Champ clubs reject Prem 2 franchise model
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Topic: Champ clubs reject Prem 2 franchise model
Posted By: gerg_861
Subject: Champ clubs reject Prem 2 franchise model
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 21:00
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 21:04
| Quite rightly. Well done Championship. |
Posted By: *Stalwart
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2023 at 22:09
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This is great - time to stand up and be counted. ------------- *Stalwart |
Posted By: Old Gold
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2023 at 10:19
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Absolutely the correct decision. ------------- #AClubForLife💛❤️🖤 |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2023 at 12:24
| It would be good to think their views will be respected but I have my doubts. |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2023 at 13:23
| Good story about this on the front page of The Rugby Paper. I do not think that they are being at all alarmist in saying that if the proposed PGA goes ahead, Twickenham will end up put in hock. An SGM must be called, and Sweeney MUST go. |
Posted By: SK 88
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2023 at 14:56
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Twickenham is already "in hock", it is already used as security for the RFU's debts. Putting Twickenham into its own company & selling a proportion of it would probably be an extremely healthy thing for rugby overall. What we really need is transparency from the RFU, what is explicitly being proposed so we can see what complaints are justified and what ones aren't. Similarly, what is the alternative proposal being put forward by the Championship or others? If the choice is between a flawed RFU plan and nothing then it's no real choice at all.
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2023 at 15:01
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The problem is that you need 100 signatures, and for most clubs this is not an issue. They never got anything from the RFU before, and do see that they will get less now. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2023 at 16:01
It really should be though. Tens of millions should be diverted from the Prem cartel back to the constituent clubs. This is literally a situation where the clubs could vote for more presents for christmas. I am baffled as to why they don't.
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Camquin wrote:Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2023 at 18:02
| The issue is simple - There is a lot of talk about what the RFU would like to happen but it is all conjecture as they have never put it down on paper or met with the Championship clubs to negotiate, The new deal with the Premiership has been done behind closed doors and the Championship or the rest of the clubs in the country are not aware of the details. How can a deal be done which puts the RFU into so much debt not be put to the constituent clubs before it is signed off as effectively we will be carrying the burden. The RFU is for all not just 10 clubs. Any future income will be swallowed up, so no more loans or grants no more 4G pitches. The premiership will go one whilst many clubs and teams will shrivel up and die. |
Posted By: Stuartnottingham
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2023 at 19:24
| Who puts Sweeney in charge ? Do all clubs in the country vote for the council members? If so why oh why are we letting Sweeney destroy club rugby in this country . On the verge of something spectacular . YES clubs moving to the URC. |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2023 at 20:46
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Sweeney is the CEO He is not elected. The chair of the Board of Directors and the Portfolio Directors shall be appointed by the Board of Directors, provided that (subject to Rule 12.8) each may only take office following the ratification of the appointment by the Council and the Members. The Council and the Members may only either ratify, or not ratify, such appointments; they may not propose alternative candidates for appointment. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 09:14
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If you remember, after Will Carling called the Council 57 old windbags, there was a call for "modernization". This was a code word used in the 90s and 2000s for removing democratic control and putting unelected managers in place. It happened in politics, in charities as well as in sport. So we got the RFU board, a set of managers, appointed by the board, and officially under the oversight of the council and the members - through General Meetings However, the powers of the council were severely limited. The General Meeting officially has power, but most cubs send a proxy vote to be used by the chair. There are external non-executive directors, who are meant to bring their expertise, and they should also hold the executive directors to account. The main reason for having them is to qualify for Sports England funding, however their fees eat up much of that funding. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 10:33
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Camquin, As usual the level of detail you bring to the debate is illuminating. The current structure provides no check or effective oversight of the executive management of the RFU. You would expect that in any effective governance structure, incompetence, self interest and delusional PR would be quickly rooted out. There do not appear to be any such checks and balances within the RFU. It is like climate change....we all know it is happening but there is no effective international body that can actually prevent the inevitable disaster. I think it likely that the RFU has now probably gone beyond the tipping point and that the extinction of rugby as we know it is also inevitable
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Posted By: BP Youth
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 10:53
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Paraphrasing Monty Python, has the time now come for L2 and below to ask " What have the RFU done for us?" The reply won't be as long or as funny as the scene in Life of Brian ------------- It's only a game |
Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 12:18
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To get to the 100 clubs, are you asking your respective clubs to vote for a SGM? It's a far more practical step than complaining on here. ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 13:02
A very valid point Richard but I suspect that the apathy in regard to all of this is part of the problem. In my case I used to be passionate about the lack of equity and fairness in just about everything that the Executive of the RFU did. However, such is the hard wired malaise within the RFU I am now pretty much beyond caring and I suspect many other are as well. ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 14:07
I've sat here reading this thread and end up thinking, as I have done for a long time, what is the purpose of the RFU? For all the fine words on the Annual Report, I wonder if it does anything other than serve the 10 clubs in the Premiership. It has ~700 employees - what do they do? I suspect that the majority of the administration below Level 2 could be outsourced to a country with a lower cost base or to a region in the UK where London weighting wouldn't apply. ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 14:14
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If you do try to get clubs to send in letters, the person you need to send them to is ... Bill Sweeney. Clubs do not want to be the first to put their head above the parapet, so you get more excuses than Gary Cooper in High Noon. I did try, and got enough letter to cause a stir, but not enough to trigger an SGM. Even if you get all the Championship and National league clubs, you are 26 clubs short. The council has called for change, immediately before the world cup. We shall see. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 15:18
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To get the numbers, not just the 100 for the SGM but a majority to change the status quo, there must be a demonstration to the rest of the club that is it their money which is being wasted. Argue they could receive £X, 000 a season to improve their ground, provide coaching, buy new kit, purchase a mini bus etc and you would garner support from clubs that could do with this money and equipment. Until you do that a club at level 9njust aren't interested as long as they get their share of international tickets. ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 15:51
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I'm at a Level 7 club. Prem, Champ, Nat 1 doesn't make a lot of difference to us as a club. Saints, Blues and Ampthill are local to us (Bletchley, so no great rugby history in the area). If England go well, that's good news. (4 new U14s players during the RWC). At this recreational level, the volunteers on the committee have enough to do without this.
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Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 18:07
Don't worry Paul, as English rugby collapses to 20 bankrupt franchises, who don't even get a mention on TV your volunteers won't have to do anything with their empty clubs except sell them for housing.
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 19:01
If 100 letters is the target, I think that's a tall order. That's all. |
Posted By: Golden Jackal
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 19:33
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At this recreational level, the volunteers on the committee have enough to do without this.
And that Paul is why there will be no change...yes, it is tough to run a rugby club, especially with volunteers, but if we sit back and keep accepting what is poured down from Twickenham, then trust me it is only going to get worse. This issue is not just about the Championship... |
Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 20:05
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Its all very well rejecting the Franchise model, which I agree with , but I believe last Friday LS v Ampthill included 22 players from Sarries and Quins!!!! Championship clubs should be using their own players. That would then stop the Prem clubs stockpiling talent. Rugby should be a level playing field below the Prem and clubs success being due to producing their own talent! ------------- Run with it |
Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2023 at 20:06
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As in I agree with rejecting the Franchise route! ------------- Run with it |
Posted By: Breakdown
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 08:37
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Couldn't agree more. The unspoken part of all this is that from the Premiership's point of view, this is all about what to do with those young, spare players.
It's as if the Prem 10 have been ordered to reduce their playing staffs by some outside body in order to achieve financial viability, so they have gone away and thought about how they can do that without losing the large playing pool they need to maintain quality during the rest periods their first 30-45 players need.
It's as if they thought, well, if we can get a league below us that is matched to our clubs, like Triple-A baseball, a farm league, then we can offload those youngsters who aren't really good enough to play at Championship level but they will stay part of the game.
It's as if they thought, well, the only thing that matters is the survival of our clubs, so if in the process clubs like London Scottish are hollowed out so they play 30+ loan players in a season, so their supporters don't know who is in the team from one week to the next, so the "actual" Scottish players don't know when they will next play in their favoured position, then no big deal because only Prem clubs matter.
It's as if the Prem 10 thought, well, we can't have clubs going down out of this second tier or the quality of gametime for our farmed players will go down and we certainly can't have the zombies coming up into our league because how could you possibly have a farm club play the farmers without a conflict of interest? So of course it's a franchise, invite-only, tender-process, ring-fence, monopoly protection. Hoorah.
It's as if they thought, maybe the existing Tier 2 clubs won't want to sell their souls, but, hey, what about those three Prem clubs that went bust? They'll be grateful for a franchise lifeline, so we can keep the Tier 2 clubs who refuse to play Farmball out of P2 and replace them with "Phoenixes" (never mind the example of moral hazard that sets to the next Old Elthamians or the next Henley) a few wannabes from Nat 1 with no money and crowds of 500 and maybe a university team or some academies.
It's as if they thought all that and then said to the RFU: "This will fix the game." And the RFU said: "My God you're right - have £268m for the first four years and whatever we can afford for the next four."
And then it's as if some other people who actually give a damn about sport, about fairness, about something other than money, decided: "Sod that. Enough is enough."
(Incidentally, I don't think Ampthill want to go this way, but I'm not sure they can see an alternative. Nobody knows what London Scottish think, but they way they are behaving, I'm not sure it makes a lot of difference.) ------------- Broken down. Beyond repair. |
Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 13:51
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On the money Breakdown. Rugby was one of the most significant parts of my life from the age of 11.....in the last 10 years it has dropped down my priorities to settle some where close to feeding the birds in my garden. A reasonably regular routine but no longer essential and it is no biggee if I miss a few games . The reason for my growing disenchantment is completely down to the senseless and iniquitous financial focus on the Premiership by a shameful governing body. The game has been destroyed by those who are meant to protect it and the scandal is that they are either too stupid to recognise it or too disinterested to care. ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: Greg
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 15:43
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Big Eddie, I beseech you to continue to feed the birds in your garden. Why should this important activity have been so badly devalued? Remember, BE, what our Lord hath taught us, "Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them." Conversely, the RFU soweth mayhem, reapeth discord, and gather a fortune into Twickenham and therewith purchase lots of gin and prawn mayonnaise sandwiches. Bad eggs, the lot of them. |
Posted By: *Stalwart
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 15:53
I feel your pain, but my take is different. I will support my club through thick and thin, despite the bleddy RFU. I'm very lucky here in Penzance. We have a top class professional team who have come up through the leagues over the past 20+ years and who give us first class entertainment. We also have The Pirates Amateurs, which is proper, old school local rugby with the squad made up of, almost elusively, players who are graduates of our brilliant mini/junior/colts sections. I love watching both of these teams and do whatever I can to support them. ------------- *Stalwart |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2023 at 23:50
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Could we not abolish loan players other than for the whole season? ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 08:22
Issue is when a club gets a lot of injuries in one position they often need to loan a player from elsewhere.
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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 08:22
Caldy have only one loan player (who is from Sale Sharks) and I understand he trains mid week with Caldy and he appears to be semi permanent . For the last couple of seasons Caldy has had between 2 and 4 loan players with at least one of those players (Elliot Gourlay) playing for the entirety of both seasons. The togetherness of the Caldy Squad, which comprises some 45 players who make up Caldy's 1st xv and 2nd xv is fundamental to the club. A player who comes on loan for an entire season, or at least a long run of games becomes a Raver, with all that entails, and is recognised and enjoyed by his fellow Ravers and the Caldy supporters. WOLWAOTB ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: Se7en
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 10:32
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Big Eddie, this is something that I have admired with Caldy, and was noticeable when the Ravers went on that long winning streak to claim the Nat 1 title in 21/22. Aside from Gourlay, and perhaps scrum half Nye Thomas, both from the Sharks, I can't think of another loan player that you had that season. There certainly seemed to be a real togetherness about your squad that season. Likewise, when Cambridge pipped Rams to the Nat 1 title last season, I don't recall them bringing in a bus load of loan players, and credit to them for that. I believe the single biggest factor in avoiding a reliance on loanees is by having a strong 2nd and even 3rd XV, training as one senior squad which allows for far greater strength in depth and cohesion. As and when injuries occur, which they always will, there is less temptation to parachute in a loan player for a game here and there, but rather giving those lads who have may have played understudy to a starting player the chance they deserve. This can only be a good thing in the long run. I do accept that at Champ level, the step up in quality between 1st and 2nd XV players may be that bit bigger and thus justifies bringing in a loan player from a Prem or other Champ club as injury cover. However, I have noticed recently that there has been an increase in this trend with some Nat 1 clubs which, whilst exciting to watch the quality that these players bring, goes slightly against the grain in my mind given the supposed semi-pro nature of Nat 1. From what I can see, it is indeed those clubs who do not field a 2nd and 3rd XV regularly, and at Level 4 or 5 standard, that resort to loan players. I do of course concede that within the rules clubs are quite entitled to field a certain number of DR/loan players, and not doing anything wrong, I just have my doubts over the sustainability and sportsmanship of this approach. Time will tell as another intriguing Champ and Nat 1 season develops.
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 11:59
Or too well paid Eddie. I totally agree with your sentiments which is why I have always said National League downwards is club rugby at its very best and without wishing any ill-will to you or the good folk at Caldy the sooner you return to the National League the better. These clubs have been all but abandoned by the RFU but are generally well run by those who understand how to live within their means and who also appreciate the value of rugby clubs to the community. My other long-held wish (which I appreciate is extreme) is for several more Premiership clubs to go bust causing professional rugby in this country to implode. It is the only way in my opinion that we will be able to build any form of sustainable top-level rugby. And for the usual Premiership club apologist no I don't give a toss about the national team at the moment.
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 14:15
From 2nd or 3rd XV  ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 14:44
I don't think Cambridge have overly relied on loan players and certainly not last season. With Sale's parlous state in National 1, I await their need for Sharks. ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 15:01
Having said that it will be interesting to see the Cambridge game against London Scottish who, I believe, fielded a number of loan players last season. Surely, loan players must undermine the members of the core squad unless you either don't have a core squad or genuinely don't have injury cover. ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 15:15
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Cambridge have used more short term loans this season, as we have had a bit of an injury crisis. We were down to one fit tight head, one fit lock, one fit scrum-half and one fit full back. We also have Jamie Benson on season long loan while he studies at the university. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 19:34
When it gets to this level it becomes dangerous or you need an Ealing squad.
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Posted By: Yeeealing
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2023 at 22:57
| Blues you seem to worry over Ealing quite a lot ? Just a observation 😂😂 |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2023 at 00:47
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Ealing is the best resourced side in the league, with the strongest squad and a fabulous facility. Someone has to be. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2023 at 17:12
For a number read dozens! The LS squad last Friday featured ten Harlequins players. Not sure if they had any loan players from elsewhere.
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2023 at 16:47
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Some interesting comments on this here. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/nov/24/there-isnt-a-plan-frustration-and-defiance-in-rugbys-championship" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/nov/24/there-isnt-a-plan-frustration-and-defiance-in-rugbys-championship
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Posted By: SK 88
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2023 at 18:38
| Are there any plans in the public domain? Does the Championship have a proposal of its own? Can I read what the RFU's "Premiership 2" plan actually is anywhere? |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2023 at 22:14
Not that I can find, but 2 years ago: Premiership Rugby has welcomed the vote, at a meeting today of the RFU Council, in favour of the expansion of the Gallagher Premiership to 14 clubs in season 2022-23, subject to meeting the required minimum standards. The package of measures, which involves a temporary pause on relegation, will help to improve the financial stability and sustainability of professional rugby during the next three seasons following the unprecedented impact of COVID-19 on club finances. The plan follows a detailed consultation involving stakeholders across the game, including Premiership Rugby and our member clubs, Championship clubs, The RPA, RFU Board and RFU Council. How things change! ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2023 at 11:29
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A fairly wide-ranging interview on the Beeb with Jon Sharp, Chairman of Cov RFC here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0gpv78b" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0gpv78b It starts at about eight minutes in, then continues at around 22 (I think, maybe a little further on) minutes after a short break. Covers a lot of ground around the Prem 2 debacle, the failed Prem clubs, and naturally the Cov club's outlook on the future of the game. Quite enlightening and worth a listen if you can spare the time. His (paraphrased) quote re. "I wouldn't want to have to wash my mouth out with soap" particularly made me and 'er indoors giggle. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2023 at 12:27
Whilst there are no actual proposals in writing from the RFU or the Championship Most would agree that the starting point is 13 meaningful home games in a season.
So finally going back to the start a 14 team league, 13 home games, No Cup would be my preferred option. |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2023 at 13:40
Great interview. Thanks for sharing.
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Posted By: TAS63
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2023 at 17:45
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Bedford interview forum discussing Championship and future. Feels, to me, like an attempt to politely get the RFU to open up and be more discussive. Have to say they have more patience with them that I do - perhaps too much? But what choice do they really have. https://youtube.com/watch?v=5tdvaxU1M0U&si=ZUBBOTAR3yPKhgNV " rel="nofollow - https://youtube.com/watch?v=5tdvaxU1M0U&si=ZUBBOTAR3yPKhgNV ; |
Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2023 at 20:38
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The problems are many and varied- what have the RFU / PRL agreed behind closed doors? What does the RFU plan on doing with the Championship and then on down the pyramid. What does the Championship want, and what are their plans if the RFU and them cannot come to a sensible agreement? I fear we won’t get answers, just lots a sketchy veiled references of we may do this or that. I think we (Rugby) are truly screwed until we get new leadership at HQ. ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2023 at 16:49
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Slight divergence - will the England Central Contracts funding be top sliced from existing Premiership funding or will it be found elsewhere? Couldn't find anything obvious to clarify. ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2023 at 18:17
I've only seen this mentioned in a theoretical way. For example, Lawes suggested it would be good. (Of course he would) I haven't seen or heard RFU suggesting this. Though you'd expect the payments to clubs for international releases would be diverted to central contacts.
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Posted By: WILD BOAR
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2023 at 09:29
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RFU Council Meeting Report 01/12/23 |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2023 at 10:02
hmm - seems a bit like Monty Python's Black Knight "not being derailed" by losing his limbs one by one. There was a pretty clear expression of interest 2 weeks ago, wasn't there, with the current Champ clubs stating firmly that they weren't up for it? That may have been a negotiating position for much better terms, rather than a case of 'no, never under any circumstances', but still seems a very long way to go. At one stage clarity was due by December 2023, let's see if the new deadline 6 months hence is met...
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Posted By: Breakdown
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2023 at 10:39
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If that is right, Wild Boar, it seems RFU and PRL are determined to steamroller ahead with a new Tier 2 not based on merit (i.e. Promotion/Relegation) but on suitability. That can only mean revival of the "Phoenix clubs" and trying to cherry pick NCA clubs that fit with their idea of creating a kind of zombie feeder league. e.g. DMP for the North East "franchise". Who apart from PRL clubs and their failed former comrades actually benefits from the creation of such a league? ------------- Broken down. Beyond repair. |
Posted By: WILD BOAR
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2023 at 12:23
Spot on....Breakdown 
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Posted By: Greg
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2023 at 12:57
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Surely in any negotiation both parties are required to put their proposition forward. Why aren't the Championship making clear what they want/expect in the creation of a revised second tier? At the moment they only appear to say what they don't want - a position that simply gives all the decision-making back to the other party. Bring in Mick Lynch for some training on how to hold the RFU/PRL to account.
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2023 at 13:52
Totally agree that Championship clubs need to be clear in what they want ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2023 at 14:30
I think the Championship clubs have made it clear what the want.
What I would say the main issue is that the RFU will not sit down with the championship directly and put their model in writing, which would allow the Championship to put their proposals to the RFU.
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Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2023 at 14:31
I think the Championship clubs have made it clear what they want.
What I would say the main issue is that the RFU will not sit down with the championship directly and put their model in writing, which would allow the Championship to put their proposals
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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2023 at 15:31
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I'm reviving Wakefield and bidding for a place in Premiership 2. We meet the criteria, we are a club with heritage, international representatives, World Cup winners, we have no ground, no team and no money. Perfect candidates. ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2023 at 15:46
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When the Championship clubs first rejected the Franchise Premiership 2 I said RFU would impose it -:it seems I was correct. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2023 at 15:58
------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2023 at 16:56
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Any stock market listed company with a similar quantum of revenue as the RFU and behaved in the manner that the RFU has done for the last 20 years would probably be de-listed as it is unlikely any institutional investor would touch them...because: 1. There is no accountability to the vast majority of its shareholders (the member clubs) 2. Although the RFU has only one class of shares it treats individual shareholders very differently even though each shareholder only has one vote 3. A tiny minority of shareholders (10 in total) each get 100+ times more of the available RFU resources than is enjoyed by most of the other shareholders 4. The RFU's Executive management team have under performed for the last 20 years 5. The CEO's pay packet is obscenely disproportionate to his abilities, the lack of risk and the scandalous lack of performance 6. The RFU is able to change its announcements/timetables at will with absolutely no regard for the impact on its shareholders (other then those special 10 shareholders) 7. The RFU doesn't engage with 99.95% of its shareholders but does engage fully and comprehensively with shareholders that collectively total less than 0.05% of the shareholder base 8. The RFU's Articles of Association and its corporate governance structures appear to perpetuate cronyism and a shocking lack of accountability 9. The sport the RFU is administering is in serious decline even without considering the existential threat of the 'concussion issue' 10. The senior executives led by the CEO seem to be deluded and 'all over the place like a mad woman's p**s' I would be a short seller of such a company......that is if I was able to find any buyers who would enable me to take such a short position ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2023 at 19:16
------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: SK 88
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2023 at 19:47
In all seriousness. Yes. That is exactly what they would support & exactly what they are aiming for. If Waterloo sold the rights to exploit their name to a bidder from Liverpool the RFU would jump at the chance.
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Posted By: SK 88
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2023 at 19:49
So, under this logic the Championship clubs would reject the French LNR model? Teams are not allowed to be promoted into ProD2 without passing a promotion audit, I think 3 or 4 teams in the 20 years have failed it. Teams are relegated for off the field offences, Mont du Marsan got relegated from the top tier to the third tier for financial offences. Or are there caveats in those wants where a compromised position could be found?
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Posted By: SK 88
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2023 at 19:51
From the, rather large, budget for match fees. The idea goes that 15-25 players would effectively swap the majority of their match fees for guaranteed wages, with maybe 20% variable on selection or whatever.
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