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Topic: LSE1 Week 21 Predictions
Posted By: Shamrose
Subject: LSE1 Week 21 Predictions
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2022 at 12:32

I will score last week's catch up game when I score this week's games

MOTD has to be at North Walsham and someting has to give, whereas Hertford should close the gap on the top 3 unless CS astound us all. 

Dorking Brighton
Hertford CS Stags
Maidenhead Havant
North Walsham Sevenoaks
Tring Sidcup
Tunbridge Wells Westcombe Park
Wimbledon Sutton & Epsom

Only 6 rounds to go and I will be down at Dorking this Saturday and will no doubt watch a far better spectacle than I did at Twickenham on Saturday and for 5% of the price of admission but doubt I will drink anywhere near as muchBig smile 



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Posted By: SurreyRugby
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2022 at 15:33
Dorking 5-0 Brighton
Hertford 5-0 CS Stags
Maidenhead 1-4 Havant
North Walsham 1-4 Sevenoaks
Tring 1-4 Sidcup
Tunbridge Wells 0-4 Westcombe Park
Wimbledon 5-1 Sutton & Epsom


Posted By: Blahblahblah
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2022 at 17:24
Dorking 5-0 Brighton
Hertford 5-0 CS Stags
Maidenhead 1-4 Havant
North Walsham 1-4 Sevenoaks
Tring 1-4 Sidcup
Tunbridge Wells 1-5 Westcombe Park
Wimbledon 5-0 Sutton & Epsom


Posted By: FEZ ANT PLUCKER
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2022 at 23:01
DORKING 5-0 Brighton
HERTFORD 5-0 Cs Stags 1863
MAIDENHEAD 5-2 Havant
NORTH WALSHAM 4-1 Sevenoaks
TRING 4-0 Sidcup
Tunbridge Wells 0-4 WESTCOMBE PARK
WIMBLEDON 5-0 Sutton & Epsom

MOTD is at North Walsham. They could be the team to upset the Oaks rollercoaster if their win last week is anything to go by. Or is that just wishful thinking? Could be a high scorer at Maids with the 2 all weather exponents going head to head. Good luck to all.




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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2022 at 10:18
Dorking 5-0 Brighton
Hertford 5-0 Civil Service
Maidenhead 0-5 Havant
North Walsham 1-4 Sevenoaks
Tring  1-4 Sidcup
Tunbridge Wells  5-0 Westcombe Park
Wimbledon 5-0 Sutton & Epsom


Posted By: Thunderpants
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2022 at 15:03
Dorking Brighton 5-0
Hertford CS Stags 5-0
Maidenhead Havant 0-5
North Walsham Sevenoaks 5-1
Tring  Sidcup 4-1
Tunbridge Wells Westcombe Park 1-4
Wimbledon Sutton & Epsom 4-1


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Posted By: Anonymous
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2022 at 22:38
Dorking 5-0 Blues
Hertford 5-0 Stags
Maidenhead 1-5 Havant
North Walsham 1-4 Sevenoaks 
Tring 4-0 Sidcup
Twells 0-5 WP
Wimbledon 5-1 S&E



Posted By: Fatty1973
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2022 at 02:45
Dorking 5 - 0 Brighton
Hertford 5 - 0 CS Stags
Maidenhead 1 - 5 Havant 
North Walsham 1 - 5 Sevenoaks 
Tring 5 - 1 Sidcup
Tunbridge Wells 0 - 5 Westcombe Park 
Wimbledon 5 - 0 Sutton & Epsom 


Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2022 at 14:59
Dorking Brighton  5-0
Hertford CS Stags  5-0 
Maidenhead Havant  4-1
North Walsham Sevenoaks  4-1
Tring  Sidcup  5-0
Tunbridge Wells Westcombe Park  4-1
Wimbledon Sutton & Epsom  4-1


Posted By: Karlos F
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2022 at 15:14
Dorking 5 v 0 Bton
Herts.    5 v 0 CS
Maids.   2 v 5 Havant
NW.        2 v 5 7oaks
Tring      1 v 4 Cup
RTW       0 v 5 WP
Dons      1 v 4 S&E



Posted By: WESTCOMBE RANGER
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2022 at 15:50
Dorking Brighton  5-0
Hertford CS Stags  5-0 
Maidenhead Havant  5-2
North Walsham Sevenoaks  4-1
Tring  Sidcup  5-0
Tunbridge Wells Westcombe Park  2-5 
Wimbledon Sutton & Epsom  4-1


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Posted By: Kentish Man
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2022 at 17:00
Dorking Brighton  5-0
Hertford CS Stags  5-0 
Maidenhead Havant  5-1
North Walsham Sevenoaks  4-1
Tring  Sidcup  5-0
Tunbridge Wells Westcombe Park  1-5
Wimbledon Sutton & Epsom  4-1


Posted By: carlos fandango
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2022 at 17:05
Dorking Brighton   5-0
Hertford CS Stags   5-0
Maidenhead Havant      5-2
North Walsham Sevenoaks  1-4
Tring Sidcup         5-1
Tunbridge Wells Westcombe Park    1-5
Wimbledon Sutton & Epsom    4-1


Posted By: dave2dave
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2022 at 20:10
Dorking 5-0 Brighton
Hertford 5-0 CS Stags - 
Maidenhead 4-1 Havant  l
North Walsham 1-4 Sevenoaks
Tring  4-1 Sidcup
Tunbridge Wells 4-1 Westcombe Park
Wimbledon 5-0 Sutton & Epsom


Posted By: fatbear
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2022 at 20:46
Dorking 5-0 Brighton
Hertford 5-0 CS Stags
Maidenhead 5-1 Havant
North Walsham 5-1 Sevenoaks
Tring 4-1 Sidcup
Tunbridge Wells 4-1 Westcombe Park
Wimbledon 5-0 Sutton & Epsom


Posted By: Clueless like most
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2022 at 21:38
Dorking 5-0 Brighton
Hertford 5-0 CS Stags
Maidenhead 0-5Havant
North Walsham 4-1 Sevenoaks
Tring 1-4 Sidcup
Tunbridge Wells 0-5 Westcombe Park
Wimbledon 5-0 Sutton & Epsom


Posted By: Oyster Catcher
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 09:19
Dorking 5 Brighton 0
Hertford 5 Stags 0
Maidenhead 5 Havant 2
North Walsham 2 7oaks 5
Tring 5 Sidcup 1
T Wells 0 Combe 5
Wimbledon 5 Sutton & E 1


Posted By: Ancient Oak
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 09:51
Dorking  5 Brighton  0
Hertford 5 CS Stags 0
Maidenhead 1 Havant 4
N Walsham  1 Sevenoaks 5
Tring 4 Sidcup  1
T Wella 0 Westcombe Pk 5
Wimbledon 4 Sutton & E 1


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Posted By: Shamrose
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 10:51
Dorking 5 Brighton 0
Dorking will want maximum points to stay top and maybe take advantage of NW v Sevenoaks result. 
Hertford 5 CS Stags 0
Only one winner
Maidenhead 4 Havant 1
My upset of the day
North Walsham 5 Sevenoaks 2
Toss of a coin so going with home advantage
Tring  5 Sidcup 0
Tring should be too strong at home
Tunbridge Wells 0 Westcombe Park 5
Maybe the Westcombe bubble burst but they will be too strong in a Kent Derby
Wimbledon 5 Sutton & Epsom 0
Home win

Promotion news in Leagues above would suggest from this league two will go straight from each of the 4 regional Premier leagues but that would still leave 2 more places in those Leagues, but no idea will it be a play off or best league records that decide. Anyone heard


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 11:02
Two best 3rds - Play offs are a thing of the past (except of course when it suits) eg Bottom of Prem v Championship winners in a couple of years time


Posted By: Ghanian Eagle
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 19:52
Dorking 5 - Brighton 0
Herts 5 - CS 0
Maids 0 - Havant 4
NW 2 - 7oaks 5
Tring 4 - Cup 0
TW 0 - WP 5
Dons 4 - S&E 1.

Off to Norfolk tomorrow to avoid any tunnel queues on Sat.  



Posted By: HAVANT TONY
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2022 at 21:10
DORKING 5 BRIGHTON  O
HERTFORD 5 CS 0
MAIDENHEAD 1 HAVANT 5
NW 2 SEVENOAKS  2
TRING 4 SIDCUP 0
TW 0 WP 5
WIMBLEDON 5 S&E 0


Posted By: BigChief
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 08:42
Dorking 5 - 0 Brighton - Steady at home from D's
Hertford 5 - 0 CS Stags - As above
Maidenhead 1 - 5 Havant - Could be plenty of cards (which could favour either)
North Walsham 5 - 1 Sevenoaks - What a game in prospect - keep the updates updated chaps! (everyone is watching etc !)
Tring 5 - 1 Sidcup - Home advantage
Tunbridge Wells 0 - 5 Westcombe Park - Park should have recovered 
Wimbledon 5 - 0 Sutton & Epsom - Solid home win for Dons 


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Posted By: BruceElliott
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 11:12
Dorking 5-0 Brighton
Hertford 5-0 CS Stags
Maidenhead 1-4 Havant
North Walsham 0-5 Sevenoaks
Tring  4-1 Sidcup
Tunbridge Wells 0-5 Westcombe Park
Wimbledon 4-1 Sutton & Epsom


Posted By: DICKON
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 12:00
Dorking 5-0 Brighton
Hertford 5-0 CS Stags
Maidenhead 0-5 Havant
North Walsham 4-1 Sevenoaks
Tring  4-1 Sidcup
Tunbridge Wells 1-5 Westcombe Park
Wimbledon 5-0 Sutton & Epsom


Posted By: alacadoo trainee
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 18:31
6 games to go, injuries piling up and top 4 all into a shout and could go down to the last game of the season.
Dorking 5 v seasiders 0 lots of points for the announcer to get excited about.
Hertford 5 v stags 0 confidence booster
Maidenhead 0 v haven't 5 haven't are a good side
Farmers 5 v  8oaks 2 will be a cracking game.
Tring 5 v Cup 2 both teams can just throw the ball around.
RTW 0 v WP 5 WP left it to late to join the promotion pack - shame!
Wombles 5 v S&E 2 both teams can just throw the ball around




Posted By: Welshie
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2022 at 18:38
Dorking 5-0 Brighton
Hertford 5-0 CS Stags
Maidenhead 0-5 Havant
North Walsham 2-5 Sevenoaks
Tring 4-1 Sidcup
Tunbridge Wells 1-5 Westcombe Park
Wimbledon 5-1 S&E


Posted By: Wally
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2022 at 08:54
Dorking               5-0     Brighton
Hertford               5-0     CS Stags
Maidenhead          1-4     Havant
North Walsham        4-1     Sevenoaks
Tring                4-1     Sidcup
Tunbridge Wells          1-4     Westcombe Park
Wimbledon          5-0     Sutton & Epsom

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Posted By: Fatty1973
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2022 at 09:36
Hertford v CS Rugby not happening, CS cannot raise a team.


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2022 at 09:57
Originally posted by Fatty1973 Fatty1973 wrote:

Hertford v CS Rugby not happening, CS cannot raise a team.

Again.......

5th time this season. 


Posted By: Lord_Kitchener
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2022 at 10:08
As the precedent stands - 5 walkovers and it’s down to Lvl 10 next season sadly.


Posted By: Lord_Kitchener
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2022 at 10:12
Lvl 5 will consist of 6 leagues next year.

North West
North East
Midlands
South West
South
South East


Posted By: Kentish Man
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2022 at 10:22
L K ,   Any geographic structure ( decision) for Level 4 leagues yet ?



Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2022 at 11:04
North, South East and South West - can't draw lines yet until all participants are known


Posted By: Kentish Man
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2022 at 19:56
Interesting where the Midlands go then !


Posted By: Lord_Kitchener
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 13:01
CS Stags have been served notice that they are to be removed from the league and all their existing results for the season to be declared null and void.

They have until Friday evening to appeal.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 13:09
Well we look odds on for promotion and we're expecting to go into the South West (from North Shropshire) Yeah I know its daft but teams on the extremity of the regions will always be the one to suffer most as regards travelling


Posted By: BruceElliott
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 13:45
Originally posted by Lord_Kitchener Lord_Kitchener wrote:

CS Stags have been served notice that they are to be removed from the league and all their existing results for the season to be declared null and void.

They have until Friday evening to appeal.


If they choose to appeal there are potentially several stages of appeal, aren't there? Any idea how long that whole process might take?

I take it, if they can put a team together, they would be entitled to continue their season until the process is exhausted?


Posted By: Lord_Kitchener
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 17:01
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Well we look odds on for promotion and we're expecting to go into the South West (from North Shropshire) Yeah I know its daft but teams on the extremity of the regions will always be the one to suffer most as regards travelling

Which team?


Posted By: Lord_Kitchener
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 17:03
Originally posted by BruceElliott BruceElliott wrote:

Originally posted by Lord_Kitchener Lord_Kitchener wrote:

CS Stags have been served notice that they are to be removed from the league and all their existing results for the season to be declared null and void.

They have until Friday evening to appeal.


If they choose to appeal there are potentially several stages of appeal, aren't there? Any idea how long that whole process might take?

I take it, if they can put a team together, they would be entitled to continue their season until the process is exhausted?

That is correct. All games would be a “go” until appeal exhausted.





Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 17:09
Originally posted by Lord_Kitchener Lord_Kitchener wrote:

CS Stags have been served notice that they are to be removed from the league and all their existing results for the season to be declared null and void.

They have until Friday evening to appeal.

No one wants to see any club go to the wall. But I think for Civil Service, the RFU is left with no choice. If they only had 1 team and only a handful of people running them, it did surprise me they were able to last as long as they have. I did always think that they might not be in National 3 next season but to get pulled out the league by the RFU midseason seems harsh to them but I think fair to the rest of the clubs. 

I just feel for clubs who have yet to play them at home who will be missing out on bar takings


Posted By: Lord_Kitchener
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 17:19
Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Lord_Kitchener Lord_Kitchener wrote:

CS Stags have been served notice that they are to be removed from the league and all their existing results for the season to be declared null and void.

They have until Friday evening to appeal.

No one wants to see any club go to the wall. But I think for Civil Service, the RFU is left with no choice. If they only had 1 team and only a handful of people running them, it did surprise me they were able to last as long as they have. I did always think that they might not be in National 3 next season but to get pulled out the league by the RFU midseason seems harsh to them but I think fair to the rest of the clubs. 

I just feel for clubs who have yet to play them at home who will be missing out on bar takings.


Reg 13.6.11 (e + f)

It’s up to the local org committee to decide. Nothing about 5 games is mentioned. Which is the basis the league sec has made the call.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 17:46
Lord Kitch
Newport(Salop) top of Mids Prem
15 points needed from last 5 games to claim title, 10 needed for promotion in second spot
On a winning run of fifteen at the moment so hoping it's the former!! 


Posted By: Lord_Kitchener
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 18:11
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Lord Kitch
Newport(Salop) top of Mids Prem
15 points needed from last 5 games to claim title, 10 needed for promotion in second spot
On a winning run of fifteen at the moment so hoping it's the former!! 

As it stands and based on the beloved RFU mileage algorithm yes you are correct 2SW. Closest games Highly, Stourbridge and Bourneville.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 19:38
You have the algorithm? Do tell!!
Presume you mean Hinckley plus Lucs are another North Mids side who we'll come up against. 3 Bristol sides which isn't too different from trekking up to Scunny and Donny (plus Peterborough and Bedford Athletic in the past)
It's the Devon and Cornwall trips that are the worry - great if they're spread out but you can bet your bottom dollar  that they will all come in one block! 


Posted By: Lord_Kitchener
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 20:38
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

You have the algorithm? Do tell!!
Presume you mean Hinckley plus Lucs are another North Mids side who we'll come up against. 3 Bristol sides which isn't too different from trekking up to Scunny and Donny (plus Peterborough and Bedford Athletic in the past)
It's the Devon and Cornwall trips that are the worry - great if they're spread out but you can bet your bottom dollar  that they will all come in one block! 

That was based on early Feb standings.

I’ll try to update and revert.


Posted By: Lord_Kitchener
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 09:26
Originally posted by Lord_Kitchener Lord_Kitchener wrote:

Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

You have the algorithm? Do tell!!
Presume you mean Hinckley plus Lucs are another North Mids side who we'll come up against. 3 Bristol sides which isn't too different from trekking up to Scunny and Donny (plus Peterborough and Bedford Athletic in the past)
It's the Devon and Cornwall trips that are the worry - great if they're spread out but you can bet your bottom dollar  that they will all come in one block! 

That was based on early Feb standings.

I’ll try to update and revert.

DRAFT AFTER 5TH MARCH v1

▲ Redruth       ▲ Hull

LEVEL 4 NATIONAL 2 SW       NATIONAL 2 SE       NATIONAL 2N
  Clifton   1   ▼ Tonbridge Juddians   1   ▼ Leeds Tykes
  Dings Crusaders   2   Esher   2   Sedgeley  Park
  Hinkley   3   Worthing   3   Fylde
  Barnstaple   4   Henley   4   Rotherham Titans
  Stourbridge   5   Bury St. Edmunds   5   Hull Ionians
  Luctonians   6   Guernsey   6   Tynedale
  Loughborough Students   7   Old Albanians   7   Sheffield Tigers
  Bourneville   8   Barnes   8   Wharfedale
  Chester   9   Canterbury   9   Blaydon
  ▲ Newport (Salop)   10   Rochford Hundred   10   Huddersfield
  ▲ Exeter University   11   Westcliff   11   Harrogate
  ▲ Sheffield   12   Leicester Lions   12   ▲ Preston Grasshoppers
  ▲ Hornets   13   ▲ Dorking   13   ▲ Otley
  ▲ Old Redcliffians * SW   14   ▲ Sevenoaks   14   ▲ Blackburn * N


Posted By: Lord_Kitchener
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 10:19
Originally posted by Lord_Kitchener Lord_Kitchener wrote:

Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

You have the algorithm? Do tell!!
Presume you mean Hinckley plus Lucs are another North Mids side who we'll come up against. 3 Bristol sides which isn't too different from trekking up to Scunny and Donny (plus Peterborough and Bedford Athletic in the past)
It's the Devon and Cornwall trips that are the worry - great if they're spread out but you can bet your bottom dollar  that they will all come in one block! 

That was based on early Feb standings.

I’ll try to update and revert.

LEVEL 5 NATIONAL 3 SOUTH WEST NATIONAL 3 SOUTH NATIONAL 3 SOUTH EAST NATIONAL 3 MIDLANDS NATIONAL 3 NORTH WEST NATIONAL 3 NORTH EAST
Weston Super Mare 1 Bournemouth 1 Hertford 1 Syston 1 Sandbach 1 Sc-unthorpe
Exmouth 2 Royal Wooten Bassett 2 North Walsham 2 Bromsgrove 2 Lymm 2 Doncaster Phoenix
Launceston 3 Havant 3 Westcombe Park 3 Burton 3 Macclesfield 3 Paviors
Ivybridge 4 Tring 4 Sidcup 4 Dudley Kingswinford 4 Wirral 4 Billingham
Brixham 5 Maidenhead 5 Sutton & Epsom 5 Broadstreet 5 Rossendale 5 Alnwick
Camborne 6 Wimbledon 6 Brighton 6 Nuneaton 6 Burnage 6 York
Okehampton 7 ▲ Banbury 7 Tunbridge Wells 7 Oundle 7 Kirkby Lonsdale 7 Sandal
Old Centralians 8 ▲ Oxford Harlequins 8 ▲ Shelford 8 Bridgnorth 8 Northwich 8 ▲ Driffield
Drybrook 9 ▲ Bracknell 9 ▲ Sudbury 9 ▲ Lichfield 9 ▲ Manchester 9 ▲ Ilkley
▲ Chew Valley 10 ▲ Camberley 10 ▲ Harpenden 10 ▲ Kenilworth 10 ▲ Stoke on Trent 10 ▲ Heath
▲ St Austell 11 ▲ London Welsh 11 ▲ Medway 11 ▲ Bedford Athletic 11 ▲ Stockport 11 ▲ Derby
▲ Thornbury 12 ▲ Newbury Blues * SW1E 12 ▲ Southend Saxons  * SE1N 12 ▲ West Bridgford 12 ▲ Kendal 12 ▲ Cleckheaton * N1E
◬ CS Stags * Withdrawn 


Posted By: Count Ford
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 11:53
Originally posted by Lord_Kitchener Lord_Kitchener wrote:

Originally posted by Lord_Kitchener Lord_Kitchener wrote:

Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

You have the algorithm? Do tell!!
Presume you mean Hinckley plus Lucs are another North Mids side who we'll come up against. 3 Bristol sides which isn't too different from trekking up to Scunny and Donny (plus Peterborough and Bedford Athletic in the past)
It's the Devon and Cornwall trips that are the worry - great if they're spread out but you can bet your bottom dollar  that they will all come in one block! 

That was based on early Feb standings.

I’ll try to update and revert.

LEVEL 5 NATIONAL 3 SOUTH WEST NATIONAL 3 SOUTH NATIONAL 3 SOUTH EAST NATIONAL 3 MIDLANDS NATIONAL 3 NORTH WEST NATIONAL 3 NORTH EAST
Weston Super Mare 1 Bournemouth 1 Hertford 1 Syston 1 Sandbach 1 Sc-unthorpe
Exmouth 2 Royal Wooten Bassett 2 North Walsham 2 Bromsgrove 2 Lymm 2 Doncaster Phoenix
Launceston 3 Havant 3 Westcombe Park 3 Burton 3 Macclesfield 3 Paviors
Ivybridge 4 Tring 4 Sidcup 4 Dudley Kingswinford 4 Wirral 4 Billingham
Brixham 5 Maidenhead 5 Sutton & Epsom 5 Broadstreet 5 Rossendale 5 Alnwick
Camborne 6 Wimbledon 6 Brighton 6 Nuneaton 6 Burnage 6 York
Okehampton 7 ▲ Banbury 7 Tunbridge Wells 7 Oundle 7 Kirkby Lonsdale 7 Sandal
Old Centralians 8 ▲ Oxford Harlequins 8 ▲ Shelford 8 Bridgnorth 8 Northwich 8 ▲ Driffield
Drybrook 9 ▲ Bracknell 9 ▲ Sudbury 9 ▲ Lichfield 9 ▲ Manchester 9 ▲ Ilkley
▲ Chew Valley 10 ▲ Camberley 10 ▲ Harpenden 10 ▲ Kenilworth 10 ▲ Stoke on Trent 10 ▲ Heath
▲ St Austell 11 ▲ London Welsh 11 ▲ Medway 11 ▲ Bedford Athletic 11 ▲ Stockport 11 ▲ Derby
▲ Thornbury 12 ▲ Newbury Blues * SW1E 12 ▲ Southend Saxons  * SE1N 12 ▲ West Bridgford 12 ▲ Kendal 12 ▲ Cleckheaton * N1E
◬ CS Stags * Withdrawn 

I think Stoke On Trent (as part of Staffordshire) would fall under Midlands rather than North West


Posted By: Lord_Kitchener
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 12:26
Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:

Originally posted by Lord_Kitchener Lord_Kitchener wrote:

Originally posted by Lord_Kitchener Lord_Kitchener wrote:

Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

You have the algorithm? Do tell!!
Presume you mean Hinckley plus Lucs are another North Mids side who we'll come up against. 3 Bristol sides which isn't too different from trekking up to Scunny and Donny (plus Peterborough and Bedford Athletic in the past)
It's the Devon and Cornwall trips that are the worry - great if they're spread out but you can bet your bottom dollar  that they will all come in one block! 

That was based on early Feb standings.

I’ll try to update and revert.

LEVEL 5 NATIONAL 3 SOUTH WEST NATIONAL 3 SOUTH NATIONAL 3 SOUTH EAST NATIONAL 3 MIDLANDS NATIONAL 3 NORTH WEST NATIONAL 3 NORTH EAST
Weston Super Mare 1 Bournemouth 1 Hertford 1 Syston 1 Sandbach 1 Sc-unthorpe
Exmouth 2 Royal Wooten Bassett 2 North Walsham 2 Bromsgrove 2 Lymm 2 Doncaster Phoenix
Launceston 3 Havant 3 Westcombe Park 3 Burton 3 Macclesfield 3 Paviors
Ivybridge 4 Tring 4 Sidcup 4 Dudley Kingswinford 4 Wirral 4 Billingham
Brixham 5 Maidenhead 5 Sutton & Epsom 5 Broadstreet 5 Rossendale 5 Alnwick
Camborne 6 Wimbledon 6 Brighton 6 Nuneaton 6 Burnage 6 York
Okehampton 7 ▲ Banbury 7 Tunbridge Wells 7 Oundle 7 Kirkby Lonsdale 7 Sandal
Old Centralians 8 ▲ Oxford Harlequins 8 ▲ Shelford 8 Bridgnorth 8 Northwich 8 ▲ Driffield
Drybrook 9 ▲ Bracknell 9 ▲ Sudbury 9 ▲ Lichfield 9 ▲ Manchester 9 ▲ Ilkley
▲ Chew Valley 10 ▲ Camberley 10 ▲ Harpenden 10 ▲ Kenilworth 10 ▲ Stoke on Trent 10 ▲ Heath
▲ St Austell 11 ▲ London Welsh 11 ▲ Medway 11 ▲ Bedford Athletic 11 ▲ Stockport 11 ▲ Derby
▲ Thornbury 12 ▲ Newbury Blues * SW1E 12 ▲ Southend Saxons  * SE1N 12 ▲ West Bridgford 12 ▲ Kendal 12 ▲ Cleckheaton * N1E
◬ CS Stags * Withdrawn 

I think Stoke On Trent (as part of Staffordshire) would fall under Midlands rather than North West

Possibly - but when you start comparing the distances etc that may change.


Posted By: PM009
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2022 at 14:47
Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Lord_Kitchener Lord_Kitchener wrote:

CS Stags have been served notice that they are to be removed from the league and all their existing results for the season to be declared null and void.

They have until Friday evening to appeal.

No one wants to see any club go to the wall. But I think for Civil Service, the RFU is left with no choice. If they only had 1 team and only a handful of people running them, it did surprise me they were able to last as long as they have. I did always think that they might not be in National 3 next season but to get pulled out the league by the RFU midseason seems harsh to them but I think fair to the rest of the clubs. 

I just feel for clubs who have yet to play them at home who will be missing out on bar takings

I feel for CS’s situation but they have cancelled their last 3 away matches, costing those clubs match day revenue etc, which playing their last 2 home games and according to their website are planning on playing another home game this weekend (not sure if it will go ahead, presume they’re planning an appeal), but cheeky if you ask me


Posted By: HAVANT TONY
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2022 at 17:20
I'm afraid I've got no sympathy for CS it's a boring soulless place to play rugby, they have one team only and 3 fans and a dog ! I guess theyve only survived over the years by a couple of people with money to pay their players ?
If it's true that they will only play their remaining home games and not bother with the away fixtures then that's a joke ..our tills are gonna suffer for that
Everytime weve played them over the years they've  never hung around after the game for a beer, never seemed to have a lot of camaraderie amongst their players.
Yeah true they are an historic club which no one can argue about and it's sad a club with that much pedigree are now facing life several leagues lower ... but I ain't gonna miss them


Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2022 at 07:42
Can anyone explain the pathway from L5 to L6 in the new structure?  Nat3NE & Nat3NW will obviously feed into 2N, and on the same premise I can assume that Nat3SW will flow into 2SW, and Nat3SE to 2SE.   But what about Nat3South and Nat3Midlands?  Will each promoted club be moved to 2SE/ SW on a case-by-case basis?  I can see the leagues becoming very fluid as level transfers are required year-on-year.


Posted By: Lord_Kitchener
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2022 at 09:42
Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Can anyone explain the pathway from L5 to L6 in the new structure?  Nat3NE & Nat3NW will obviously feed into 2N, and on the same premise I can assume that Nat3SW will flow into 2SW, and Nat3SE to 2SE.   But what about Nat3South and Nat3Midlands?  Will each promoted club be moved to 2SE/ SW on a case-by-case basis?  I can see the leagues becoming very fluid as level transfers are required year-on-year.

It's so hard to predict at the moment and we'll give ourselves headaches if we try to.

When everyone has been promoted and relegated (post the 2022/23 season) then there will be rejigging and level movements no doubt.

Nat 3 SW / S / SE will feed Nat 2 SW / SE but then by doing so that may shift some teams Between Nat 2 SW / SE and possibly M.

Whilst it is always possible to predict within about 85% accuracy the powers that be could always through a curveball.



Posted By: Lord_Kitchener
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2022 at 09:43
Originally posted by Lord_Kitchener Lord_Kitchener wrote:

Originally posted by Lord_Kitchener Lord_Kitchener wrote:

Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

You have the algorithm? Do tell!!
Presume you mean Hinckley plus Lucs are another North Mids side who we'll come up against. 3 Bristol sides which isn't too different from trekking up to Scunny and Donny (plus Peterborough and Bedford Athletic in the past)
It's the Devon and Cornwall trips that are the worry - great if they're spread out but you can bet your bottom dollar  that they will all come in one block! 

That was based on early Feb standings.

I’ll try to update and revert.

LEVEL 5 NATIONAL 3 SOUTH WEST NATIONAL 3 SOUTH NATIONAL 3 SOUTH EAST NATIONAL 3 MIDLANDS NATIONAL 3 NORTH WEST NATIONAL 3 NORTH EAST
Weston Super Mare 1 Bournemouth 1 Hertford 1 Syston 1 Sandbach 1 Sc-unthorpe
Exmouth 2 Royal Wooten Bassett 2 North Walsham 2 Bromsgrove 2 Lymm 2 Doncaster Phoenix
Launceston 3 Havant 3 Westcombe Park 3 Burton 3 Macclesfield 3 Paviors
Ivybridge 4 Tring 4 Sidcup 4 Dudley Kingswinford 4 Wirral 4 Billingham
Brixham 5 Maidenhead 5 Sutton & Epsom 5 Broadstreet 5 Rossendale 5 Alnwick
Camborne 6 Wimbledon 6 Brighton 6 Nuneaton 6 Burnage 6 York
Okehampton 7 ▲ Banbury 7 Tunbridge Wells 7 Oundle 7 Kirkby Lonsdale 7 Sandal
Old Centralians 8 ▲ Oxford Harlequins 8 ▲ Shelford 8 Bridgnorth 8 Northwich 8 ▲ Driffield
Drybrook 9 ▲ Bracknell 9 ▲ Sudbury 9 ▲ Lichfield 9 ▲ Manchester 9 ▲ Ilkley
▲ Chew Valley 10 ▲ Camberley 10 ▲ Harpenden 10 ▲ Kenilworth 10 ▲ Stoke on Trent 10 ▲ Heath
▲ St Austell 11 ▲ London Welsh 11 ▲ Medway 11 ▲ Bedford Athletic 11 ▲ Stockport 11 ▲ Derby
▲ Thornbury 12 ▲ Newbury Blues * SW1E 12 ▲ Southend Saxons  * SE1N 12 ▲ West Bridgford 12 ▲ Kendal 12 ▲ Cleckheaton * N1E
◬ CS Stags * Withdrawn 

I DO REITERATE THAT THIS IS PURELY SPECULATIVE.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2022 at 09:44
Not sure where this Nat3 title has come from - not even classed as that now with only 4 leagues so I doubt they will be given that title with 6!?
I believe play-offs between 2nd placed clubs is now a thing of the past so I would imagine the 6 champions from Level 5 will be promoted and bottom 2 in each division at Level 4 will be relegated
As now level transfers will doubtless be required once the 42 clubs are finalised and of course that will decide where the ever-fluid geographical lines will be drawn. Things are never simple but you are probably right about the Northern division although even now there is talk that Chester might get sucked into South West or maybe even Sheffield into South East
Best wait and see but I can guarantee there will be some disgruntled clubs (as there always is) with clubs on the extremities of their regions the most likely to suffer


Posted By: Lord_Kitchener
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2022 at 10:00
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Not sure where this Nat3 title has come from - not even classed as that now with only 4 leagues so I doubt they will be given that title with 6!?
I believe play-offs between 2nd placed clubs is now a thing of the past so I would imagine the 6 champions from Level 5 will be promoted and bottom 2 in each division at Level 4 will be relegated
As now level transfers will doubtless be required once the 42 clubs are finalised and of course that will decide where the ever-fluid geographical lines will be drawn. Things are never simple but you are probably right about the Northern division although even now there is talk that Chester might get sucked into South West or maybe even Sheffield into South East
Best wait and see but I can guarantee there will be some disgruntled clubs (as there always is) with clubs on the extremities of their regions the most likely to suffer

Its for reference only. You are correct with 6 winners only going up and 2 down form L4<->L5.


Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2022 at 11:00
Originally posted by Lord_Kitchener Lord_Kitchener wrote:

Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Can anyone explain the pathway from L5 to L6 in the new structure?  Nat3NE & Nat3NW will obviously feed into 2N, and on the same premise I can assume that Nat3SW will flow into 2SW, and Nat3SE to 2SE.   But what about Nat3South and Nat3Midlands?  Will each promoted club be moved to 2SE/ SW on a case-by-case basis?  I can see the leagues becoming very fluid as level transfers are required year-on-year.

It's so hard to predict at the moment and we'll give ourselves headaches if we try to.

When everyone has been promoted and relegated (post the 2022/23 season) then there will be rejigging and level movements no doubt.

Nat 3 SW / S / SE will feed Nat 2 SW / SE but then by doing so that may shift some teams Between Nat 2 SW / SE and possibly M.

Whilst it is always possible to predict within about 85% accuracy the powers that be could always through a curveball.


Thanks for the info - I realise that it's all speculative but it's more informative than anything else I've seen so far!


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2022 at 11:10
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Not sure where this Nat3 title has come from - not even classed as that now with only 4 leagues so I doubt they will be given that title with 6!?
I believe play-offs between 2nd placed clubs is now a thing of the past so I would imagine the 6 champions from Level 5 will be promoted and bottom 2 in each division at Level 4 will be relegated
As now level transfers will doubtless be required once the 42 clubs are finalised and of course that will decide where the ever-fluid geographical lines will be drawn. Things are never simple but you are probably right about the Northern division although even now there is talk that Chester might get sucked into South West or maybe even Sheffield into South East
Best wait and see but I can guarantee there will be some disgruntled clubs (as there always is) with clubs on the extremities of their regions the most likely to suffer


Historically Level 5 was Nat3 but hasn't been officially for a number of years - some people cannot get that into their heads.



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