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Topic: RFU CEO Bill Sweeney's thoughts
Posted By: Camquin
Subject: RFU CEO Bill Sweeney's thoughts
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 07:52
https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12321/12013947/bill-sweeney-rfu-ceo-on-the-future-for-english-rugby-and-global-calendar-alingment" rel="nofollow - https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12321/12013947/bill-sweeney-rfu-ceo-on-the-future-for-english-rugby-and-global-calendar-alingment

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Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 09:58
So as predicted by many on here. Ringfenced Premiership with the financially crippled Championship the "peak" of Club rugby outside of the "Pro-game".

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Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 10:20
Interesting what he says about Championship salary levels. He doesn't actually grasp the ring fencing nettle , just drops big hints.

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Posted By: Welshie7
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 10:59
He would have the info so the salaries probably accurate....although it is pretty close to the uni fees. Is this coincidental?

12k - no wonder Nat 1 and Nat 2 are becoming popular with players


Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 14:12
Originally posted by Welshie7 Welshie7 wrote:

He would have the info so the salaries probably accurate 
Seriously? The man is a out and out mine of disinformation, all of which is designed to support his and the farts' arguments and agenda.


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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 16:04
Originally posted by Welshie7 Welshie7 wrote:

He would have the info so the salaries probably accurate....although it is pretty close to the uni fees. Is this coincidental?

12k - no wonder Nat 1 and Nat 2 are becoming popular with players


I would have thought there are very few championship players on £12k, apart from the odd junior player.

Sounds like he is totally out of touch.

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Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 16:31
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Welshie7 Welshie7 wrote:

He would have the info so the salaries probably accurate....although it is pretty close to the uni fees. Is this coincidental?

12k - no wonder Nat 1 and Nat 2 are becoming popular with players


I would have thought there are very few championship players on £12k, apart from the odd junior player.

Sounds like he is totally out of touch.


I know of a number who were on that or less plus some clubs have a lot of students who are probably on less .


Posted By: Welshie7
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2020 at 19:52
Raider999 & Kimbo....I think you would both be surprised at the full range of salaries in the Championship......lack of medical care/insurance, termination of contracts/notice periods, etc at the bottom and 6 figures at the top.

If we were privy to the playing budgets of the clubs for the last 5 yrs give or take a couple of places the team at the top would have the biggest budget and the team at the bottom the lowest year on year.

Yes you may get the 'Leicester' freak result (football reference, apologies) but in the RFU Championship it is about money.

Bill S has pretty much said the Championship is 'dead' as soon as the World Calendar comes into being


Posted By: Camp Freddie
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 14:01
Looks like I need to mention the elephant in the room here. "The Womens game remains a major priority for us."

90% of players are male, the Womens Premiership doesn't attract great crowds across all games and they are now stuggling to find a major new sponsor, obviously the old one perhaps didn't see a return on the investment.




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Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 14:42
CF - but the women's game is a lot cheaper for the RFU than the men's. 10 v approx £80,000 per season with the clubs having to match that level of funding.The real question is whether the women's game remains a major priority for the Premiership clubs to which they are now all attached having ditched the likes of Waterloo and Richmond. Exeter boasted of a £1 million budget for their women's section as starting it from scratch- but can they/will they afford that in the new economic situation all clubs will find themselves.


Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 15:46
Politically they have to promote the women's game. Women have equality in other sports and rugby, as a sport with a macho image, is vulnerable to criticism from the usual quarters.
Even boxing has a strong female following. As someone who was an amateur boxer for nine years and doubts the effect it has on brain health, I'm surprised.
Both my daughters were very sporty and I encouraged them. Boxing and rugby were never mentioned, although my son played for his school team. 
To sum up, they have to be seen to be promoting the women's game, however much it costs them. That's fine with me.


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Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 17:40
I don’t advocate a fully pro second tier.
But have the RFU really capitalised what they have?
Wales has 4 pro teams. Yet somehow the RFU cannot generate income to a second tier.

I recall a rugby correspondent at a local paper who suggested NCA1 clubs find a broadcaster, not to generate money from the broadcaster but promote the names. Has having had Championship on Sky increased people’s awareness, knowledge that a rugby club of a standard plays in their community?

Maybe being abandoned it feels, could a Championship and NCA joint effort find a free to air broadcaster and sponsor?


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Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 17:45
Yes it's great rugby in the Championship and N!. Better than football.

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Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 18:13
Originally posted by Camp Freddie Camp Freddie wrote:

Looks like I need to mention the elephant in the room here. "The Womens game remains a major priority for us."

90% of players are male, the Womens Premiership doesn't attract great crowds across all games and they are now stuggling to find a major new sponsor, obviously the old one perhaps didn't see a return on the investment.



Which is why it will be a priority for them as they’ll want to narrow the %age gap.


Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 18:14
Money spent on the women’s game is better than blowing it on the Championship 


Posted By: Dad
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 20:40
As i said on another thread - dont know your area but Berks has gone from 1 cluster team at u15 & u18 with nothing really at u13 5-6 years ago (girls who had played with the boys finished end of u12 and got dispensations to play straight up to u15 of which there were only 22-25girls in the entire county) this coming season there will be 6 u13 5 u15 and 3 (maybe 4) U18 teams. Ladies has grown from 4 to 9 in the same timescale.

What other area of rugby is growing like that ?


Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 09:37
Touch Rugby


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 09:55
These are all fine exploits, helping folks keep physically and mentally fit and having lots of fun in the process as you meet and befriend more people. Sadly none of them have any commercial value, or if I'm honest with myself spectator interest


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 10:07
Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

Touch Rugby


Exactly my initial thoughts

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Posted By: Dad
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 09:06
strangely that isnt growing in Berks - it has sat pretty level for all the time i have noticed it and is a 50/50 mix of corporate teams (deloitte etc) and club contact players using it for training purposes

I actually find reasonable level women's rugby pretty good to watch, better handling and faster recycling than mens game, more of a movement of ball game than a gruntfest


Posted By: Dad
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 09:07
strangely that isnt growing in Berks - it has sat pretty level for all the time i have noticed it and is a 50/50 mix of corporate teams (deloitte etc) and club contact players using it for training purposes

I actually find reasonable level women's rugby pretty good to watch, better handling and faster recycling than mens game, more of a movement of ball game than a gruntfest - only real area of noticable weakness is the kicking game


Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 11:29
Originally posted by Camp Freddie Camp Freddie wrote:

Looks like I need to mention the elephant in the room here. "The Womens game remains a major priority for us."

90% of players are male, the Womens Premiership doesn't attract great crowds across all games and they are now stuggling to find a major new sponsor, obviously the old one perhaps didn't see a return on the investment.

The women's game is very popular  I go to watch a lot of boys Colts games at Sandal on Sunday  lunch. But the icar park and on field parking is absolutely full for the Girls games on Sunday afternoon .
Unfortunately they don't seem to attract the same amount of people in the bar.Probably the timing of the games






Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 12:17
Also the distances the parents may need to drive.
It is getting better, but I was facing two to three hour drives home every time my daughter played.


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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 13:28
Originally posted by Dad Dad wrote:

strangely that isnt growing in Berks - it has sat pretty level for all the time i have noticed it and is a 50/50 mix of corporate teams (deloitte etc) and club contact players using it for training purposes

I actually find reasonable level women's rugby pretty good to watch, better handling and faster recycling than mens game, more of a movement of ball game than a gruntfest


You obviously watch the wrong men's sides

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Posted By: Count Ford
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 17:59
Wasnt another big reason for the growth of the woman's game, that Sport England funding is based on growing participation rates. Considering the growth in Mens Rugby is pretty static or even declining then they saw the women's game as a way to increase participation  


Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 18:27
Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:

Wasnt another big reason for the growth of the woman's game, that Sport England funding is based on growing participation rates. Considering the growth in Mens Rugby is pretty static or even declining then they saw the women's game as a way to increase participation  

which, cynical money grab notwithstanding is a good thing IMO.

Mrs billesleyexile is currently pregnant and we're not finding out the gender until the birth. I'm absolutely not going to force my future child/ren to play rugby, but it's a big part of my life so they're going to be around it. If it's a daughter and she wants to play then I'd rather there was something on the doorstep than not. 

Perhaps I'm biased though, the only England international I know is a Red Rose, and the first person from my cohort at university and in the forces to make it to a national position with the RFU is also female. 

I'm not for a minute arguing with you by the way, I'm just amplifying the point. If it comes down to making the men's game a bit better, or diverting the money to put rocket boosters under the women's game then we should do the latter. It's (IMO) just the right thing to do. Even if the men's game stood still for a bit. 

We might *never* make the money from the women's game that we do from the men's, and it *might* never be the same spectacle (although, as someone who prefers national 1 to the prem I actually like watching the women's game at international level - because it's proper running rugby), but I'd rather the opportunities were there for anyone who wanted to play than not, and it should be as easy for a daughter to get into it as a son.




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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 18:30
as an addendum, I was talking about this with my wife the other day, and if it was a son and they wanted to play rugby would I let them? Yes, it was that way round...

She was onboard with M&Js. 

She was less on board with the 140 mile round trip for *Moseley* M&Js.

Work needed I feel.


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Posted By: Dad
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 10:50
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Dad Dad wrote:

strangely that isnt growing in Berks - it has sat pretty level for all the time i have noticed it and is a 50/50 mix of corporate teams (deloitte etc) and club contact players using it for training purposes

I actually find reasonable level women's rugby pretty good to watch, better handling and faster recycling than mens game, more of a movement of ball game than a gruntfest


You obviously watch the wrong men's sides

2 seasons ago i watched the final Worthing game of the season as it was on the saturday immediately preceding the Worthing 10's girls festival - it was ok, more interesting than watching Rams (I am a fwd but i prefer watching fast flowing rugby) still say watching the u18 girls semi's and final's in the blazing sun with a beer in hand was a great way to spend a Sunday afternoon


Posted By: Count Ford
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 18:32
Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:

Wasnt another big reason for the growth of the woman's game, that Sport England funding is based on growing participation rates. Considering the growth in Mens Rugby is pretty static or even declining then they saw the women's game as a way to increase participation  

which, cynical money grab notwithstanding is a good thing IMO.

Mrs billesleyexile is currently pregnant and we're not finding out the gender until the birth. I'm absolutely not going to force my future child/ren to play rugby, but it's a big part of my life so they're going to be around it. If it's a daughter and she wants to play then I'd rather there was something on the doorstep than not. 

Perhaps I'm biased though, the only England international I know is a Red Rose, and the first person from my cohort at university and in the forces to make it to a national position with the RFU is also female. 

I'm not for a minute arguing with you by the way, I'm just amplifying the point. If it comes down to making the men's game a bit better, or diverting the money to put rocket boosters under the women's game then we should do the latter. It's (IMO) just the right thing to do. Even if the men's game stood still for a bit. 

We might *never* make the money from the women's game that we do from the men's, and it *might* never be the same spectacle (although, as someone who prefers national 1 to the prem I actually like watching the women's game at international level - because it's proper running rugby), but I'd rather the opportunities were there for anyone who wanted to play than not, and it should be as easy for a daughter to get into it as a son.



I totally agree. Somewhat cynical reasoning in relation to the Sport England funding, but it's great to see the growth of the Women's game. It adds new vibrancy to rugby clubs and clubhouses across the country.

My original point wasn't meant to come across as negative. It's fantastic that girls have more and more options to play the game


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2020 at 18:46
Apparently he has been talking to the NCA

https://www.ncarugby.com/features/nca-chats-bill-sweeney/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ncarugby.com/features/nca-chats-bill-sweeney/

"In the past decade alone England internationals Kyle Sinckler, Maro Itoje and Tom Curry have spent their time developing in the National Leagues with Richmond, Old Albanian and Sale FC respectively."

Of the current England Squad I think he has missed one or two:

Benjamin Earl Ampthill
Ellis Genge Clifton / Hartpury
Jamie George Southend (OK just over the decade)
George Kruis Barking (ditto)
Joe Launchberry Rosslyn Park
Lewis Ludham Coventry
Joe Marler Barking (ditto)
Alex Moon Cambridge
Will Stuart Blackheath/ Moseley
Sam Underhill Cinderford
Mako Vinupola Clifton (ditto)
Harry Williams Loughborough
Mark Wilson Blaydon
Fraser Dingwall Coventry (Cambridge M&Y)
George Furbank Cambridge
Josh Hodge Darlington MP
Jonathon Joseph Barnes
Alex Mitchell Amthill
Jacob Umaga Hinckley Broadstreet




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Posted By: Dad
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2020 at 19:15
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Also the distances the parents may need to drive.
It is getting better, but I was facing two to three hour drives home every time my daughter played.

Def improving at a rate of knots - but this season still saw a SW Area of the U15 & U18 cup that contained teams from Devonport to Cinderford to Trojans (Eastleigh) to Cobham - and all played on Sunday afternoons - yet we see Adult men apparently won't travel !!


Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2020 at 19:36
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Apparently he has been talking to the NCA

https://www.ncarugby.com/features/nca-chats-bill-sweeney/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ncarugby.com/features/nca-chats-bill-sweeney/

"In the past decade alone England internationals Kyle Sinckler, Maro Itoje and Tom Curry have spent their time developing in the National Leagues with Richmond, Old Albanian and Sale FC respectively."

Of the current England Squad I think he has missed one or two:

Benjamin Earl Ampthill
Ellis Genge Clifton / Hartpury
Jamie George Southend (OK just over the decade)
George Kruis Barking (ditto)
Joe Launchberry Rosslyn Park
Lewis Ludham Coventry
Joe Marler Barking (ditto)
Alex Moon Cambridge
Will Stuart Blackheath/ Moseley
Sam Underhill Cinderford
Mako Vinupola Clifton (ditto)
Harry Williams Loughborough
Mark Wilson Blaydon
Fraser Dingwall Coventry (Cambridge M&Y)
George Furbank Cambridge
Josh Hodge Darlington MP
Jonathon Joseph Barnes
Alex Mitchell Amthill
Jacob Umaga Hinckley Broadstreet


Umaga did a bit of time at Cov too. (Albeit not too memorably).


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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2020 at 19:51
I knew Mike did  this is his son. 

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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2020 at 08:01
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I knew Mike did  this is his son. 
Mike did quite a bit. Jacob was on loan/DR for a short spell.
Edit: Mentioned here -  https://www.coventryrugby.co.uk/2017/12/01/jacks-the-lad-for-park-trip/" rel="nofollow - https://www.coventryrugby.co.uk/2017/12/01/jacks-the-lad-for-park-trip/


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