RFU chief executive says game 'on cusp of somethin
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Topic: RFU chief executive says game 'on cusp of somethin
Posted By: Steve@Mose
Subject: RFU chief executive says game 'on cusp of somethin
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2023 at 23:15
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/67011177" rel="nofollow - Bill Sweeney: RFU chief executive says game 'on cusp of something quite spectacular'
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2023 at 23:48
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Premiership £m Everyone else £0 ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 07:21
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So out of touch still only interested in England and Premiership ------------- So many Christians not enough Lions |
Posted By: rugbychris
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 08:09
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Sounds a bit like Putin. He doesn't know how many CEOs since 2003 (you would think he should) and now we need continuity. Comrade Sweeney for another 30 unelected years. Expect the council to be disbanded so that he can rule with impunity.
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Posted By: Old Gold
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 09:56
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Clueless. ------------- One Club |
Posted By: Thunderbird
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 10:03
| Yes!!!! and I forgot to mention my massive £680000 a year salary. |
Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 10:21
| A bit of pruning at the top whilst the roots lack nourishment and are withering away, not quite as bad as Wales yet where their lower league clubs are cancelling games due to lack of players, but how long before clubs lower down have to throw in the towel? |
Posted By: GreenThrough&Through
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 10:34
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The Premiership clubs have vehemently opposed central contracting in any form for years. I'd be interest to know the value of the sweetener they are going to get for relaxing their position to allow 'hybrid contracts'.
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Posted By: One For The Ditch
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 10:42
| Unless there is a concurrent investment in the community/grassroots piece, Sweeny's chat is for the birds. |
Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 11:33
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Deluded, he has to go !!! Where do your prem players come from? Grassroots!!! ------------- Run with it |
Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 11:37
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Bill Sweeney is absolutely correct when he says "we are on the cusp of something spectacular" - spectacularly bad!! How many times do we have to say that He and the RFU are only interested in England and the Premiership and the rest of the game can go whistle? Summed it up perfectly for me when there was "furore" that Council had the audacity to raise concerns on the eve of the World Cup "when all our attention should be focused on England and supporting the team" Hello!................ What we're all focused on is running our own clubs and getting support from what should be our governing body. I do get the fact that it's the international game that brings in 99% of the income and that means supporting the Prem clubs to provide the players so that has to be recognised and funded but not to a level where the rest of the game (2000+ clubs) are totally devoid of any support So "Hybrid Contracts are the answer" Surely there is only a finite amount of money available so Bill - carry on rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic whilst the rest of us are left to fall overboard!
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Posted By: SK 88
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 12:49
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I think the claim England should "expect" better than more RWC Finals than anyone else in the last 20 years and more 6N victories than anyone else since the expansion in 2000 is arrogant beyond belief. That arrogance drives a lot of the problems from the RFU. People here say "they only care about England & the Premiership", I can assure you they do not care about the Premiership, the Premiership is just strong enough to extract money from them during painful negotiations.
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Posted By: HAVANT TONY
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 13:13
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I Remember when Bill Sweeney visited Havant for a game last season and after lunch he gave a speech and was roundly booed for the tackle height fiasco and then concentrated his speech on England and financial matters at the RFU, next to nothing about the community game! We had questions to ask at the promised Q&A after his speech but he rambled on until 4 seconds before the match kicked off so no one had the chance to grill him! I bet that his statement saying they are on the verge of something spectacular doesn't mean much to the game at our level and below which is the life blood of English Rugby
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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 13:26
Rugby Chris you are spot on. I just dread to think how bad things could get without the persistent strategic and forensic oversight of the RFU Council ensuring transparency and equity ! I have it on good authority that an assertive free thinking RFU Council has prevented English Rugby from trending towards resources being skewed (ever so slightly) in the favour of elite clubs and teams. The RFU Council always diligently scrutinizes the Executive Management and their actions. On the rare occasions when the RFU Executive Management, led by our Bill, inadvertently suggests what could be viewed as an imbalance in the allocation of resources they swiftly act to redress the balance. Without fear or favour these selfless well qualified individuals ensure the actions of the RFU Executive Management are for the good of all the 2,000 + English Rugby Clubs. I know this to be a fact because a number of RFU Council members have told me so. ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 13:37
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I think the Council has about as must power as the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party. It is theoretically in charge, but in practice can only rubber stamp decisions made by the General Secretary. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 13:47
Spot on! The structure probably never works because it is likely the RFU Executive Management may know how to divide and conquer and butter up the Council members, who may quite like being 'buttered up' by our Bill........'Butter Fingers Bill' has a nice ring to it In the existing structure the Executive Management have almost no independent check and can act with impunity.........never a good thing. My understanding is that in order to effect change it is the Constituent Bodies that would have to act through the Council. Am I correct in my thinking? ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: HookerPaul
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 16:24
| Is he having a Liz Truss moment? She was on the cusp of something spectacular....Briefly! |
Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 18:00
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Deluded. ------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused. |
Posted By: Redted
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 18:53
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I remember him addressing the NCA AGM, spoke entirely about England. Then shortly later all financial support for NCA league teams was withdrawn!! Funny it must have slipped his mind at the AGM or was he afraid to speak honestly and openly?
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 19:12
Is it possible that the 20/25 centrally contracted players will be outside of the salary cap - leaving some clubs with loads more money in their salary caps? ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Stoatgobbler
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2023 at 22:44
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He thinks 4 professional clubs going bust is 'the cusp of something spectacular'? |
Posted By: One For The Ditch
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 10:14
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It would be no surprise when we lose more "professional" clubs.....the economics do not work. To rely upon high net-worth benefactors, at any level, is suicidal. There should be a long long-term plan that focuses on a bottom-up approach via grassroots/community Rugby. The infrastructure is already there (at the moment!); attracting more players, thus increasing the number of fixtures, will provide revenue. If Sweeny does not see that, whilst purely keeping the professional game in his cross hairs, the game is doomed. All been said before, I know, but pressure on the "grown ups", to see the error of their ways, must continue.
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Posted By: SK 88
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 10:37
As I understand the proposals: They will replace match fees for the nominated players (giving them more security in case of injuries, or drop in form) & will be awarded on 2 year cycles (presumably 12 or so per year). So like the current match fee structure those payments will remain outside the salary cap.
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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 12:19
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Just to put Butter Fingers Bill's spectacular optimism in to some sort of context I have set out below the headline numbers from the latest published accounts at Companies House (generally May or June 22) for 6 of the 10 Premiership sides. I have not yet analysed Leicester, Bath, Saracens or Northampton but I do intend to do so shortly. I may have made a mistake in some of the numbers (but I do not think so)...but happy to be corrected if I have done so,
That is grim reading and even more so when you consider that for every club other than Exeter (which does not appear to include it) the Net Asset or Net Liability position is made to look somewhat better in these accounts due to the inclusion of the value of the P shares at between £17.6m and £19.6m in respect of each club! All of the above clubs other than Gloucester are balance sheet insolvent and if you exclude the dubious value placed on the P shares Gloucester would be as well. These Premiership clubs are only kept afloat by the continuous generosity of their benefactors .....how long will they continue to underwrite such losses ? Where is Bill's spectacular moment going to come from
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Posted By: Redted
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 12:49
| Are any Championship clubs making a profit? |
Posted By: One For The Ditch
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 12:56
| Enlightening numbers BE, but not surprising! What is the real value of the P shares - was there any realisation from the demise of Wasps, Worcester and London Irish?? Surely if Premiership Club auditors are worth their salt they would properly report their true value....... |
Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 13:21
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I looked in the going concern notes of Exeter Chiefs. Comments on the business signed by directors and auditors There isn't normally much - even in a sports business. This is one part. - sorry it's tiny. A material uncertainty exists with regards to the proposed share transaction, which is required in order to raise the cash flow to support the going concern basis: the share transaction is subject to consent by the Department of Culture, Media and Sport who have advised that prior to providing this, they will need to commission an independent review into the effect of the share transaction on the security position of the Department of Culture, Media and Sport in respect of the loan from Sport England provided to the Group. Although the Directors are confident that all criteria relating to this loan and the security position have been satisfied, the independent review will not be completed in the required timeframe prior to share transaction proceeding |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 15:28
I applaud their transparency. ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 15:47
I think the cusp he is talking about is the next four clubs to go bust. That will be quite spectacular but not in the way Barmy Bill thinks.
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 16:51
I was an accountant at an F1 team. Sports clubs/companies don't generally make profit. A quick look at Doncaster and Bedford over the same period shows smaller losses than the Prem sides. Though neither provide full accounts.
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Posted By: Deva Delinquent
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 20:21
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The questions I would put to Mr Sweeny are: 1. What have you been smoking? 2. Where can I get some from?
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2023 at 20:30
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It will cost too much to get rid of him. He will have a bullet proof contract. Eventually even his mates in the premiership will get fed up but think what sort of mess will rugby be in by then. ------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |