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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Subject: England have tested fans' patience but heading...
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2022 at 10:57

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/62251500" rel="nofollow - England have tested fans' patience but heading in right direction - RFU chief Bill Sweeney

The boss of the Rugby Football Union admits England have "tested the patience of fans" in recent months but are "heading in the right direction".

Eddie Jones' men lost three times in the Six Nations but recovered from 1-0 down to beat Australia 2-1.

RFU chief Bill Sweeney says the series win showed England are "on track" before the 2023 Rugby World Cup.

"We are not blind to the last two Six Nations, they have both been disappointing and we know that."

Sweeney added to BBC Sport: "We have a very loyal but demanding set of fans, so have we been testing the patience of the England fans? Yes we probably have been.

"Behind the scenes, in looking at the performances and looking at the direction we are going in, we felt we were going in the right direction.

"If you look at how some of these players are performing, and the players that weren't involved who are waiting to come in, we believe we are on track.

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While Jones will take England through to the World Cup in France, the hunt is on to find his successor, with a phalanx of high-calibre candidates emerging as potential replacements.

Leicester's Premiership-winning coach Steve Borthwick is one of the leading contenders, while the likes of Ireland boss Andy Farrell and France coach Shaun Edwards are also on the RFU's shortlist, although they would definitely be unavailable until the end of 2023 because of their international commitments.

Sweeney says it remains "optimal" for the next England head coach to join Jones' coaching staff next summer before the World Cup, but this will depend on contractual situations.

"In some cases that might not be possible, so we will just have to wait and see," Sweeney added.

"It depends on the individual and the scenario. If it was possible, that is the optimal solution, but it might not be possible.

"We have our preferred options, but sometimes you are not able to do that. We are comfortable it is progressing in the right way."

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Posted By: MikeGC
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2022 at 16:22

I'd love to see Farrell and Edwards coaching England

Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2022 at 18:36

MikeGC wrote:

I'd love to see Farrell and Edwards coaching England

and Eddie coaching Australia!

Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2022 at 23:19

MikeGC wrote:

I'd love to see Farrell and Edwards coaching England

Not looking likely in the short term.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/62345148" rel="nofollow - Andy Farrell: Ireland coach signs two-year extension after series win over New Zealand

Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2022 at 13:56

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63536777" rel="nofollow - Head coach Eddie Jones does not see 'really strong problems' despite Twickenham defeat

Anybody optimistic that Eddie/the team will turn things around in time for the arrival of the All Blacks?

Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2022 at 14:45

A year from World Cup…not a great start.

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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2022 at 14:48

Steve@Mose wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63536777" rel="nofollow - Head coach Eddie Jones does not see 'really strong problems' despite Twickenham defeat

Anybody optimistic that Eddie/the team will turn things around in time for the arrival of the All Blacks?

Sunday's game was boring. England haven't progressed at all. Youngs is so slow and box kicks - for no apparent purpose - every time. JVP showed what can be done when a nine looks for the gaps.

England strung 14 passes in the dying minute as they realised victory was slipping from their grasp - More I believe than in the preceding 79 minutes. It is ok for commentators to try and sell the services of Manu in the centres but he needs to get the ball in space and England just don't create than kind of chance. Farrell offers nothing, Cokanasiga and Nowell have to come in field to look for the ball - but then find props in the line who think they are backs and it just gets messy.

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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2022 at 16:31

Red Roses showing the way, no interest in the mens game.

Posted By: greenpower
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2022 at 17:36

cant believe so many suckers pay stupid money to watch that crap

Posted By: Even Older Hooker
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2022 at 21:16

A bit like club rugby now messy scrums, you really think they would learn!! driving off lines out and kicking. Nothing creative. oh and Refs who waste so much time re setting scrums Grrrrrrrr

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2022 at 22:59

EOH - are you sure you are not John Inverdale.

The one thing that will wind John up is scrum resets.

As JI has had no influence in 15 years, I really do not know how we solve it.

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Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2022 at 11:28

O'Gara is the man for the job . . the RFU will only do something about EJ if beer sales go down at Twickenham!!!!

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Run with it

Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2022 at 11:35

Even Older Hooker wrote:

A bit like club rugby now messy scrums, you really think they would learn!! driving off lines out and kicking. Nothing creative. oh and Refs who waste so much time re setting scrums Grrrrrrrr

I was fortunate to have free tickets to some of the RLWC games. When they have their 'scrum', a countdown clock gives them 30 seconds to 'huddle together' and then get on with the rest of the game.

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Posted By: oneagainstthehead
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2022 at 12:22

Richard Lowther wrote:

I was fortunate to have free tickets to some of the RLWC games. When they have their 'scrum', a countdown clock gives them 30 seconds to 'huddle together' and then get on with the rest of the game.

Given the risible nature of the RL scrum, I’m not sure this is the best analogy, although there is something to be said for some kind of time limit. The problem seems to lie with identifying which side is responsible for delays/resets and penalising accordingly. Resets appear to be much less frequent in the women’s game, suggesting a greater willingness to get on with the game rather than seeing the scrum as little more than a source of penalties. I’m not sure what the answer is.

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Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2022 at 13:26

Maybe if the outcome of a scrum infringement was a differential penalty then maybe we wouldn't have to sit there watching re-sets and goal kicking practice all afternoon rather than some decent rugby. Nobody is ever sure who's infringed and who hasn't so seems a fairer way of dealing with it

Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2022 at 13:37

oneagainstthehead wrote:

Richard Lowther wrote:

I was fortunate to have free tickets to some of the RLWC games. When they have their 'scrum', a countdown clock gives them 30 seconds to 'huddle together' and then get on with the rest of the game.

I mention it because their is a lesson to be had - give players 30 seconds to come together - stop the slow walk to a scrum, the messing about before packing down etc and get the scrum down and then the ball in (straight) and use the scrum as a way to restart the game rather than it *be* the game.

If a scrum needs resetting, then the clock stops. If the props congratulate themselves for winning the scrum, then send them to the Tower. You don't see centres celebrate when they catch a pass - so why have we got to the state that the props think messing up - not winning a scrum deserves to be treated on the same level as being told they have won the lottery?

I agree on the women's game. They just get on with it without the 'macho' approach that is seen in the men's game.

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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2022 at 14:03

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63554585" rel="nofollow - Eddie Jones admits Rugby World Cup focus distracted from Argentina challenge

England's defeat by Argentina was partly caused by preparation being too focussed on next year's Rugby World Cup, coach Eddie Jones has admitted.

"We have been looking at a number of long-term strategies that we are trying to employ to get set for the World Cup, and maybe our focus wasn't tight enough on Argentina," said Jones.

"That is entirely my fault."

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Jones insisted that England need to develop their game and diversify tactics if they want to go one better than their final defeat by South Africa in 2019.

"There are a cluster of teams at the top of world rugby. We want to break that cluster and to do that we have to have a number of different ways to play the game," he added.

"This next 11 months is to get enough equipment in our armoury to play any way.

"England rugby is traditionally about power rugby, winning the set piece, smashing down the gainline, but we have to learn from the 2019 Rugby World Cup.

"In the final we came up against a side that had more power than us and we were unable to beat them at that game.

"We have continually had at the back of our heads [thoughts] about developing a different strategy of play, which involves more subtlety and some more ball movement to disrupt the defence."

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But Jones said that Smith and Farrell's partnership was the best long-term look for England's attack.

"We have another 12 games to the World Cup. If they are able to play 16 games together they will have a good understanding and start to read each other a bit more," he said.

"The opportunities we missed were small cohesion problems that [improve by] playing together."

Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2022 at 14:21

Steve@Mose wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63554585" rel="nofollow - Eddie Jones admits Rugby World Cup focus distracted from Argentina challenge

England's defeat by Argentina was partly caused by preparation being too focussed on next year's Rugby World Cup, coach Eddie Jones has admitted.

"We have been looking at a number of long-term strategies that we are trying to employ to get set for the World Cup, and maybe our focus wasn't tight enough on Argentina," said Jones.

"That is entirely my fault."

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Jones insisted that England need to develop their game and diversify tactics if they want to go one better than their final defeat by South Africa in 2019.

"There are a cluster of teams at the top of world rugby. We want to break that cluster and to do that we have to have a number of different ways to play the game," he added.

"This next 11 months is to get enough equipment in our armoury to play any way.

"England rugby is traditionally about power rugby, winning the set piece, smashing down the gainline, but we have to learn from the 2019 Rugby World Cup.

"In the final we came up against a side that had more power than us and we were unable to beat them at that game.

"We have continually had at the back of our heads [thoughts] about developing a different strategy of play, which involves more subtlety and some more ball movement to disrupt the defence."

...

But Jones said that Smith and Farrell's partnership was the best long-term look for England's attack.

"We have another 12 games to the World Cup. If they are able to play 16 games together they will have a good understanding and start to read each other a bit more," he said.

"The opportunities we missed were small cohesion problems that [improve by] playing together."

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Posted By: Redted
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2022 at 17:35

Total cobblers.

Here’s a strategy he might want to try, a bit off the wall, but how about playing players in their correct positions.

Posted By: Full Bodied Red
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2022 at 08:22

I see Eddie Jones has now appointed Brett Hodgson as new defence coach. This gentleman was recently sacked by Hull FC (super league head coach) after hi team finished 9th in the league. What could possibly go wrong?

Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2022 at 12:12

Thatbloke wrote:

Maybe if the outcome of a scrum infringement was a differential penalty then maybe we wouldn't have to sit there watching re-sets and goal kicking practice all afternoon rather than some decent rugby. Nobody is ever sure who's infringed and who hasn't so seems a fairer way of dealing with it

Assuming no obvious infringements I would allow one reset and the next time give a free-kick to the team with the put-in so they can restart the game that way - but without the option of a scrum.

Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2022 at 17:29

WEvans wrote:

Assuming no obvious infringements I would allow one reset and the next time give a free-kick to the team with the put-in so they can restart the game that way - but without the option of a scrum.

Totally agree no option to scrum again after an infringement in a scrum

Also, stop the clock when scrum is awarded until ball re-emerges.

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2022 at 23:01

England Rugby head coach resigns

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/63640488" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/63640488

Unfortunately, it is Craig Richards, the Women's League coach.

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Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2022 at 16:10

oneagainstthehead wrote:

Richard Lowther wrote:

I was fortunate to have free tickets to some of the RLWC games. When they have their 'scrum', a countdown clock gives them 30 seconds to 'huddle together' and then get on with the rest of the game.

As soon as the packs are together, the referee must move away 5 metres, turn his back on the scrum and not resume his duties until the ball is out. Simple. The men in the know can deal with the details.

Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2022 at 01:33

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63770560" rel="nofollow - England 13-27 South Africa: Eddie Jones says defeat was 'entirely my fault'

Eddie Jones said England's defeat by South Africa was "entirely my fault" but believes they can have a "really good go" at next year's World Cup.

The hosts were beaten 27-13 at Twickenham as the world champions dominated the set-piece.

Head coach Jones apologised for the performance but said his players were still heading in the right direction, 10 months out from the World Cup.

"We are disappointed we didn't play how we wanted to," Jones told Amazon Prime.

"South Africa do things to you that are some times difficult to deal with.

"We didn't land a shot like we wanted to. You have to win contests and we didn't win in the air or the set-piece, so it's hard to get in the game.

"We lost two of the key contests but we will improve in those areas. Results tell you everything and that is what we are judged by but I feel like there is growth in the team, which we have seen, but wasn't evident today."

Jones' side have lost six of 12 Tests in the calendar year, England's worst run since 2008.

Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2022 at 08:46

Funny that he keeps accepting responsibity for poor performances but still keeps his job? The guy should have been history for some time now. I'm not expecting anything more than a mediocre 6 Nations with the same old excuses being trotted out along the lines "we're learning and developing and building for the World Cup" which we will be nowhere near winning by the way

Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2022 at 11:16

Perhaps if the players had to actually win to receive their £15000 per game or is it more they might actually turn up.

Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2022 at 12:04

I would happily offer the next England coach a £1m contract - to be paid only if we win the Six Nations.

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2022 at 14:18

Apparently the RFU will conduct a review.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63772071" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63772071

Bill Sweeney says the union shares the frustrations of fans.

I say, "In the name of God, go."

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Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2022 at 18:02

Maybe they could do us all a favour and Go Together, the pair of them!!

Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2022 at 21:26

We need a good English DoR with a record of improving teams in trouble, preferably one who does not have a job.

How about Steve Diamond?

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Sweeney Delenda Est

Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2022 at 22:20

RFU not fit for purpose . .. please bring in a new coach . . . for me the controversial O Gara . . just for 6 nations and WC . . . he would shake things up.

Eddie had to go after last WC . . . the current rugby being played is turgid to say the least . . England has so much talent most of which is currently wasted.

Let the old guard of Vunipola's, Farrel, Youngs, Tualangi and even May go . . the are better hungrier players out there . . imagine a back row of Simmonds, Curry and Earl with Dombrandt and Willis or Pearson on the bench!!! and at 9 Mitchell, Van porvliet and Randall/Quirke . . 10 Smith with Fin Smith on bench!

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Run with it

Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2022 at 23:32

Jones to empty locker like a football manager, caretaker manager appointed.....

but who... a few seasons ago I would have said Rob Baxter - who else is looking for a job?

(how do you take 2 weeks to review the Autumn internationals?)

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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2022 at 13:18

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63835466" rel="nofollow - England head coach to learn fate by middle of next week

England head coach Eddie Jones will know by the middle of next week if he is going to be sacked, with his position under increasing pressure.

The Rugby Football Union is holding a review into England's disappointing autumn campaign, which culminated in a 27-13 defeat by South Africa.

The review panel is set to meet on Monday, with the findings discussed at a board meeting on Tuesday.

An official announcement could then be made by the middle of next week.

Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2022 at 13:20

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63815865" rel="nofollow - Ronan O'Gara: La Rochelle coach rules himself out of England job

Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2022 at 12:48

FHLH wrote:

Jones to empty locker like a football manager, caretaker manager appointed.....

but who... a few seasons ago I would have said Rob Baxter - who else is looking for a job?

(how do you take 2 weeks to review the Autumn internationals?)

You have to sober up first.

Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2022 at 13:22

WEvans wrote:

You have to sober up first

Looks like it's panning out as I forecast

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Posted By: Whistle watcher
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2022 at 08:42

My money is on Steve Bortwick, though it hurts me to say so.

Posted By: 373
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2022 at 15:35

Camquin wrote:

We need a good English DoR with a record of improving teams in trouble, preferably one who does not have a job.

How about Steve Diamond?

From the frying pan into the fire.

Players don’t like playing for Jones. Diamond would be another level of awful. Plus there’s no way of Stevie boy doing his usual ‘one for you, two for me’…

Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2022 at 07:22

England players seem to be playing scared

England cricketers didn’t kick ball into touch and

settle for a draw. They want to win. Whether

that happens remains to be seen but they are

not afraid to give it a go

Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2022 at 12:01

Having watched the game and the Kick to touch I cannot say I blame the decision. They were just outside their own 22 yard area - the potential of making it all the way up the pitch was narrow (at best) so I would say the call was sensible, yes the drama would have been great to watch but what would people be saying now if they had gone on to lose the ball in open play and then lost to a penalty goal or try? If we had been in their half and gone for goal or a line out I would have questioned their decision not to do so but that was not the case. Maybe that is the pessimism in me, but a draw was a good decision IMHO on that occasion.

However all other opinions expressed about the need for change etc. are valid as far as I am concerned.

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Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2022 at 12:25

Gatland returns to Wales, so that's one option ruled out.

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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2022 at 18:55

[QUOTE=castleparknight]Having watched the game and the Kick to touch I cannot say I blame the decision. They were just outside their own 22 yard area - the potential of making it all the way up the pitch was narrow (at best) so I would say the call was sensible, yes the drama would have been great to watch but what would people be saying now if they had gone on to lose the ball in open play and then lost to a penalty goal or try? If we had been in their half and gone for goal or a line out I would have questioned their decision not to do so but that was not the case. Maybe that is the pessimism in me, but a draw was a good decision IMHO on that occasion.

However all other opinions expressed about the need for change etc. are valid as far as I am concerned.

[/QUOTE

I think the players needed the draw and the fans and Eddie Jones needed a win

The difference however was that England’s cricket captain Ben Stokes believed his players

Could win and they did.

Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2022 at 19:53

Reports tonight (it's the Mail, so can't vouch for it, altho' their rugby bloke usually fairly well-informed) that Eddie will be sacked tomorrow & replaced by Borthwick...

Posted By: Pistacio
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 09:04

and Kevin Sinfield?

Posted By: WESTCOMBE RANGER
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 10:50

islander wrote:

Reports tonight (it's the Mail, so can't vouch for it, altho' their rugby bloke usually fairly well-informed) that Eddie will be sacked tomorrow & replaced by Borthwick...

Only for the 6 Nations then see what happens ?

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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 11:36

He's gone.

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 11:37

BBC announce Jones has gone - after a poor run of form.

I might have phrased it slightly differently.

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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 11:47

Camquin wrote:

BBC announce Jones has gone - after a poor run of form.

I might have phrased it slightly differently.

poor, dismal, woeful, disastrous - does it really matter which adjective is used?!

Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 11:50

I won't be shedding any tears. I have never seen any evidence that he was taking England forward. He has never had an idea who his best team was or been able to change plans in game when everything started to go awry.

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 11:51

Richard Huckleberryerill is interim coach

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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 12:09

Richard Lowther wrote:

I won't be shedding any tears. I have never seen any evidence that he was taking England forward. He has never had an idea who his best team was or been able to change plans in game when everything started to go awry.

I recall what seemed (at the time) some reasonably strong evidence of this after a game against NZ in Japan a few years ago. But it was quite fleeting - so maybe I dreamt it?

Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 12:31

a few years ago

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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 13:40

[QUOTE=Richard Lowther]I won't be shedding any tears. I have never seen any evidence that he was taking England forward. He has never had an idea who his best team was or been able to change plans in game when everything started to go awry. [/QUOTE]

The classic example for me was England being 31-0 at half time against Scotland at Twickenham in 2019, then luckily getting a draw after Scotland came back to score 38 points in the second half.

No on the field leadership in that game - No off the field leadership in that game. The problem was that it didn't stop at that game, it continued afterwards.

I am hoping for too much if I ask for Farrell to go too?

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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 16:42

Richard Lowther wrote:

I am hoping for too much if I ask for Farrell to go too?

Us Taffs wanted Eddie to stay, please keep Farrell for the same reason

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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 18:13

We’ll find a job for Eddie over in Ireland with all the

other discarded,rubbish England coaches Lancaster,Farrell,Catt and Rowntree

At some stage the players have to say we were not up to International standard.

Posted By: donnyladinsheffield
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 23:02

If the roles had been reversed would NZ have kicked to touch? We all know the answer and it tells us everything.

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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2022 at 10:20

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/64017216" rel="nofollow - Steve Borthwick to be confirmed as new head coach in coming days

Leicester boss Steve Borthwick is set to be confirmed as the new England head coach, with an announcement expected in the coming days.

The 43-year-old has been the overwhelming favourite for the role since Eddie Jones was sacked earlier in December.

The former England captain's first match in charge will be the Six Nations opener against Scotland on 4 February.

Borthwick will leave the Tigers after two-and-a-half years at Welford Road.

He orchestrated Leicester's hard-fought 23-16 win over Clermont Auvergne in the Champions Cup on Saturday.

However, he was unable to confirm afterwards if he would still be at the helm for the Premiership match with Gloucester on 24 December, instead praising his side's ability to win in adversity.

...

Borthwick's defence coach at the Tigers, rugby league great Kevin Sinfield, is tipped to join his England coaching staff.

Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2022 at 22:42

Steve@Mose wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/64017216" rel="nofollow - Steve Borthwick to be confirmed as new head coach in coming days

tomorrow, apparently... or today if you're reading this on Monday

Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2022 at 12:40

The Times have confirmed Steve Borthwick as New England coach

with Kevin Sinfield as assistant.

Posted By: One For The Ditch
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2022 at 14:39

tulip wrote:

The Times have confirmed Steve Borthwick as New England coach

with Kevin Sinfield as assistant.

As have the RFU!

Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2022 at 15:49

I prefer to believe what The Times says rather than RFU

Interestingly 3 of the biggest players in Rugby League in the last

20 years Shaun Edwards, Andy Farrell and Kevin Sinfield coaches in Six Nations.