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Topic: Promotion poll
Posted By: corporalcarrot
Subject: Promotion poll
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2020 at 08:39
I would promote Falcons as they have been head and shoulders the best club this year but for wholly selfish reasons I would have a 13 club league next time around and promote the best two after playoffs. In reality I would leave it to those proper people at the RFU to untangle the gorgon's knot.

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Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.



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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 13:29
CC a relegation poll alongside this would be useful

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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!


Posted By: Guinness John
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 13:47
Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

CC a relegation poll alongside this would be useful
And probably just as emphatic. In both instances, the "obvious " must happen. But let's wait and see, hope I'm wrong but something tells me it might not be quite so obvious to the RFU.

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Bedford Blues Supporter of the Year 2010 - 2011


Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 12:42
That is my fear too Guinness John - more slippery than a jellied eel.

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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!


Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 14:05
I think I will leave relegation to others to opine upon. I hope all clubs, players and supporters come through all this and I can watch rugby again next season.

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Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.


Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 15:58
This may be pessimistic but I think the start of the season will be delayed. Everyday there is news that indicates we are in this for the long haul.




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Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.


Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 22:36
Falcons have been better than Irish and have had no one to challenge them and at worst they are curre 13 points ahead. Would they go and lost 2 or 3 games and Ealing/Pirates to go unbeaten? No!


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 22:57
Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

This may be pessimistic but I think the start of the season will be delayed. Everyday there is news that indicates we are in this for the long haul.

Could be a long haul, unlike Ealing's legal case.


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All Knwoing All Seeing


Posted By: Cov kid 42
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2020 at 09:33
I really struggle, as many others do, to side with Ealing's position.
If there is promotion & there should be, Newcastle by a country mile


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Posted By: Guinness John
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2020 at 18:19
Very simple I know, so no chance of being done .   Promote and relegate on the current league positions, with the normal amount of places.   There will be had luck stories, hopefully not too many, they would have agreed if it had suited them.  There all done without involving the pools panel, lawyers, or Pythagoras. Anybody else as bored ?

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Bedford Blues Supporter of the Year 2010 - 2011


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2020 at 19:24
Originally posted by Guinness John Guinness John wrote:

Very simple I know, so no chance of being done .   Promote and relegate on the current league positions, with the normal amount of places.   There will be had luck stories, hopefully not too many, they would have agreed if it had suited them.  There all done without involving the pools panel, lawyers, or Pythagoras. Anybody else as bored ?


Yes and no, I am able to get through a backlog of Super Rugby Recordings - rationing myself because I don't see any live sport happening before the end of May at the earliest.

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Posted By: Cherub
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2020 at 11:35
I agree with Guinness John. Saracens and Newcastle Falcons switch positions. Saracens relegation is already a matter of record. And anyone that does not see Newcastle Falcons as worthy champions must live on a different planet. Yorkshire Carnegie must depart to National League 1 and be replaced by Richmond. You then work down the pyramid, take the leagues as they stand, and confirm the promotions and relegations accordingly. There will be hardships. Some clubs will feel lucky. Some will feel hard done by. But surely the problems pale into insignificance to what is going on in the big world.

But of course this plan is too simple for the likes of the RFU so it won’t happen.

In February I was diagnosed with prostate cancer. Two weeks ago I underwent major surgery. I am now recovering but I am 70 with mild asthma. I am lucky enough to have my wife to look after me as I cannot visit or be visited by any one else in my family. I love my rugby and cannot believe the recent success of my old club, Ampthill. I therefore visit this forum regularly. But lately there is too much negativity. The fat cats at the RFU appear clueless and out of touch, whilst the fat cat solicitors seem to be imposing themselves everywhere. Shame on the RFU. And shame on the solicitors.

And apologies to all. A standard response turned into a rant. Rant over.


Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2020 at 14:46
Stay safe and get well soon Cherub 

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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!


Posted By: Cherub
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2020 at 14:52
Cheers, castleparknight. Living near Harrogate and the Doncaster v Ampthill game was one I had earmarked to go and see. I look forward to seeing you next season.


Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 08:20
I see that the Scottish Union have adopted the same policy as Wales, Ireland and Italy i.e. Season 2019/20 is classified as null & void, with no automatic promotion or relegation.
 
I think this leaves the RFU with one of two choices:
a) Follow the same lead as all of the other home nation Unions or;
b) Apply the Regs as they stood at the begining of the season.
 
Personally, I hope they settle for b).


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All Knwoing All Seeing


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 11:57
Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:


I see that the Scottish Union have adopted the same policy as Wales, Ireland and Italy i.e. Season 2019/20 is classified as null & void, with no automatic promotion or relegation.
 
I think this leaves the RFU with one of two choices:
a) Follow the same lead as all of the other home nation Unions or;
b) Apply the Regs as they stood at the begining of the season.
 
Personally, I hope they settle for b).




I agree, is it may be possible that the other unions have no regs to cover this unlike the RFU?

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RAID ON


Posted By: Member728
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 12:26
In the rules if a game is abandoned after 60 mins the score stands if before  the game  has to be replayed
Why not adopt the same percentage  for the season


Posted By: Dan Gleebles
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 12:48
Sarries down, Falcons up.
From Championship down no relegation (yes Leeds remain) 
From Nat 1 down current leaders promoted.
1 extra team per division excluding Prem. 
Sorted.


Posted By: The Perfect Ten
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 12:54
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:


I see that the Scottish Union have adopted the same policy as Wales, Ireland and Italy i.e. Season 2019/20 is classified as null & void, with no automatic promotion or relegation.
 
I think this leaves the RFU with one of two choices:
a) Follow the same lead as all of the other home nation Unions or;
b) Apply the Regs as they stood at the begining of the season.
 
Personally, I hope they settle for b).




I agree, is it may be possible that the other unions have no regs to cover this unlike the RFU?
 
What do the RFU Regulations say which specifically covers this type of situation?


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 13:37
13.1.6 I believe - basically give the RFU the power to decide what to do.
It specificaly permits them to decide on the outcome of matches that cannot be played but which would affect promotion and relegation.

It is intended for the case where the sie in second place has an unplayed match against the bottom side that has not won all season.


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Posted By: Greg
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 14:08
Originally posted by Dan Gleebles Dan Gleebles wrote:

Sarries down, Falcons up.
From Championship down no relegation (yes Leeds remain) 
From Nat 1 down current leaders promoted.
1 extra team per division excluding Prem. 
Sorted.
If Sarries come down and Falcons go up then Leeds must also be relegated. This would mean the top side in League 1, currently Richmond, must also be promoted.
The rules cannot be unevenly distributed.


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 15:04
Which also means Rotherham must go down - unless whatever they are called this week fold.
Tough on them as they had a chance to get ahead of Moseley.
Hull Ionians and Caterbury were already mathematically down.

Also tough on Rosslyn Park as they had a slim chance to catch Richmond - and beat them twice.

And so on.


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Sweeney Delenda Est


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 15:20
Originally posted by Dan Gleebles Dan Gleebles wrote:

Sarries down, Falcons up.
From Championship down no relegation (yes Leeds remain) 
From Nat 1 down current leaders promoted.
1 extra team per division excluding Prem. 
Sorted.


Really? Letting Leeds/YC remain in the championship didn't work for 99% of rugby supporters at the beginning of the season, the fact they have been beaten every game this season hasn't changed those views.

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RAID ON


Posted By: Dan Gleebles
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 16:38
Obviously not clear.

Relegation only for sarries. 

All other divisions promote 1 team. 

Championship has 1 extra team for 20/21

PS, cse maths grade 2. Left before O levels for the real world. Wink


Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 20:45
I am not sure Leeds want another season in the Championship. I know Blues were concerned that they may not even make the final game of the season!


Posted By: WINGER14
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 22:10
If 3 Clubs are relegated from Div 1, and the Winners of Div 2N and Div 2S are promoted,  then how would the 3rd Club to be promoted be decided.
As there is not to be a Play-Off game who would go up.  However its decided, the Club not promoted would, and rightly so, have a major grievance.  However you look at the two Clubs playing stats for this season, NO ONE can definitely say who would have Won had the game been played.


Purely because I'm a Titans supporter, the only fair decision is 2 down and 2 up.
I wish we could have played our last 5 games. We had 3H and 2A to play, and after a run of results where we picked up points in every game, we narrowed the gap between Us and Moseley from 13pts to 4pts.
As I said above, NO ONE can say how our unplayed games would have finished, but I'm confident that we could have stayed up.

Having said all the above, the Titans will obviously accept whatever decision the RFU makes and look forward to next season,  whenever that may commence.


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 10:22
Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

I am not sure Leeds want another season in the Championship. I know Blues were concerned that they may not even make the final game of the season!


I'm sure Leeds will be happy to exist next season in any shape or form.

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RAID ON


Posted By: Guinness John
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 13:15
Originally posted by Guinness John Guinness John wrote:

Very simple I know, so no chance of being done .   Promote and relegate on the current league positions, with the normal amount of places.   There will be had luck stories, hopefully not too many, they would have agreed if it had suited them.  There all done without involving the pools panel, lawyers, or Pythagoras. Anybody else as bored ?
Well almost right  !!!

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Bedford Blues Supporter of the Year 2010 - 2011


Posted By: The Tykester
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 09:46
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

I am not sure Leeds want another season in the Championship. I know Blues were concerned that they may not even make the final game of the season!


I'm sure Leeds will be happy to exist next season in any shape or form.

Absolutely!



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