Wasps in Kent
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Topic: Wasps in Kent
Posted By: Cherub
Subject: Wasps in Kent
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 07:19
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So Wasps are now looking to settle in Kent and build a new ground and sports complex there. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/67193921" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/67193921 Is it just me that finds this new proposal ridiculous and repulsive? They went into liquidation owing 95 million pounds! And now it seems they can just pop up again, obviously with the funds, to build a new sports complex. And unbelievably, Sevenoaks CC think it is a great idea. Are they mad? ------------- Always trying to stay bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. |
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 07:55
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Is anybody on this site from a community club near Coventry? Interested if wasps made any impact. Nominally, my club (in north Bucks) was in their pathway but I think that was largely ignored and everyone carried on looking to Saints.
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 08:25
It does make one wonder if there maybe something going on behind the scenes because I know Coventry and Tigers weren't happy about Wasps Wanderers turning up on their doorstep. The fact Sevenoaks seem willing to jump into bed with them out of the blue looks a bit strange to me. The rest of the Kent and south east London clubs are quite likely outraged and disgusted by this idea as I am. The arrogance that they can just plant themselves in Kent and gain a fanbase at the expense of the established community clubs is just beyond belief. I always thought the RFU required them to play at least 2 years in their old "home" area in order to be considered a continuation. They are going to be a new club with no continuity, they are nothing more than the MK Dons of English rugby, a franchise to be reviled and boycotted. Why were they not looking to develop Wasps FC anyway? I hope the RFU do the right thing and force them to start in Kent Counties 5 but I shan't hold my breath that sporting integrity will be maintained.
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Cherub wrote:Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 08:46
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I put elsewhere Sevenoaks RFC couldn’t get planning permission when they tried to relocate about 20 years ago due mainly to local opposition so cannot see that this has changed in fact probably got worse. Any available land in that area would be snapped up by developers for housing in a very expensive place to live ------------- So many Christians not enough Lions |
Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 08:46
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Surely the RFU will not allow a club who went bust owing 95 million to creditors to start again in Prem 2 and use the name Wasps. As you say Robb I shan’t hold my breath
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 08:54
They've said that they may be based at Sixways to begin with (prior to constructing this state-of-art ground
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 09:06
Askeans, Greenwich and Sevenoaks IIIs aren't going to like that!
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 09:17
| I just cannot see how it can possibly happen, they could not find an investor when they had a team and a ground and now think the will be able to fund a complete restart, it's not like they might entice some asset strippers, they don't have any. |
Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 09:31
| It does seem pie in the sky stuff. |
Posted By: *Stalwart
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 09:54
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Repulsive on every level. The arrogance is mind-boggling. ------------- *Stalwart |
Posted By: One For The Ditch
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 12:18
| I have to agree @Stalwart....Who do they think they are? A plethora of unpaid Rugby debts, a director being chased by HMRC for over half a million, and other creditors from the previous version hung out to dry. Kenny Logan was interviewed on Radio 4 this morning, he didn't reference the size of the previous failure either.............. |
Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2023 at 12:47
| I think this is just smoke and mirrors, either they will restart at 6ways and stay there or they will never start. Is Holland to be trusted? Is he just after the Worcester assets and has zero interest in Wasps? Wonder if the truth will ever come out of this sorry affair. |
Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2023 at 12:37
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I know the area where they are planning to relocate to quite well. Believe me, it is literally just off the M25 and there is absolutely nothing around there bar an industrial site across the road. West Kingsdown and Brands Hatch are about 3 or 4 miles down the road with a couple of villages in between. If this were to happen, I am really struggling to see where their fan base would come from. Swanley, Orpington, Bromley, Dartford are all a drive to the area. There is no other way to get there and from any direction you are looking at 20/30 minutes…. Why would you bother? ------------- Tackle Low!!!!! |
Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2023 at 12:53
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Sarf Lunnon. TV Foolish investors. Btw - why is this thread posted as an event? It's a complete non-event just killing time while newwasps try to worm their way around RFU regulations, as they know their money wouldn't support them all the way up the pyramid.
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2023 at 13:16
Surely Wasps don't deal in their own money just other peoples.
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2023 at 13:48
Wasps current thought process:  |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2023 at 13:53
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I thought it was more  ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: John Butler42
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2023 at 14:25
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The sheer arrogance of this reported story to me is scandalous. If the RFU allows this to happen then they too should hold their heads in shame, but then do they care who & what they upset. I totally agree with a previous posting, if they do rise, then they should begin again at the bottom of the pile. ------------- John Butler |
Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2024 at 09:14
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/furious-villagers-hold-tractor-protest-over-plans-to-build-28000-seat-rugby-stadium-and-housing-estate-on-greenbelt-land/ar-AA1mmWjy" rel="nofollow - Furious villagers hold tractor protest over plans to build 28,000-seat rugby stadium and housing estate on greenbelt land (msn.com)
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2024 at 10:25
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The chances of them scamming the cash together to build that are zero, given their interesting record of looking after other people's money. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: knightandday
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2024 at 10:41
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I would have thought raising the cash wouldn’t be too much of a problem. Sell the housing off plan would raise the cash. Time would be the factor as it would take years. ------------- Winning isn't everything, it just makes the beer taste better |
Posted By: HookerPaul
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2024 at 11:04
| If Kent council are anything like Cornwall council they will promise the world for the next 20 years and then put the plans in the shredder! |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2024 at 12:38
Seriously? ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2024 at 13:32
South East housing deficit is the key. Use rugby club as (i) potential employer and (ii) s106 offset for sports facilities. Self funding stadium: 2,900 houses at average 21% net margin say, 2,900 less 40% social housing (bargained down to 25%). So 2,900 x 75% x £400,000 [*average price] x 21% = ~£150m to £200m less build cost of social housing say, £100m less land cost £??? (some allegedly owned by golf club) Fun eh!! Feel free to pull apart!! * more likely £500,000-£600,000 given time delays Kent 2023 - Zoopla average house price Detached - £643,847 Semi-detached - £416,932 Terraced - £321,660 Flats - £218,350 - meets Local Plan 2040 objectives - close to London & Channel ports - buoyant buy-to-let market - one of few areas where house prices are still rising - additional £6m [Band D ~£2,000] in Council Tax (and yes, there will be extra costs) Ideal venture capital funded project
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Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2024 at 14:14
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You forget the long list of people that need to be paid including HMRC and DCMS and the little matter of £35m to bond holders ...Need to sell a good few houses .. |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2024 at 14:24
But, how do you pay those creditors from new funding body? If a way round can be found around Insolvency legislation....
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Posted By: Geoff DC
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2024 at 18:51
| They will have to be quick, donations to the Tory party won't be worth much after the next election. |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2024 at 12:56
100% are the Wasps Wanderers not wanted. I cannot believe Sevenoaks council are even considering this nonsense.
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2024 at 14:26
I don't think they have any choice bearing in mind the number of houses in the application
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2024 at 15:09
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I believe the council will be obliged to consider the application. And I do not believe commercial viability - of the new application or the existing businesses - is among of the things they are permitted to look at. The developers know what the council has to consider, and will have worded the proposal so it fits with the "local plan" or as it is known in the common tongue, the requirements imposed on the County council by Central Government. Remember, Michael Gove is going to punish all the lazy councils who do not have plans to build the houses he has promised. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2024 at 15:46
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c8vd3qpm50mo" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c8vd3qpm50mo How much it costs. It's a really old thread but Scarlets are renegotiating their loan with the council.
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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2024 at 19:33
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Would doubt if KCC would loan money out they are always pleading skint and keep cancelling projects and that sort of site will be prime for councils to meet their new housing targets ------------- So many Christians not enough Lions |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2024 at 12:21
Housing people rather than cuckoos is the way forward!
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2024 at 21:57
Aye. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2024 at 12:48
| Just seen a piece saying that Wasps are hoping to play at The Valley, home ground of Charlton Athletic, if they get a place at Level 2 next season. Heads still in clouds, it seems! |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2024 at 13:54
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You could hear the crowds at the Valley from Blackheath's Rectory Field ground. It is under three miles from the Eltham Pleasance. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |