppers for the 8 pints, pie and peas and the taxi home it makes the game almost a £100 before evening beers and late night takeaway.
If the kids are about that would be 4 x beers and 4 x match fee! Teenagers!!!!
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2023 at 18:48
front5 wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
*Stalwart wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
Surely the best way to support a rugby team financially is by paying a commercially sensible price for a season ticket. I paid £150 last year for a season ticket (11 league + 3 cup matches) and £30 for 3 pre-season games against premiership clubs. Average a tad over £10 a game. The solution to the financial problems in rugby should surely start with supporters paying more at the turnstile. |
Yes, but it's a delicate balance. Price too high and people simply won't pay it, and they'll find something else to do. I may be wrong, but I think this is what has happened at Exeter Chiefs - it's become unaffordable for many ordinary people struggling with the cost of living at the moment. I read recently that crowds are down 12% at Sandy park. | You sum it up well mate but frankly its a sad reflection when the "going rate is a tad over £10 a match" for watching a team who ultimately won their league. Everyone wants someone else to pay for their entertainment but if they increase the rate to £20-£25 a match it would still be great value imo and raise a decent sum. What does it cost to watch a Championship soccer match? |
Most championship football match tickets can be obtained for free via sky VIP.
£25 for a ticket doesn’t leave many coppers for the 8 pints, pie and peas and the taxi home it makes the game almost a £100 before evening beers and late night takeaway.
If the kids are about that would be 4 x beers and 4 x match fee! Teenagers!!!! | How much is a Taylor's Pork Pie & a pint of Strongarm?
------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2023 at 19:07
The Blues wrote:
It all depends, Blues have just increased their prices having frozen them for about 3 seasons. They probably operate at the highest cost in the league (anyone higher?) and have the largest attendance.
Match Day tickets (Adults) Ground £23.50 Stand £27.50 Although they usually sell them for £2 cheaper if bought online in advance.
Season Tickets (Adults) Early Bird Ground £249 Stand £299
Standard Ground £289 Stand £339
It does give 15 games, 11 league, 3 cup and friendly with Saints plus if you want to watch the Women’s team |
I tend to only go to league games, so I don’t find any benefits in a season ticket. Work schedule might mean I miss a game so 10 games would be £28.90, will stick to ma5ch by match.
------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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Posted By: Redted
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2023 at 20:59
In the end it’s up to the individual if they want to support this scheme. The Pirates have been very open in the proposal in stating that it is high risk and you could lose all of your money. The last return available on line, June 22, shows net liabilities of 5.8 million up from 4.25 million the previous year. I’m no expert in reading these documents but this total includes a large low interest Covid loan. Buyer beware etc
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2023 at 07:57
Is there even a link to it? I can't seem to find one
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2023 at 08:57
Robb wrote:
Is there even a link to it? I can't seem to find one |
Easily found -
https://cornish-pirates.com/rugby/cornish-pirates-and-truro-city-fc-to-launch-groundbreaking-search-for-investors/?cn-reloaded=1" rel="nofollow - https://cornish-pirates.com/rugby/cornish-pirates-and-truro-city-fc-to-launch-groundbreaking-search-for-investors/?cn-reloaded=1
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Posted By: Neasham
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2023 at 09:22
corporalcarrot wrote:
front5 wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
*Stalwart wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
Surely the best way to support a rugby team financially is by paying a commercially sensible price for a season ticket. I paid £150 last year for a season ticket (11 league + 3 cup matches) and £30 for 3 pre-season games against premiership clubs. Average a tad over £10 a game. The solution to the financial problems in rugby should surely start with supporters paying more at the turnstile. |
Yes, but it's a delicate balance. Price too high and people simply won't pay it, and they'll find something else to do. I may be wrong, but I think this is what has happened at Exeter Chiefs - it's become unaffordable for many ordinary people struggling with the cost of living at the moment. I read recently that crowds are down 12% at Sandy park. | You sum it up well mate but frankly its a sad reflection when the "going rate is a tad over £10 a match" for watching a team who ultimately won their league. Everyone wants someone else to pay for their entertainment but if they increase the rate to £20-£25 a match it would still be great value imo and raise a decent sum. What does it cost to watch a Championship soccer match? |
Most championship football match tickets can be obtained for free via sky VIP.
£25 for a ticket doesn’t leave many coppers for the 8 pints, pie and peas and the taxi home it makes the game almost a £100 before evening beers and late night takeaway.
If the kids are about that would be 4 x beers and 4 x match fee! Teenagers!!!! | How much is a Taylor's Pork Pie & a pint of Strongarm? |
Strongarm - now there’s a blast from a debauched past ! (For the rest of the country a Ruby red bitter brewed by Cameron’s in Hartlepool. Don’t know whether it is still brewed).
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2023 at 15:17
Neasham wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
front5 wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
*Stalwart wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
Surely the best way to support a rugby team financially is by paying a commercially sensible price for a season ticket. I paid £150 last year for a season ticket (11 league + 3 cup matches) and £30 for 3 pre-season games against premiership clubs. Average a tad over £10 a game. The solution to the financial problems in rugby should surely start with supporters paying more at the turnstile. |
Yes, but it's a delicate balance. Price too high and people simply won't pay it, and they'll find something else to do. I may be wrong, but I think this is what has happened at Exeter Chiefs - it's become unaffordable for many ordinary people struggling with the cost of living at the moment. I read recently that crowds are down 12% at Sandy park. | You sum it up well mate but frankly its a sad reflection when the "going rate is a tad over £10 a match" for watching a team who ultimately won their league. Everyone wants someone else to pay for their entertainment but if they increase the rate to £20-£25 a match it would still be great value imo and raise a decent sum. What does it cost to watch a Championship soccer match? |
Most championship football match tickets can be obtained for free via sky VIP.
£25 for a ticket doesn’t leave many coppers for the 8 pints, pie and peas and the taxi home it makes the game almost a £100 before evening beers and late night takeaway.
If the kids are about that would be 4 x beers and 4 x match fee! Teenagers!!!! | How much is a Taylor's Pork Pie & a pint of Strongarm? |
Strongarm - now there’s a blast from a debauched past ! (For the rest of the country a Ruby red bitter brewed by Cameron’s in Hartlepool. Don’t know whether it is still brewed).
| Groan the hand pulled Strongarm in the Buck at Sadberge was worth getting the bus home for. Back in the day Zisslers would give Taylors pies a run for their money - the lad in charge of the shop played for Darlington RFC.
------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2023 at 15:54
corporalcarrot wrote:
Neasham wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
front5 wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
*Stalwart wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
Surely the best way to support a rugby team financially is by paying a commercially sensible price for a season ticket. I paid £150 last year for a season ticket (11 league + 3 cup matches) and £30 for 3 pre-season games against premiership clubs. Average a tad over £10 a game. The solution to the financial problems in rugby should surely start with supporters paying more at the turnstile. |
Yes, but it's a delicate balance. Price too high and people simply won't pay it, and they'll find something else to do. I may be wrong, but I think this is what has happened at Exeter Chiefs - it's become unaffordable for many ordinary people struggling with the cost of living at the moment. I read recently that crowds are down 12% at Sandy park. | You sum it up well mate but frankly its a sad reflection when the "going rate is a tad over £10 a match" for watching a team who ultimately won their league. Everyone wants someone else to pay for their entertainment but if they increase the rate to £20-£25 a match it would still be great value imo and raise a decent sum. What does it cost to watch a Championship soccer match? |
Most championship football match tickets can be obtained for free via sky VIP.
£25 for a ticket doesn’t leave many coppers for the 8 pints, pie and peas and the taxi home it makes the game almost a £100 before evening beers and late night takeaway.
If the kids are about that would be 4 x beers and 4 x match fee! Teenagers!!!! | How much is a Taylor's Pork Pie & a pint of Strongarm? |
Strongarm - now there’s a blast from a debauched past ! (For the rest of the country a Ruby red bitter brewed by Cameron’s in Hartlepool. Don’t know whether it is still brewed).
| Groan the hand pulled Strongarm in the Buck at Sadberge was worth getting the bus home for. Back in the day Zisslers would give Taylors pies a run for their money - the lad in charge of the shop played for Darlington RFC. |
It’s Sedbergh. And Strongarm is still brewed, albeit under different ownership. I was marketing manager at Cameron’s in the early 90s.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2023 at 15:57
I remember Strongarm being available in a couple of pubs in York in the mid-late 1980s...
It's still brewed: https://cameronsbrewery.com/heritage-new/" rel="nofollow - https://cameronsbrewery.com/heritage-new/
Wikipedia says Camerons is the 9th-largest brewery in UK
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2023 at 17:10
cheshire exile wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
Neasham wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
front5 wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
*Stalwart wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
Surely the best way to support a rugby team financially is by paying a commercially sensible price for a season ticket. I paid £150 last year for a season ticket (11 league + 3 cup matches) and £30 for 3 pre-season games against premiership clubs. Average a tad over £10 a game. The solution to the financial problems in rugby should surely start with supporters paying more at the turnstile. |
Yes, but it's a delicate balance. Price too high and people simply won't pay it, and they'll find something else to do. I may be wrong, but I think this is what has happened at Exeter Chiefs - it's become unaffordable for many ordinary people struggling with the cost of living at the moment. I read recently that crowds are down 12% at Sandy park. | You sum it up well mate but frankly its a sad reflection when the "going rate is a tad over £10 a match" for watching a team who ultimately won their league. Everyone wants someone else to pay for their entertainment but if they increase the rate to £20-£25 a match it would still be great value imo and raise a decent sum. What does it cost to watch a Championship soccer match? |
Most championship football match tickets can be obtained for free via sky VIP.
£25 for a ticket doesn’t leave many coppers for the 8 pints, pie and peas and the taxi home it makes the game almost a £100 before evening beers and late night takeaway.
If the kids are about that would be 4 x beers and 4 x match fee! Teenagers!!!! | How much is a Taylor's Pork Pie & a pint of Strongarm? |
Strongarm - now there’s a blast from a debauched past ! (For the rest of the country a Ruby red bitter brewed by Cameron’s in Hartlepool. Don’t know whether it is still brewed).
| Groan the hand pulled Strongarm in the Buck at Sadberge was worth getting the bus home for. Back in the day Zisslers would give Taylors pies a run for their money - the lad in charge of the shop played for Darlington RFC. |
It’s Sedbergh. And Strongarm is still brewed, albeit under different ownership. I was marketing manager at Cameron’s in the early 90s. | Definitely the Buck Inn at Sadberge mate a couple of miles East of Darlington.
------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2023 at 21:12
Strongarm is still around, her and me stayed at the Pier Inn in Whitby a few years ago, 2017 I think, a Cameron's pub with Strongarm on handpull, as I remembered it from the late seventies when I lived up that way.
Mind you, the best drinking experience on that stay was Sam Smith's Old Brewery Bitter at £1.95 a pint, doubt that it's that price now.
------------- "What I need is a strong drink and a peer group"
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Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2023 at 21:21
islander wrote:
I remember Strongarm being available in a couple of pubs in York in the mid-late 1980s...
It's still brewed: https://cameronsbrewery.com/heritage-new/" rel="nofollow - https://cameronsbrewery.com/heritage-new/
Wikipedia says Camerons is the 9th-largest brewery in UK |
Cameron’s bought John J. Hunt of York; they had a couple of dozen pubs in and around York when I was there, but our bitter was the core beer; Strongarm was a Teesside phenomenon.
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Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2023 at 21:21
corporalcarrot wrote:
cheshire exile wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
Neasham wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
front5 wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
*Stalwart wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
Surely the best way to support a rugby team financially is by paying a commercially sensible price for a season ticket. I paid £150 last year for a season ticket (11 league + 3 cup matches) and £30 for 3 pre-season games against premiership clubs. Average a tad over £10 a game. The solution to the financial problems in rugby should surely start with supporters paying more at the turnstile. |
Yes, but it's a delicate balance. Price too high and people simply won't pay it, and they'll find something else to do. I may be wrong, but I think this is what has happened at Exeter Chiefs - it's become unaffordable for many ordinary people struggling with the cost of living at the moment. I read recently that crowds are down 12% at Sandy park. | You sum it up well mate but frankly its a sad reflection when the "going rate is a tad over £10 a match" for watching a team who ultimately won their league. Everyone wants someone else to pay for their entertainment but if they increase the rate to £20-£25 a match it would still be great value imo and raise a decent sum. What does it cost to watch a Championship soccer match? |
Most championship football match tickets can be obtained for free via sky VIP.
£25 for a ticket doesn’t leave many coppers for the 8 pints, pie and peas and the taxi home it makes the game almost a £100 before evening beers and late night takeaway.
If the kids are about that would be 4 x beers and 4 x match fee! Teenagers!!!! | How much is a Taylor's Pork Pie & a pint of Strongarm? |
Strongarm - now there’s a blast from a debauched past ! (For the rest of the country a Ruby red bitter brewed by Cameron’s in Hartlepool. Don’t know whether it is still brewed).
| Groan the hand pulled Strongarm in the Buck at Sadberge was worth getting the bus home for. Back in the day Zisslers would give Taylors pies a run for their money - the lad in charge of the shop played for Darlington RFC. |
It’s Sedbergh. And Strongarm is still brewed, albeit under different ownership. I was marketing manager at Cameron’s in the early 90s. | Definitely the Buck Inn at Sadberge mate a couple of miles East of Darlington. |
apologies, not come across that Buck.
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Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2023 at 22:52
cheshire exile wrote:
islander wrote:
I remember Strongarm being available in a couple of pubs in York in the mid-late 1980s...
It's still brewed: https://cameronsbrewery.com/heritage-new/" rel="nofollow - https://cameronsbrewery.com/heritage-new/
Wikipedia says Camerons is the 9th-largest brewery in UK |
Cameron’s bought John J. Hunt of York; they had a couple of dozen pubs in and around York when I was there, but our bitter was the core beer; Strongarm was a Teesside phenomenon. | My understanding was that Cameron's Best Bitter was a recipe inherited when they took over Russell's and Wrangham's of Malton, with quite a large pub estate south of the North York Moors. It was rare to find Strongarm and Best Bitter in the same pub, they were marketed at distinct areas. When the Lord Raglan opened in Middlesbrough in the early eighties with both on tap it was quite a novelty, albeit a welcome one for me at least.
------------- "What I need is a strong drink and a peer group"
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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2023 at 09:00
cheshire exile wrote:
Strongarm was a Teesside phenomenon.
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Except for that couple of decades(?) when Camerons was owned by Banks's - which saw 'Strongarm Taphouses' turning up all over the West Midlands. My local in Kidderminster at the time was one. You could have anything you wanted, as long as what you wanted was Strongarm, or Banks's Mild.
Cameron's is on the very very short list of breweries that Banks's bought then sold again - no one else has escaped the borg. Ruthless lot they are - when they bought Marstons they decided it was the better brand, so changed their own group name from Wolverhampton and Dudley Breweries to Marstons...
------------- keep the faith
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2023 at 09:45
billesleyexile wrote:
cheshire exile wrote:
Strongarm was a Teesside phenomenon.
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Except for that couple of decades(?) when Camerons was owned by Banks's - which saw 'Strongarm Taphouses' turning up all over the West Midlands. My local in Kidderminster at the time was one. You could have anything you wanted, as long as what you wanted was Strongarm, or Banks's Mild.
Cameron's is on the very very short list of breweries that Banks's bought then sold again - no one else has escaped the borg. Ruthless lot they are - when they bought Marstons they decided it was the better brand, so changed their own group name from Wolverhampton and Dudley Breweries to Marstons... | Pedigree was half decent back in the day. Didn't Marstons do some deal with Carlsberg a couple of years ago?
------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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Posted By: Neasham
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2023 at 10:25
Info from my golf partners yesterday . Strongarm is on at the Buck in Sadberge because the bloke who now owns Cameron’s lives in the village. Strongarm last sampled by mate at West Hartlepool where it was apparently as good as ever. Hopefully on when Stockton play there this season
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2023 at 10:28
Yes, they set up a Joint Venture. But we are now several hundred miles off topic.
------------- Sweeney Delenda Est
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Posted By: *Stalwart
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2023 at 12:35
Camquin wrote:
Yes, they set up a Joint Venture. But we are now several hundred miles off topic.
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That's true!
------------- *Stalwart
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Posted By: HookerPaul
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2023 at 13:18
Should any of the aforementioned breweries be interested in The Pirates Crowdfunding appeal I am sure we would welcome them with open arms.
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