24/25 Week 1
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Topic: 24/25 Week 1
Posted By: FHLH
Subject: 24/25 Week 1
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2024 at 16:32
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Week One 1st / 2nd November There are some tasty fixtures coming up - issues include DR (regrettably) but main interest, for me, is Caldy at home to Newcastle. Caldy are quite capable of turning over higher clubs but then Newcastle went and beat Exeter. Caldy's performance will be interesting, notwithstanding their bottom position especially after their decent showing against Coventry. Saints fixture also looks tasty - but it's Premiership clubs so doesn't count  )Pirates v Exeter (possible DR issues??) Doncaster v Sale (testing for Doncaster) Northampton v Leicester (home win) Nottingham v Coventry (Cov looking to make a point) Ampthill v Bath (good gate £ for Amps as Bedford are far away) Caldy v Newcastle Falcons (chance for Caldy) London Scottish v Harlequins (possible DR issues) Hartpury RFC v Gloucester (possible DR issues) Bristol v Bedford Blues (tough nut for Blues to crack) Ealing Trailfinders v Saracens (Ealing have point to make) ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
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Posted By: *Stalwart
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2024 at 19:40
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The Pirates v Exeter game is sold out! A good result for the club whatever happens on the field. ------------- *Stalwart |
Posted By: fatbear
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2024 at 20:01
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From a Chinnor point of view, waiting to hear how much compensation Chinnor and Cambridge will received for their loss of income after being shafted........... Shame on all the Championship clubs for gleefully taking the money..........
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Posted By: *Stalwart
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2024 at 21:54
I feel your pain and think it's a disgrace the way Chinnor and Cambridge were treated. But this is the reality of where we are. ------------- *Stalwart |
fatbear wrote:Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 04:12
Looking at the fixtures above it's going to be an extraordinary day at the tills for a few Championship clubs.  Not sure what parking Ampthill have in place. ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: Baggins
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 08:33
Same as usual; zero It is also not a town blessed with large amounts of car parking Should be an interesting day for residents ------------- Propping up the board |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 10:00
Can't remember the number(s), but there was a perfectly decent bus service from Flitwick Station, and I believe Bedford too, for those prepared to devise their own park 'n' ride options, or indeed to train the whole way (2' 56" from Bath Spa according to Trainline)
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Posted By: JZSmith
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 11:53
| Quins v Quins should be a classic! |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 12:14
Cynical? Moi?  ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: BigChief
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 15:43
As will; Gloss' v Gloss' and Chiefs v Chiefs I'm sure  ------------- For the ordinary purposes of conversation, a superficial knowledge of many things goes further than an intimacy with one or two. |
Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 16:18
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Of these two teams, 11 from both sides have played for Leicester Lions in past couple of years(one when they were in Nat 2). Nice to see Nat 1 is involved in the players development, sure some other clubs will have also had some of these young players turn out for them. Four of the Tigers squad have played in Nat 1 this season and one of the Saints players played for Lions last week, will be a big step up for him. 15 George Pearson *
14 Malelili Satala * 13 Will Wand [4] 12 Solomone Kata [20] 11 Jack Kinder * 10 Jamie ShillHuckleberry [32] 9 Tom Whiteley [31] 1 James Whitcombe [51] 2 Finn Theobald-Thomas [11] 3 Tim Hoyt [2] 4 Côme Joussain [5] 5 Tom Manz [8] 6 Matt Rogerson [18] 7 Emeka Ilione [25] 8 Kyle Hatherell [22] REPLACEMENTS 16 Archie Vanes [14] 17 Archie van der Flier [1] 18 Henry Mountford * 19 Lewis Chessum [9] 20 Sam Williams * 21 Charlie Bemand * 22 Charlie Myall [1] 23 Tom Threlfall * *Leicester Tigers senior debut 15 George Hendy 14 Mitieli Vulikijapani* – Saint #2097 13 Tom Litchfield 12 Charlie Savala 11 Tom Seabrook 10 George Makepeace-Cubitt 9 Archie McParland 1 Tarek Haffar 2 Craig Wright 3 Luke Green 4 Chunya Munga (c) 5 Gavin Thornbury 6 Fyn Brown – Saint #2096 7 Angus Scott-Young 8 Henry Pollock Replacements: 16 Nathan Langdon – Northampton Saints debut 17 Emmanuel Iyogun 18 Sonny Tonga’uiha – Northampton Saints debut 19 Will Spencer – Northampton Saints debut 20 Josh Kemeny 21 Jonny Weimann – Northampton Saints debut 22 James Ramm 23 Ewan Baker *denotes guest player |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 16:30
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I remember when Will Wand was playing for Cambridge Exiles before he cemented a fist team shirt. Tom Whiteley had a couple of games with us. Archie Vanes had five. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 16:37
Chiefs vs. Pirates is a sellout. So that is 3000 tickets and hospitality for Prem cup vs. Probably 500 for a champ cup fixture. If I estimate £25 per head on average (ticket, bar takings), then that is am extra £62.5k of revenue for Pirates that has cost the RFU and PRL nothing. I approve.
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Posted By: BigChief
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 17:16
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Alas Scots don't have full use of the RAG (being tenants) but should be a decent enough crowd to bring in some income. Richmond have opened up a 'pre match hospitality venture' for England matches, which is a good move for them and should generate some ££ (I just hope our London Scottish Piper doesn't drown out any speakers or cause too much of a distraction for those attending on Saturday )------------- For the ordinary purposes of conversation, a superficial knowledge of many things goes further than an intimacy with one or two. |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 21:44
these calculations are interesting Gerg, & could prove useful for Cambridge & Chinnor in pursuing their claims for compensation...
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2024 at 22:09
They are probably a bit conservative to be honest, but I didn't want to get into too much detail today as I am legally non compos mentis for the next 12 hours due to surgery.
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 12:28
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Ealing Trailfinders to face Saracens: Strong side, probably the best Ealing can put out, though I was hopeful we might see Simon Uzokwe and Bobby DeWee after they played in the friendly last week as part of recovery
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 12:33
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Saracens Men team to play Ealing Trailfinders: Very beatable team. I would be surprised not to win this (famous last words). 1 Phil Brantingham 2 Kapeli Pifeleti 3 Fraser Balmain 4 Harry Wilson 5 Olamide Sodeke 6 Max Eke 7 Toby Knight 8 Nathan Michelow (c) 9 Charlie Bracken 10 Tim Swiel 11 Brandon Jackson 12 Josh Hallett 13 Sam Spink 14 Angus Hall 15 Tom Parton Replacements: 16 James Hadfield 17 Sam Crean 18 Ollie Hoskins 19 Kennedy Sylvester 20 Izaiha Moore-Aiono 21 Callum Braley 22 Max Clark 23 Jack Bracken |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 15:34
Weird that LS v Quins game is Sat, 2pm, 70 mins b4 the ENG/NZ game down the road at 'Ally Pally' kicks off. I guess Friday may have been out as Quins played the previous Sunday, and Sunday as they play the following Friday, but you'd think an early or late KO might have resulted in a few more attendees...
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Posted By: BigChief
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 16:20
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Timings do seem rather odd. Its certainly going to be a busy day at the RAG ! ------------- For the ordinary purposes of conversation, a superficial knowledge of many things goes further than an intimacy with one or two. |
Posted By: fatbear
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 17:48
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Are any of the games being live streamed anywhere ? |
Posted By: Geoff DC
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 18:06
Not allowed by the 'R F U' they have said 'F U' to the competition Otherwise Pirates v Chiefs would have had a few thousand viewers |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 18:30
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I believe a game is on Discovery TV, you can guess which. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: fatbear
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 18:31
Shocking, but hardly surprising given the RFU's running of the competition |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 20:19
| Pirates 7 - Chiefs 40 HT - Was listening on radio Cornwall. One way traffic. |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 20:26
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Knights 27 Sharks 17 HT ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 20:31
Assuming Saints Tigers is. There's a TV crew here.
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 20:34
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Nottingham 3 Coventry 12 HT ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 21:07
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Knights 37 Sharks 29
About 10 to go
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 21:16
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Knights 37 Sharks 36 YC for donny
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 21:17
| Knights 37 Sharks 43 |
Posted By: Nat1
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 21:20
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Pirates decimated 68 - 7 at home by Chiefs. Was that a full strength Pirates team too?
Knights gave a good account of themselves v Sale at least.
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 21:21
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Full time, 2 points to Donny, but so close to an upset. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2024 at 23:26
| Castle park attendance 2408, best of the season so far |
Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 00:25
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Nottingham 15 v 34 Coventry (0 v 5) A harder fought and more competitive game than the final score would suggest, but largely dominated by the referee's whistle with a balanced but very high and pretty evenly balanced number of penalties.(30). I'm glad to see the 5 points to nil, but somewhat concerned by the state of the Coventry fly half Richman, seen on crutches after he was taken off, and the failure to return from an HIA of Coventry high-scoring winger Hutler following a hands-free charge head-to-head tackle when another wise clear run to the line beckoned. This did result in a red card for the Nottingham player, and could reasonably have been given as a penalty try. Hopefully both these key players will recover and be available for the next round. Equally hopefully the disciplinary panel will ensure that the defender is not available for some time.
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Posted By: John Butler42
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 11:43
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Nick Ryan Hutler did return after his HIA i gather Tommy Mathews is back in training which might ease the fly half situation given as you say Liam Richman was seen on crutches. Pity there are still refs who believe the crowd have come to see them perform ! ------------- John Butler |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 12:25
It was on TNT Sports. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 15:34
| Ealing 24 (BP) - Saracens 0 - 32' - 2 YCs and a penalty try against Sarries just now. |
Posted By: oneagainstthehead
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 15:35
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Championship flag flying high at Vallis Way Ealing 24 (BP) - 0 Saracens Carries down to 13 with yellow cards, Ealing scrummaging them off the park. ------------- Speak softly, but carry a big stick. |
Posted By: BigChief
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 15:56
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FT at the RAG. London Scottish 22 - 35 Harlequins ------------- For the ordinary purposes of conversation, a superficial knowledge of many things goes further than an intimacy with one or two. |
Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 16:02
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BBC reports Ampthill 0 - 73 Bath.
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 16:30
| Ealing 29 (BP) - Saracens12 (2T)- 66' - messy second half |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 16:43
| Ealing 29 (BP) - Saracens19 (3T) FT - Ealing just gave up one of the all time stupidest tries that I have ever seen. With a wing flying downfield for a sure try, he passed inside and the man was hauled down. At the next phase the ball went loose and Saracens hacked it down field for a length of the pitch try. Ealing have had at least two tries go begging in the last 5. |
Posted By: Bigbluepip
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 17:30
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Congratulations Ealing, great result. ------------- I want you all to line up in a circle and pair up in three's alphabetically by height. |
Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 19:37
Totally meaningless
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 20:11
I believe you'll find it is worth 5 table points.
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 20:26
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Are the any meaningful matches this season? ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: oneagainstthehead
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 20:59
Meaningless? Did this match move the world off its axis? No. Did it change the fortunes of Saracens? No. Did it improve Ealing future prospects of Premiership rugby? No. But … Did 2000+ have a good afternoon out? Did 46 professional players bust a gut for themselves, their teammates, their fans? Did Saracens fans turn to their Ealing neighbours and congratulate them on their victory? Could Ealing have done more than beat the 23 chosen to oppose them? Did Ealing improve their chances of progressing in this competition? Does the Championship not gain some vicarious kudos from this match? … Meaningless? Shame on you. ------------- Speak softly, but carry a big stick. |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2024 at 21:28
| Agree with the criticism of Moseley Mauler for a snide, worthless contribution. Pity that when some leagues have a rest week, a small number of supporters have nothing better to do… |
Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2024 at 13:02
Thanks for the correction John. I must have missed that in the very busy commentary. It's tricky keeping track, especially with the 6'2 ratio of forwards to backs on the bench when Coventry needed at least three spare backs this time with injuries and yellow cards.
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Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2024 at 13:38
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Interesting how the results have gone especially with many of the Championship clubs losing their Prem DR's for the cup and it shows in the results The championship clubs who have little or no DR's doing best. Not sure of the logic of the cup going forwards if that situation continues especially if the RFU want Prem clubs to have 15 DR's. What happens in the Cup then when effectively Prem Clubs team faces their Championship clubs
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Posted By: JZSmith
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2024 at 10:29
I think your mistake is applying logic to anything the RFU do workerbee!
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Posted By: John Butler42
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2024 at 15:11
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Logic of the Cup going forward. Cov have not played EITHER Leicester or Northampton for well nigh 30 YEARS. If the Cup assists in changing that then so be it for me.  ------------- John Butler |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2024 at 15:52
It doesn't feel that long since Leicester beat us in the cup at CR, John. I'm sure it is, just doesn't feel it! ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2024 at 22:23
I think it is more home advantage plays an important aspect.
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