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Topic: Return to the Championship via Franchises
Posted By: tigerburnie
Subject: Return to the Championship via Franchises
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 10:48
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/rugby/wasps-worcester-and-london-irish-handed-lifeline-talks-to-include-them-in-new-premiership-2/ar-AA1d2voF?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c036c675690a4736b8261486f6f62ce3&ei=152" rel="nofollow - Wasps, Worcester and London Irish handed lifeline talks to include them in new ‘Premiership 2’ (msn.com)



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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 10:58
No.



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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 10:59
It seems the cartel is still in full working dis order then


Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 11:04
Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

It seems the cartel is still in full working dis order then

The only (slight) surprise is that the content of the article doesn't quite back up the headline...Whether that's because they don't understand the rules of grammar, or because they're trying to sensationalise their own article I don't know....


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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 11:07
Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

It seems the cartel is still in full working dis order then

The only (slight) surprise is that the content of the article doesn't quite back up the headline...Whether that's because they don't understand the rules of grammar, or because they're trying to sensationalise their own article I don't know....
I'd say both, the standard of journalism these days is similar to the tv show "Drop the dead donkey"


Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 11:15
No mention of clearing their debts, just have a new franchise for the brands, no details yet, but there's a nasty odour about this. Three good Championship clubs being bed blocked.


Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 13:45
Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

No mention of clearing their debts, just have a new franchise for the brands, no details yet, but there's a nasty odour about this. Three good Championship clubs being bed blocked.

What happens top the 10's of millions pounds worth of debt owing to everybody?
Is that just swept under the table?


Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 13:53
Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

No mention of clearing their debts, just have a new franchise for the brands, no details yet, but there's a nasty odour about this. Three good Championship clubs being bed blocked.

What happens top the 10's of millions pounds worth of debt owing to everybody?
Is that just swept under the table?
Good question, but don't hold your breath waiting for a sensible answer


Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 15:06
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark if this is seriously been considered as a real idea.

Two teams without grounds plus a ground without a team and not a penny to rub together between them. 

Those clubs that do watch their pennies and pay their debts must wonder why they do it as it doesn't seem to bring them any advantage.




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Posted By: rugbychris
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 15:39
But what is actually on offer? What does the franchisee get out of the arrangement apart from the certainty of losing 2m+ each season. The RFU/Prem don't have a business model which is attractive to any investor.


Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 16:02
They have to do something, with folk struggling with mortgage payments and other bills, I can see crowds diminishing and more pressure on clubs trying to make ends meet.


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 18:06
If they took the TV money that they would have paid the three bankrupt clubs and paid that to the ten teams in Premiership 2, then you could find £3m per side. And £1m from a title sponsor and as £2m from the club's own income - then you have a budget of about £5m, or which about £2.4m could go to players, so am average wage of £60k for a squad of 40.

But no club would pay that, they would look at the extra £9m or £10m available to the Premiership sides and offer salaries of £120k to try to win promotion - and the right to lose more money.


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Posted By: Tyke
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 18:09

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I'd say both, the standard of journalism these days is similar to the tv show "Drop the dead donkey"
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I now have a vision of Damian Day reporting amidst the ashes of English Rugby, whilst holding a child's teddy bear!!!


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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 18:11
Sadly players now think they can get these huge salaries and if they are not here, then they will go abroad, that messes up the RFU plans to fill Twickenham, it's madness, but I fully expect the turkeys to vote for Christmas and raise the salary cap so they can keep buying players to try an but a european cup.


Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 18:32
The surprise is Prem 2, I thought it was starting 24/25.

The article suggests its 25/26.

Or are three franchises about to get dumped on at the end of 24/25?


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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 18:37
How many spots are there in the French and Japanese leagues for English players.



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Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 18:56
Originally posted by Tyke Tyke wrote:


I'd say both, the standard of journalism these days is similar to the tv show "Drop the dead donkey"
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I now have a vision of Damian Day reporting amidst the ashes of English Rugby, whilst holding a child's teddy bear!!!
[/QUOTE] While Dave Charnley has a side bet on the outcome Smile

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Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 19:23
One that is readable 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/rugby/wasps-worcester-and-london-irish-handed-lifeline-talks-to-include-them-in-new-premiership-2/ar-AA1d2voF?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7cc676330f5843c39e0dcf8fda1e3784&ei=9" rel="nofollow - https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/rugby/wasps-worcester-and-london-irish-handed-lifeline-talks-to-include-them-in-new-premiership-2/ar-AA1d2voF?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7cc676330f5843c39e0dcf8fda1e3784&ei=9

The most likely pathway would involve a move to a franchise system that will see clubs able to gain entry if they can prove they meet a revised minimum standards criteria that goes beyond having a stadium with a capacity of 10,000 but is also likely to include levels of support, strength of brand name, size of social media following and a long-term vision for growth.  


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 19:24
Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

No mention of clearing their debts, just have a new franchise for the brands, no details yet, but there's a nasty odour about this. Three good Championship clubs being bed blocked.

Any other sport, this would be considered unsporting.


Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 19:55
I've merged two threads into one and moved this to the Championship forum. 

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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 20:49
Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

One that is readable 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/rugby/wasps-worcester-and-london-irish-handed-lifeline-talks-to-include-them-in-new-premiership-2/ar-AA1d2voF?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7cc676330f5843c39e0dcf8fda1e3784&ei=9" rel="nofollow - https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/rugby/wasps-worcester-and-london-irish-handed-lifeline-talks-to-include-them-in-new-premiership-2/ar-AA1d2voF?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7cc676330f5843c39e0dcf8fda1e3784&ei=9

The most likely pathway would involve a move to a franchise system that will see clubs able to gain entry if they can prove they meet a revised minimum standards criteria that goes beyond having a stadium with a capacity of 10,000 but is also likely to include levels of support, strength of brand name, size of social media following and a long-term vision for growth.  

What strikes me here abotu the criteria is that they are basically the same as the ones that IMG and Rugby League are considering. 


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Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 21:27
What strikes me is the lack of “sustainability test” or survival without rich owner test. Think that is more important than Twitter followers etc!

Also who decides in how great a brand name is?


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 21:56
There is also the question that, if you take away the TV coverage, can those "brands" attract a crowd. Especially after two years of no rugby. Would it be a bigger crowd than a current Championship club?

And of course, where on earth could they play?




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Posted By: Stoatgobbler
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 22:55
"“We need brands like Wasps and Worcester in the Championship.."

Really? Do we?

"..and there must be a way in the medium term to bring them back more quickly by restructuring the Championship to refranchise them in the right place in the country,".

Well there we have it folks. Let's give the rules some rubbery qualities when we need it.


Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2023 at 22:59
I posted this on the Tigers forum seems to fit here also
For business to invest, there has to be a product that attracts them and as we have seen in three cases, no-one world wide was interested enough to sign a cheque. So a new exciting product has to come forwards, is this a new exciting product, I'm no business man, but it looks and smells malodious.
Here's a possible scenario, enter into a room a prospective investor, "oh hello, I represent a rugby club that went under leaving a trial of unpaid debts and we are planning to start again and may well do the same again, now how much money do you want to squander?................................................................why did they just run out of the room?"

I struggle to see what pipe dream can be sold to a hard headed wealthy investor looking for a return, I think this is pie in the sky, fantasy.
The PRL is part owned by CVC, I find it hard to see where they are going to get any investment from, the world economy is in tatters, recession in Germany, never thought I'd hear that, another war raging on our doorsteps, another Vietnam??
Were I a rich man, someone who might by an obscure soccer team in North Wales, or now shares in an F1 team, would I go into rugby union in England with what is going on? Property sharks picking over bones, vultures maybe, but serious investors, just can't see it, the clubs should now be looking where they begin at level 10 and see how it pans out in a few years time.


Posted By: *Stalwart
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2023 at 09:29
Very well said Tigerburnie. This is a total fantasy and shows the complete disconnect with reality from those in charge of our game.

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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2023 at 10:30
I get that people like Dalaglio are desperate to try and save their club, but there's responsibility to others involved here, an ex Wasps player said he was owed nearly a £100K, that's just one person, then there's all the bond holders, supporters of the club as well as other suppliers.
You cannot have a business go bust and then allow them to re-start again  without being held responsible, others will see that as a licence to do the same thing. I use Wasps because we know a lot about what happened, I'm less sure about the Worcester and Exiles situation. No business or "brand" can be allowed to treat employees and suppliers with contempt, be it a corner shop or a rugby club.


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2023 at 11:25
I looked on the London Irish board, the fans there are pretty sanguine about their situation. They realise the club does not even have the proverbial pot to micturate into. And if they did, the administrator would sell it.



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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2023 at 11:54
Also on the Quin's forum, there is disquiet about losing home games.

The forum users are the hard core fans, who are not enamoured of the games at Twickenham, and now will only get seven home Premiership games at the Stoop, plus two in Europe and three in the cup - two of which will be against Championship clubs.


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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2023 at 12:40
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Also on the Quin's forum, there is disquiet about losing home games.

The forum users are the hard core fans, who are not enamoured of the games at Twickenham, and now will only get seven home Premiership games at the Stoop, plus two in Europe and three in the cup - two of which will be against Championship clubs.
Yes there are quite a lot of "fans" who seem to measure club support against what is in it for them. Clubs are in the deep and brown smelly stuff, all of them and they are going to need all the help they can find to stay in the pro game. To para phrase a well known saying it's  " ask not what can your club do for you, but what can you do for your club"
Some seem to think there's some sort of privilege they get when they buy a ticket for the season, like buying a pound of flesh and only getting 12 ounces. There will be more big clubs vanish unless something radical happens, Newcastle have begun by paying players what they can afford, Tigers also did this by asking players to take a pay cut a couple of years back, players like Manu Tuilagi walked away and took the club to court, that is not going to sustain the pro game for long.
Eventually and it might take a few years, but players will realise that the money has gone, £million pound players will be gone, less mercenaries in the game. Lets not pretend, new players join small local clubs because of a couple of reasons, their parents might have been involved in the game, or they are watching International or Premiership games on the telly. National league teams will thrive with a fully functioning top level, the game will function at International level if we have a strong top level, but someone somewhere needs to pull there necks in and realise we do not want a system like Scottish soccer(or rugby) where there are two teams and a lot of much lower grade teams to make up the numbers, it does not work.


Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2023 at 12:51
Looks like Blues are enhancing their brand and will give jersey's to the junior blues for free.

https://bedfordrugby.co.uk/news/2023/06/blues-unite-behind-same-jersey" rel="nofollow - Blues to unite behind same jersey : Bedford Blues RFC (bedfordrugby.co.uk)


Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2023 at 16:56
Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

Looks like Blues are enhancing their brand and will give jersey's to the junior blues for free.

Small steps. Positive step to reinforce club loyalty and brand, especially if the Colts take theirs to University. Full stash to Colts would be even better to spread the word.


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Posted By: Greg
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2023 at 17:38
Am I alone in finding it rather disquieting to read that rugby clubs, many of which are well over 100 years old, are now considered as 'brands'?
“We need brands like Wasps and Worcester in the Championship and there must be a way in the medium term to bring them back more quickly by restructuring the Championship to refranchise them in the right place in the country,” said one senior Premiership source at the time.
Brands, schmands, It's all marketing speak and means absolutely nothing in the greater scheme of things.


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2023 at 23:26
Quins are asking £1000 for a new season ticket on the half way line, which is more than Chelsea for an equivalent seat but for roughly half the matches.

One does have to ask, at what point is one's club taking the mickey.

And I have been a Quins fan since 1970.




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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 06:47
Extortion!

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Posted By: BE57 REF
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 07:05
With a grandson who has become obsessed with football, I have recently acquired season tickets for Burnley’s return to the Premier League. Total cost for two (admittedly both concessionaire at 65+ and U18) was £390 for 19 home Premier League games. Effectively £20 per game for the two of us - about the same as the National 2 rugby I will be seeing less of……

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Posted By: BE57 REF
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 07:14
With a grandson who has become obsessed with football, I have recently acquired season tickets for Burnley’s return to the Premier League. Total cost for two (admittedly both concessionaire at 65+ and U18) was £390 for 19 home Premier League games. Effectively £10 a head - about the same as the National 2 rugby I will be seeing less of…… And I’ll save money on beer….

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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 07:41
Originally posted by BE57 REF BE57 REF wrote:

With a grandson who has become obsessed with football, I have recently acquired season tickets for Burnley’s return to the Premier League. Total cost for two (admittedly both concessionaire at 65+ and U18) was £390 for 19 home Premier League games. Effectively £10 a head - about the same as the National 2 rugby I will be seeing less of…… And I’ll save money on beer….

please accept my condolences BE57


Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 07:49
The major difference is that football clubs don’t need fans in the ground which also have much larger capacities. They get so much money from TV from around the world, so can offer the tickets cheaply, as it’s more about ensuring there is an atmosphere for the TV.

Rugby if you don’t make as much as you can on the match day you are reliant on one person to pump money in.


Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 08:31
Originally posted by BE57 REF BE57 REF wrote:

With a grandson who has become obsessed with football, I have recently acquired season tickets for Burnley’s return to the Premier League. Total cost for two (admittedly both concessionaire at 65+ and U18) was £390 for 19 home Premier League games. Effectively £10 a head - about the same as the National 2 rugby I will be seeing less of…… And I’ll save money on beer….
They'll need more than that if they're serious about buying Viktor Gyokeres! Wink


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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 14:01
The tripe that started this discussion was written by Gavin Mairs so it really isn't worth taking seriously.


Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 14:18
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

The tripe that started this discussion was written by Gavin Mairs so it really isn't worth taking seriously.
I do hope you are correct,  if the 3 clubs in question wish to start up again they can start at he bottom of the ladder.


Posted By: Greg
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2023 at 13:56
The Championship (or Prem 2) does not need 'brands' like Worcester and Wasps. What it needs is some rugby clubs that run with financial competence complete with a ground, some coaches, players and support staff. That, along with some fervent supporters and a beer tent with fine hand-drawn ales, is all that is needed. Bish, bash, bosh.


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2023 at 16:31
Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

The tripe that started this discussion was written by Gavin Mairs so it really isn't worth taking seriously.
I do hope you are correct,  if the 3 clubs in question wish to start up again they can start at he bottom of the ladder.

Totally agree but not worth worrying about until a more credible source reports it.


Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2023 at 19:40
Originally posted by Greg Greg wrote:

The Championship (or Prem 2) does not need 'brands' like Worcester and Wasps. What it needs is some rugby clubs that run with financial competence complete with a ground, some coaches, players and support staff. That, along with some fervent supporters and a beer tent with fine hand-drawn ales, is all that is needed. Bish, bash, bosh.

Well said that man
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Posted By: HookerPaul
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 08:45
I posted something similar to the following on the Pirates SN site:
Looking at this in black and white, (stoopid, I know), can we really expect to see 3 teams, 2 without a ground, all with no players, coaches or support staff, nor a financial backer.  Not having played a game of competitive rugby for at least 1 season, to come along at the begining of 24/25 or even 25/26 season and say: "Hi, we're the new Wasps/Warriors/Irish and we're here to brighten up your Prem 2 league.  Oh, and by the way 3 of you must drop down to the lower league to make room for us, 3 from that league must also drop, and so on down the pyramid."
I don't think the RFU/PRL would have the money or wherewithall nor backbone to defend a joint action that would undobtedly be taken by quite a few clubs.
Realstically I can't see it happening, so it probably wil!


Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 10:29
Forgive me for trying to look onto the Minds of the RFU (Difficult I know) but there could be a perverse logic coming out which is:-
  1.  Prem 2 is a "New League"
  2. All clubs can apply to join based on the following criteria;
  3. their ground capacity.
  4. Their brand name will bring in good sponsorship.
  5. They have a large support
  6. They have a large internet footprint.
  7. They have a 10 year plan 
Only clubs with the the above can apply. The championship will remain but will at level 3 in the pyramid as the top of the community game with no financial support. Nat 1 becomes level 4 and split into two leagues.



Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 10:30
Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

Forgive me for trying to look onto the Minds of the RFU (Difficult I know) but there could be a perverse logic coming out which is:-
  1.  Prem 2 is a "New League"
  2. All clubs can apply to join based on the following criteria;
  3. their ground capacity.
  4. Their brand name will bring in good sponsorship.
  5. They have a large support
  6. They have a large internet footprint.
  7. They have a 10 year plan 
Only clubs with the the above can apply.


In other words the plan for Rugby League.


Posted By: HookerPaul
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 12:15
Forgive me for trying to look onto the Minds of the RFU (Difficult I know) but there could be a perverse logic coming out which is:-
  1.  Prem 2 is a "New League"
  2. All clubs can apply to join based on the following criteria;
  3. their ground capacity.
  4. Their brand name will bring in good sponsorship.
  5. They have a large support
  6. They have a large internet footprint.
  7. They have a 10 year plan 
Only clubs with the the above can apply. The championship will remain but will at level 3 in the pyramid as the top of the community game with no financial support. Nat 1 becomes level 4 and split into two leagues.

You make a good point Workerbee.

Some things there will need definition for sure:  Ground capacity: seating, standing, combined?
Brand name:  I presume you mean a National sponsor who may well be familiar with the likes of Wasps, Warriors, Irish.  What about the rest of us local yokels, "The Cornish what?, Ealing who? and yes I know where Jersey is, but it's not in England, is it?" etc. etc.  Apart from the three obvious there are just not enough well known names below the Prem to attract a big sponsor, unless one is willing to cover both Prem 1 & 2?
They have large support: Coventry and Bedford probably tick that box.
Internet footprint:  How is that even measured?
10 year plan:  I hope that applies to prem 1 as well because reading that could be a giggle.
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 16:45
IN which case, what would stop Manchester United or Chelsea applying?


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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 16:51
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

IN which case, what would stop Manchester United or Chelsea applying?

Regional - more likely Aston Villa than Manchester Pig

and Racing for the Jersey franchise - Rennes, Roazhon Park 30 000 seats 


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Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 21:37
Possibly why not Manchester Warriors, Chelsea Wasps or Fulham Irish


Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 22:45
Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

Possibly why not Manchester Warriors, Chelsea Wasps or Fulham Irish

Certainly have some competition issues in M'cr, Sale Sharks, Sale FC top of Level 3, Sedgely Park looking to get back into the Championship having been culled last reorganisation.

Lots of toes to tread on in the name of progress.


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Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 09:25
Progress or futility?? 


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 14:15
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

IN which case, what would stop Manchester United or Chelsea applying?

Common sense?


Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 18:25
Took my 8 year old on a stadium tour at hazelnutnal as part of his birthday and although the tour is quite reasonably priced at £25 & 20 it’s the merchandising that gets you in the shop and it was absolutely heaving. I bought a shirt and after putting the name and number it was £108 and £28 for shorts, now as a one off it’s bad but what was surprising was the amount of parents with 2,3 even 4 shirts. In our group of 4 we spent close to £450 and we were by no means big spenders looking at others. The money they must be turning over makes your eyes water and unfortunately I don’t think we in rugby would come anywhere close hence the desire (not from me) for big name franchises

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Posted By: Geoff DC
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 18:42
Buy them in China before they are shipped over, probably only a few pence there judging by the average quality


Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 23:50
Originally posted by Geoff DC Geoff DC wrote:

Buy them in China before they are shipped over, probably only a few pence there judging by the average quality

£8 allegedly


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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2023 at 09:24
Originally posted by Geoff DC Geoff DC wrote:

Buy them in China before they are shipped over, probably only a few pence there judging by the average quality
To be fair, the Hummel Coventry City ones are much praised by the fans.
Not all Chinese-made stuff is tat.
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