2020/21 Leagues Announced
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Topic: 2020/21 Leagues Announced
Posted By: Cannon
Subject: 2020/21 Leagues Announced
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 16:14
The NCA have announced next years leagues.
https://www.ncarugby.com/national-1/hinckley-confirmed-in-national-two-south/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ncarugby.com/national-1/hinckley-confirmed-in-national-two-south/
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 17:14
Cannon wrote:
The NCA have announced next years leagues.
https://www.ncarugby.com/national-1/hinckley-confirmed-in-national-two-south/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ncarugby.com/national-1/hinckley-confirmed-in-national-two-south/ |
I notice there are no fixtures, any indication when they will be out or any indication of a start date.
I presume they are waiting for lockdown news on Sunday?
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Posted By: greenpower
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 17:48
worthings first match is away to blaydon sep 5 th then away again to tynedale the week after ![LOL LOL](smileys/smiley36.gif) ![LOL LOL](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Posted By: PI003
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 18:17
Excuse being a little confused, why would Worthing’s first game be at Blaydon, followed by Tynedale. Surely, they are in different leagues? Do you mean Wharfedale , Greenpower?
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Posted By: greenpower
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 18:31
it was a little tease p1oo3 obviously no sense of humour in coventry
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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 21:25
Well that’s good welcome back to Caldy and New boys Taunton & TJs and of course Leeds but not sure where they fit in as I am not sure when or if they were at level 3 before. Looks like being pretty competitive again cannot wait
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 21:30
It was 97/98 Rosslyn Park were in the league. And of course they know Moseley and Plymouth.
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Posted By: Squeeky
Date Posted: 07 May 2020 at 06:59
World Rugby people putting guidelines in place for a return of rugby https://www.world.rugby/news/568915" rel="nofollow - https://www.world.rugby/news/568915
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 07 May 2020 at 10:28
greenpower wrote:
worthings first match is away to blaydon sep 5 th then away again to tynedale the week after ![LOL LOL](smileys/smiley36.gif) ![LOL LOL](smileys/smiley36.gif) ![Thumbs Up Thumbs Up](smileys/smiley20.gif) |
Didn't realise we were back in N1
When our first game was away to Wharfedale.
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Posted By: greenpower
Date Posted: 07 May 2020 at 11:09
remember it well raider wharfe were giving you guys a real pounding it looked like it was all over by half time then 2nd half dale were throwing it about too much over confident and was it kibba richards or someone fast took over scoring 2/3 quick tries and dale were left clining on for the win 38 34 i think great times
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 07 May 2020 at 13:19
greenpower wrote:
remember it well raider wharfe were giving you guys a real pounding it looked like it was all over by half time then 2nd half dale were throwing it about too much over confident and was it kibba richards or someone fast took over scoring 2/3 quick tries and dale were left clining on for the win 38 34 i think great times |
Winger Alex Nielsen scored at least 1 try from memory. James Chisholm made his Raiders debut off the bench (DR from Quins) - said at the time he reminded me of Dean Richards and should go far.
Other memory, was having to be at the road corner of ground by end of game and run down the driveway to ensure we didn't miss the last bus back to Skipton - not sure why it couldn't be arranged to be a later time but c'est la vie
Good times.
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 07 May 2020 at 19:36
I believe that YC were still Headingley and Roundhay when they were last in this league. They adopted Leeds Tykes on promotion.
The Tykes mailing list seems to believe they will revert to the Leeds Tykes name - but obviously that paperwork has not arrived at the NCA.
There is also the question of where they will play - with the betting being not Headingley - and probably Leeds Beckett University and with a side featuring predominately Leeds Beckett students.
Of course this is all moot if we do not get a season.
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Posted By: Maroon
Date Posted: 07 May 2020 at 21:36
From Wikipedia
Leeds RUFC was founded in 1991 after the merger of Roundhay and Headingley. In the first season in National Three, Leeds finished 6th, but League reorganisation put the club in National Division Four - level 4
In 1997–98, they were promoted from the newly formed Jewson One to Premiership Two - level 3
In 1998, the club amalgamated with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds_Rhinos" rel="nofollow - Leeds Rhinos to form Leeds Rugby Limited. Leeds RUFC took on a new name when they entered the 1998 Premiership Two competition, Leeds Tykes.
They were promoted to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinness_Premiership" rel="nofollow - Premiership in 2001.
IN 2007, the club was renamed as Leeds Carnegie in a deal with Leeds Metropolitan University, which took a 51% stake.
In 2014, the club was rebranded as Yorkshire Carnegie
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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 08 May 2020 at 11:46
Raider999 wrote:
Cannon wrote:
The NCA have announced next years leagues.
https://www.ncarugby.com/national-1/hinckley-confirmed-in-national-two-south/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ncarugby.com/national-1/hinckley-confirmed-in-national-two-south/ |
I notice there are no fixtures, any indication when they will be out or any indication of a start date.
I presume they are waiting for lockdown news on Sunday? |
Clubs have been asked for their fixture preferences, however, I know that CB fixtures are on hold and will not start to be prepared until we have a restart date, increasingly likely to be 1st January.
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 09 May 2020 at 14:16
Play all the fixtures next April - player welfare be damned, 30 days of rugby ..... ![Shocked Shocked](smileys/smiley3.gif)
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Posted By: Ex Coach
Date Posted: 09 May 2020 at 17:17
Talking Rugby Union suggested yesterday that matches could start in November. Incidentally if anyone doesn't follow them on twitter it is a great source of Rugby News and interviews with players from all levels of the game.
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Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 10 May 2020 at 12:50
Ex Coach wrote:
Talking Rugby Union suggested yesterday that matches could start in November. Incidentally if anyone doesn't follow them on twitter it is a great source of Rugby News and interviews with players from all levels of the game.
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Clickbait
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 10 May 2020 at 14:16
Monkey Boy wrote:
Ex Coach wrote:
Talking Rugby Union suggested yesterday that matches could start in November. Incidentally if anyone doesn't follow them on twitter it is a great source of Rugby News and interviews with players from all levels of the game.
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Clickbait |
not sure why one media organisation gets singled out for criticism by our resident simian sceptic. they are all speculating what might happen regarding resumption, for one simple reason: no-one knows - it remains TBC.
sports journos haven't had any live sport to cover for 2 months, so those still in work are dividing their time between this type of story and retro 'best game/player ever' type features... both perfectly legitimate options, in the circumstances, IMHO.
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Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 10 May 2020 at 15:00
islander wrote:
Monkey Boy wrote:
Ex Coach wrote:
Talking Rugby Union suggested yesterday that matches could start in November. Incidentally if anyone doesn't follow them on twitter it is a great source of Rugby News and interviews with players from all levels of the game.
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Clickbait |
not sure why one media organisation gets singled out for criticism by our resident simian sceptic. they are all speculating what might happen regarding resumption, for one simple reason: no-one knows - it remains TBC.
sports journos haven't had any live sport to cover for 2 months, so those still in work are dividing their time between this type of story and retro 'best game/player ever' type features... both perfectly legitimate options, in the circumstances, IMHO. |
They haven’t been singled out. Crack on
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Posted By: Redted
Date Posted: 10 May 2020 at 15:21
Is teams travelling all over the country by coach, a great form of transport for transmitting the decease, the best thing to do next season? Would the game not be better served by having local leagues next season? In my area for instance a decent top league would be Cornwall & Devon which could easily be covered using car travel.
Given the financial uncertainty this would save a massive amount on travel money for both the RFU and the club's. National Leagues could then restart In the new format in 2021/2022.
Guernsey currently have a 14 day quarantine for anybody travelling from the UK.
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Posted By: front5
Date Posted: 10 May 2020 at 15:38
Are the bars open in Guernsey, could make for a good 14 day away trip
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Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 10 May 2020 at 15:39
Red- definite freudian slip re disease. Totally agree especially if playing season delayed more than a couple of months. What would be the point of shoe horning a full season into an already congested timetable, especially as games may be played in front of none/limited numbers of spectators. What would be so bad about a season of more local fixtures and no league promotion and relegation? At the end of season 2020/21 clubs would have a much more detailed view of what level they could continue at if a restructuring takes place.
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 10 May 2020 at 15:44
marigold wrote:
Red- definite freudian slip re disease. Totally agree especially if playing season delayed more than a couple of months. What would be the point of shoe horning a full season into an already congested timetable, especially as games may be played in front of none/limited numbers of spectators. What would be so bad about a season of more local fixtures and no league promotion and relegation? At the end of season 2020/21 clubs would have a much more detailed view of what level they could continue at if a restructuring takes place.
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Judging by the percentage of players that normally turn-out for Pre-Season friendlies - I don't see much point.
However, I fear a number of older players may decide to take an early retirement if we cannot play proper league rugby.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 10 May 2020 at 15:46
Monkey Boy wrote:
islander wrote:
Monkey Boy wrote:
Ex Coach wrote:
Talking Rugby Union suggested yesterday that matches could start in November. Incidentally if anyone doesn't follow them on twitter it is a great source of Rugby News and interviews with players from all levels of the game.
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Clickbait |
not sure why one media organisation gets singled out for criticism by our resident simian sceptic. they are all speculating what might happen regarding resumption, for one simple reason: no-one knows - it remains TBC.
sports journos haven't had any live sport to cover for 2 months, so those still in work are dividing their time between this type of story and retro 'best game/player ever' type features... both perfectly legitimate options, in the circumstances, IMHO. |
They haven’t been singled out. Crack on |
I wasn't aware that you'd criticised any other media organisations. Not that I've trawled back through all your posts - can't think of anything more pointless...
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Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 10 May 2020 at 17:43
Any Form of travel will be a problem, Coach , train or plane. Try to get pre bookings for 30, with social distancing on a train. And what about clubs who normally have an overnight pre game. Hotels will be difficult to book. Of course we await the RFU's decision on travel allowances last year they cut it in half and increased to cost of Referees . Most clubs will probably see very little travel support at all. So unless they have got a positive cash balance before the season starts then how are they going to cover the costs.
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Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 10 May 2020 at 20:12
The distances travelled in Nat 1, are insane, the sooner Nat 1 is split N and S the better. 12 teams per league, with play off games for top 4 in N and S, winner moves to Champ.
The same could happen for Nat 2 . . . . with 3 up three down play offs
Lots of excitement and lots of crowds . .post Covid!
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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 10 May 2020 at 22:03
Sorry run it back it’s called National for a reason, if a club doesn’t want to be National stay local
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Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 10 May 2020 at 22:09
I get what your saying Rabbie, but it is unsustainable and all clubs know it, also National 2 is already regional so it does make sense and would make for better player welfare, more derbies, bigger crowds, more players staying playing and a very exciting end to the season for most clubs.
It would also stop Nat 1 becoming a London League!!!
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 10 May 2020 at 22:24
Fewer games means fewer tickets, lunches, match sponsors etc. Yes that is balanced by less travel and fewer match fees. However -fixed costs like mortgage on new club house do not go away and spreading that over fewer games means it eats a larger proportion of the income.
Fewer matches means less exposure for sponsors - which may reduce sponsorship money. Given we will be in a recession with less sponsorship money we do not want to give people a reason to withdraw.
Which means much less money left from each game for match fees.
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Posted By: Bill Sley
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 06:14
I suspect we have plenty of time to discuss - I can't see rugby returning outside the Prem/Pro/Top 14 until a vaccine arrives.
I guess there's an outside chance of some if/when a reliable cheap test appears and there's certainty regarding immunity. Could we envisage both sides lining up to have their studs and certificate checked by the ref?
Not sure what the latest is on vaccine (there seems to be the occasional optimistic headline) but unless there's some big breakthrough we likely won't see rugby until pre-season 2021.
My hunch is that the hospitality facilities at clubs will be open before there is any safe way to prevent super spreading in a scrum.
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 08:40
Redted wrote:
Is teams travelling all over the country by coach, a great form of transport for transmitting the decease, the best thing to do next season?Would the game not be better served by having local leagues next season? In my area for instance a decent top league would be Cornwall & Devon which could easily be covered using car travel.
Given the financial uncertainty this would save a massive amount on travel money for both the RFU and the club's. National Leagues could then restart In the new format in 2021/2022.
Guernsey currently have a 14 day quarantine for anybody travelling from the UK. |
They'd have to just force Guernsey to play all their games in the UK.
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 11:18
Runitback wrote:
I get what your saying Rabbie, but it is unsustainable and all clubs know it, also National 2 is already regional so it does make sense and would make for better player welfare, more derbies, bigger crowds, more players staying playing and a very exciting end to the season for most clubs.
It would also stop Nat 1 becoming a London League!!! |
Why not go the whole hog and regionalise the Premiership and Championship.
If N1 is predominantly Southern then that is because the best teams are in the South. Regionalise N1 means artificially promoting a number of Northern teams to balance the numbers.
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 11:21
Robb wrote:
Redted wrote:
Is teams travelling all over the country by coach, a great form of transport for transmitting the decease, the best thing to do next season?Would the game not be better served by having local leagues next season? In my area for instance a decent top league would be Cornwall & Devon which could easily be covered using car travel.
Given the financial uncertainty this would save a massive amount on travel money for both the RFU and the club's. National Leagues could then restart In the new format in 2021/2022.
Guernsey currently have a 14 day quarantine for anybody travelling from the UK. |
They'd have to just force Guernsey to play all their games in the UK. |
Guernsey playing in UK wouldn't work as presumably they would have to quarantine when they returned to the island - doubt they could afford to base in UK for 3 months?
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Posted By: hills17
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 11:22
Runitback wrote:
The distances travelled in Nat 1, are insane, the sooner Nat 1 is split N and S the better. 12 teams per league, with play off games for top 4 in N and S, winner moves to Champ.
The same could happen for Nat 2 . . . . with 3 up three down play offs
Lots of excitement and lots of crowds . .post Covid! |
Good post Runitback, I'm a Plymouth supporter, the year Taunton promoted at 75 miles left wondering when/ if the season will start. Redruth could have snuck in too, only 60 miles, exciting thought. Once the nearest games were Moseley and Rosslyn at 5 hours on a coach. Cinderford/ Rams and Chinnor have filled that distance over the last two or three years. It was a breeze to Reading back in December, my derby couldn't make Cinderford and on day we lost but Rams played really nice rugby so can appreciate that. I love doing these trips been to Darlington via weekend in York few times now, our furthest North, enjoy visiting Cambridge in the East and boy that can feel quite a journey on a Friday. Caldy a great club. These just a few, can't go through each memory but get good memories at each. Streets of Canterbury on the Friday so good to be there. Rotherham were as friendly as when they beat us another memory. The heart says keep this great league as it is, so many good clubs out there but head says is it really sustainable, visited one or two clubs over the years during it who have been in relegation trouble so their supporters have said if it came to it would happy to be relegated etc. Look at Hull other week, saying six derbies now and won't miss the journey to Plymouth. Definitely an interesting one, Redruth in Division 2 South, another hour down road from Plymouth in deepest darkest Cornwall have similar I guess. What keeps me going is my enjoyment for the game in the safe surrounding rugby brings. I see why a regionlised league would be beneficial.
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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 11:56
Raider999 wrote:
Robb wrote:
Redted wrote:
Is teams travelling all over the country by coach, a great form of transport for transmitting the decease, the best thing to do next season?Would the game not be better served by having local leagues next season? In my area for instance a decent top league would be Cornwall & Devon which could easily be covered using car travel.
Given the financial uncertainty this would save a massive amount on travel money for both the RFU and the club's. National Leagues could then restart In the new format in 2021/2022.
Guernsey currently have a 14 day quarantine for anybody travelling from the UK. |
They'd have to just force Guernsey to play all their games in the UK. |
Guernsey playing in UK wouldn't work as presumably they would have to quarantine when they returned to the island - doubt they could afford to base in UK for 3 months? |
I suspect it was probably tongue in cheek, but that appears to be the plan for Catalans and Toronto in SuperLeague, and potentially Toulouse in the Championship. Come over here, stay here for the season, play every fixture as an away match, worry about going home at the end.
Of course the two points to note on that are:
1) in the case of Toronto most of the team are English anyway, so would be at "home" 2) just because that's what's being talked about it still won't (IMO) happen!
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 15:14
billesleyexile wrote:
Raider999 wrote:
Robb wrote:
Redted wrote:
Is teams travelling all over the country by coach, a great form of transport for transmitting the decease, the best thing to do next season?Would the game not be better served by having local leagues next season? In my area for instance a decent top league would be Cornwall & Devon which could easily be covered using car travel.
Given the financial uncertainty this would save a massive amount on travel money for both the RFU and the club's. National Leagues could then restart In the new format in 2021/2022.
Guernsey currently have a 14 day quarantine for anybody travelling from the UK. |
They'd have to just force Guernsey to play all their games in the UK. |
Guernsey playing in UK wouldn't work as presumably they would have to quarantine when they returned to the island - doubt they could afford to base in UK for 3 months? |
I suspect it was probably tongue in cheek, but that appears to be the plan for Catalans and Toronto in SuperLeague, and potentially Toulouse in the Championship. Come over here, stay here for the season, play every fixture as an away match, worry about going home at the end.
Of course the two points to note on that are:
1) in the case of Toronto most of the team are English anyway, so would be at "home" 2) just because that's what's being talked about it still won't (IMO) happen! |
The difference is Catalans and Toronto are professional clubs whereas I suspect Guernsey are not (please advise if they are) so will need to be at home to work.
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 16:52
Rabbie Burns wrote:
Sorry run it back it’s called National for a reason, if a club doesn’t want to be National stay local |
Correct, if you don't want to play nationally albeit with associated costs then don't.
Level 3/4 could rationalise into wider regions but then the jump to Level 3 becomes greater.
I think back to amateur days when winning was great but not the be all and endall, when players volunteered for maintenance during the summer, when coach trips were the highlight of the season and there were some great local derbies - perhaps 4 in a season. The only income was bar, subs, discos and the Christmas draw. When games were watched by one man and his dog.
Believe it or not, it was great fun.
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Posted By: Jester10
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 17:30
Runitback wrote:
I get what your saying Rabbie, but it is unsustainable and all clubs know it, also National 2 is already regional so it does make sense and would make for better player welfare, more derbies, bigger crowds, more players staying playing and a very exciting end to the season for most clubs.
It would also stop Nat 1 becoming a London League!!! |
Only two of the sides in Nat 1 next season (if it happens) are in London.
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 17:39
Three - Rosslyn Park, Blackheath and Old Elthamians.
Cambridge, Bishop Stortford and Tonbridge are in L&SE Division but outside London.
London and SE is the most populous of the four divisions - so it is unsurprising it has more clubs.
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Posted By: strent
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 20:11
Raider999 wrote:
[QUOTE=Runitback] I get what your saying Rabbie, but it is unsustainable and all clubs know it, also National 2 is already regional so it does make sense and would make for better player welfare, more derbies, bigger crowds, more players staying playing and a very exciting end to the season for most clubs.
It would also stop Nat 1 becoming a London League!!! |
Why not go the whole hog and regionalise the Premiership and Championship.
RunitbackLet the professionals play nationally and everyone else regionally. Seems sensible.
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Posted By: fatbear
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 06:35
Camquin wrote:
Three - Rosslyn Park, Blackheath and Old Elthamians.
Cambridge, Bishop Stortford and Tonbridge are in L&SE Division but outside London.
London and SE is the most populous of the four divisions - so it is unsurprising it has more clubs.
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And although part of South West, Rams and Chinnor are closer to London than say, Bristol !
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 09:01
But they are served by the Great Western Railway so can easily get there by steam train - or at least I assume that was the thinking when the divisions were drawn up.
But L&SE population is nearly three times that of SW division. Indeed Greater London on its own has a higher population than the SW division.
Berkshire and Oxfordshire are among the more populous counties in the South West so it is not surprising they have produced senior teams.
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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 12:40
As the late, great Chalky White when South West RDO pointed out - the South West stretches to within 10 miles of Twickenham (Berkshire) and 15 miles from the centre of Birmingham (Oxfordshire), oh, and also to Penzance!!
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 14 May 2020 at 21:36
Halliford wrote:
As the late, great Chalky White when South West RDO pointed out - the South West stretches to within 10 miles of Twickenham (Berkshire) and 15 miles from the centre of Birmingham (Oxfordshire), oh, and also to Penzance!! |
Despite the fact you can have a Hampshire club (Havant for example) further west than a Berkshire club and they still get in LSE while the Berkshire club has to go to Cornwall seems geographically silly to me. As the poster above said, it was originally based on the trainlines. But nowadays, might it not be more prudent to add Berks and Bucks to LSE to avoid some of the more ludacrous trips?
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 14 May 2020 at 21:47
Because Hampshire is on London and South Western and the train goes to Waterloo - you know it make sense.
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Posted By: maire23
Date Posted: 14 May 2020 at 23:43
I am completely confused how three clubs in the same county (Hinckley, Lions and Loughborough) have two teams in the South section and one in the North?!
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 00:22
Well of course they should all be in the North. But when the leagues were first set up the North was over represented in the upper national divisions. So as the numbers equalise and indeed we move to having slightly more L&SE clubs in the National leagues. L&SE has a population of ~24m North of 15m and Midlands of 10m with 8m in SW.
But the only way to reduce the numbers of Northern clubs at level 3 is if one is transferred South and relegated. So currently there are too many Northern and Midland clubs at level 4. Which means two Midlands clubs get to play in Nat 2 S.
As Nat2 S is dominated by London clubs - the South Eastern clubs Leicestershire are the ones that tend to be transferred South.
If they were to split level 4 into three the current L&SE is already more than 1/3 the population. So you would possibly want to move Hampshire into SW division and split the Midlands between North and SW.
But I am not sure if that helps with travel.
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 11:30
Camquin wrote:
Well of course they should all be in the North.But when the leagues were first set up the North was over represented in the upper national divisions. So as the numbers equalise and indeed we move to having slightly more L&SE clubs in the National leagues. L&SE has a population of ~24m North of 15m and Midlands of 10m with 8m in SW.
But the only way to reduce the numbers of Northern clubs at level 3 is if one is transferred South and relegated. So currently there are too many Northern and Midland clubs at level 4. Which means two Midlands clubs get to play in Nat 2 S.
As Nat2 S is dominated by London clubs - the South Eastern clubs Leicestershire are the ones that tend to be transferred South.
If they were to split level 4 into three the current L&SE is already more than 1/3 the population. So you would possibly want to move Hampshire into SW division and split the Midlands between North and SW.
But I am not sure if that helps with travel.
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It would for teams in LSE.
Obviously the big problem is Devon & Cornwall which are significantly isolated in any National League scenario other than splitting a level into 4 rather than the proposed 3 or cypurrent 2.
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Posted By: Blutarsky
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 16:00
Raider999 wrote:
Camquin wrote:
Well of course they should all be in the North.But when the leagues were first set up the North was over represented in the upper national divisions. So as the numbers equalise and indeed we move to having slightly more L&SE clubs in the National leagues. L&SE has a population of ~24m North of 15m and Midlands of 10m with 8m in SW.
But the only way to reduce the numbers of Northern clubs at level 3 is if one is transferred South and relegated. So currently there are too many Northern and Midland clubs at level 4. Which means two Midlands clubs get to play in Nat 2 S.
As Nat2 S is dominated by London clubs - the South Eastern clubs Leicestershire are the ones that tend to be transferred South.
If they were to split level 4 into three the current L&SE is already more than 1/3 the population. So you would possibly want to move Hampshire into SW division and split the Midlands between North and SW.
But I am not sure if that helps with travel.
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It would for teams in LSE.
Obviously the big problem is Devon & Cornwall which are significantly isolated in any National League scenario other than splitting a level into 4 rather than the proposed 3 or cypurrent 2. |
Thanks to the M5 us bumpkins down here in Devon & Cornwall can get to the Midlands far more easily than we can to Hampshire.
Barnstaple - Worthing = 194 miles / 4 hours Barnstaple - Stourbridge = 175 miles / 3 hours Barnstaple - Rotherham(!) = 264 miles / 4 hours 12 minutes
So actually splitting L4 into North, SW and SE would probably work best for Devon and Cornwall clubs. Although I'd miss going to Worthing.
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 16:09
This season Leicester Lions were obliged to level transfer to Nat2 South, for the next season(whenever that maybe) they have chose to go to Nat2 South, they could have declined.
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Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 14:10
It will be interesting for any club travelling by train taking 30 players and Assorted staff will be an issue with social distancing they will take over half the train unless a vaccine is found. Already a number of coach firms have gone out of business so it will be difficult to hire in the short term. I do not believe we will get any meaningful rugby until the second half of the season. One of the problems is with players deciding to retire and those who travel to training, especially if they live in another country, Wales, Scotland Northern Ireland have to cross boarders. I think until clubs return to some sort of training the full consequences of the epidemic will not become apparent and there may be some big issues within leagues.
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 17:13
Halliford wrote:
...and 15 miles from the centre of Birmingham (Oxfordshire) |
When did they move Brum (or was it Oxon?). You can double that!
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 17:15
maire23 wrote:
I am completely confused how three clubs in the same county (Hinckley, Lions and Loughborough) have two teams in the South section and one in the North?! |
Indeed. Living, as I do, a mile or so from the Hinckley ground, does that make me a soft southern bstrd? ![Shocked Shocked](smileys/smiley3.gif) ![Wink Wink](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 19:50
Have you ever been to Redruth?
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Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 09:51
Kimbo wrote:
Halliford wrote:
...and 15 miles from the centre of Birmingham (Oxfordshire) |
When did they move Brum (or was it Oxon?). You can double that! | It's more than that from the southern boundary of Brum. 25-30 miles, probably. But the SW region extends quite a long way north. Mickleton in Gloucestershire is less than 10 miles from Stratford upon Avon.
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 10:22
Cropredy is possibly the most northern point.
Bits of Buckinghamshire are within the M25.
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 10:24
Seems pointless players isolating to and from a game, when 8 of them spend a fair bit of the game snuggled up in a scrum for 80 minutes.
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Posted By: Redted
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 10:55
Can you catch it from someones backside?
Cropredy is possibly the most northern point. Cracking village, took a canal boat through there during the folk festival a few years back, my daughter saw some interesting sites!
More seriously I work in the NHS and locall (Cornwall) the powers to be are predicting a second COVID wave to peak around October/November.
I like the idea of aiming to re-start the season initially with friendly local fixtures ?December and then the leagues in January but only playing half of the teams split on a location basis.
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 14:39
cheshire exile wrote:
Have you ever been to Redruth? ![Ouch Ouch](smileys/smiley18.gif) |
I grew up on the edge of Wood End, Cov. I know what scary is!
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 14:55
Camquin wrote:
Bits of Buckinghamshire are within the M25. |
Mollington is slightly further north - and still around 33 miles from Brum.
And Mickleton is around 28 miles.
The SW rugby region is huge, and contributes to some odd notions as to what part of the country some places are. And Gloucester, in that region, is also in the BBC W. Mids news catchment. All quite confusing ![Big smile Big smile](smileys/smiley4.gif)
Edit: Having just checked, Claydon is even further north than Mollington - but very little different in mileage. Hell of a stretch from The Lizard, whatever!
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 14:58
And even so the population is weighted towards the South East. I do not know about the number of registered clubs or players.
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 20:47
Blutarsky wrote:
Raider999 wrote:
Camquin wrote:
Well of course they should all be in the North.But when the leagues were first set up the North was over represented in the upper national divisions. So as the numbers equalise and indeed we move to having slightly more L&SE clubs in the National leagues. L&SE has a population of ~24m North of 15m and Midlands of 10m with 8m in SW.
But the only way to reduce the numbers of Northern clubs at level 3 is if one is transferred South and relegated. So currently there are too many Northern and Midland clubs at level 4. Which means two Midlands clubs get to play in Nat 2 S.
As Nat2 S is dominated by London clubs - the South Eastern clubs Leicestershire are the ones that tend to be transferred South.
If they were to split level 4 into three the current L&SE is already more than 1/3 the population. So you would possibly want to move Hampshire into SW division and split the Midlands between North and SW.
But I am not sure if that helps with travel.
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It would for teams in LSE.
Obviously the big problem is Devon & Cornwall which are significantly isolated in any National League scenario other than splitting a level into 4 rather than the proposed 3 or cypurrent 2. |
Thanks to the M5 us bumpkins down here in Devon & Cornwall can get to the Midlands far more easily than we can to Hampshire.
Barnstaple - Worthing = 194 miles / 4 hours Barnstaple - Stourbridge = 175 miles / 3 hours Barnstaple - Rotherham(!) = 264 miles / 4 hours 12 minutes
So actually splitting L4 into North, SW and SE would probably work best for Devon and Cornwall clubs. Although I'd miss going to Worthing. |
Just for the record, Worthing is in West Sussex not Hampshire - but I know what you mean.
Although I would say the last time I came back from Devon we were stuck on your M5 for an hour or so.
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Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 25 May 2020 at 10:32
Interesting calculations on your travel time , did you calculate on Car or Coach , remember coaches should not go faster then 60 miles per hour, also coach drivers need 45 minutes break every 4hr 30min driving time and that is calculated from when he picks the coach up not when he picks up the team. So if his garage is 45 minutes from the pick up point then that has to be factored in. You are also assuming that everyone is at one pick up point every additional on can add a further 5-10 minutes to the journey time. You can split his rest break into 15 min and 30 min the first being whilst he is waiting at the club to pick up the team and a further 30 minutes during the journey time. I would also suggest that the journey times you quote do not include any time for hold ups which are very common on the motorways these days. getting through Birmingham on the M6/M5 or M40 can be a nightmare so journey times can increase dramatically. You also have to take into account the additional cost of long journeys as drivers total hours cannot exceed 11 hours on a daily basis which may require two drivers. this is usually for journeys over 230 miles. Remember all drivers hours are shown on his Tachograph.
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 25 May 2020 at 11:01
My guess is those are car - but the relative times will not change that much.
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