Marler
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Topic: Marler
Posted By: backrowb
Subject: Marler
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2022 at 22:02
| Coleman gets 4 week's for his 3rd red card in 3 consecutive matches against Sarries, all for high shots, and Marler get 6 for sledging. The game has lost sight of what is important |
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Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2022 at 23:21
Four weeks of Marler’s six are suspended and , if the stories are right, it went well beyond “sledging”.
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backrowb wrote:Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2022 at 08:48
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Marler has form for this kind of thing. Perhaps he was lucky to be treated this leniently. ------------- "What I need is a strong drink and a peer group" |
Posted By: backrowb
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2022 at 08:53
I'd far rather someone tried hurting my feeling than my brain
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Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2022 at 17:19
Agreed brb, Physical abuse must be treated more seriously than some verbals. ------------- All Knwoing All Seeing |
Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2022 at 18:00
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Surely if it was a homaphobic comment it can't be swept under the carpet, otherwise where will lead it to imo.
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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2023 at 10:03
| How does the old proverb go? “Sticks and stones May break my bones but words will never hurt me.” Sadly less true these days. |
Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2023 at 10:18
Exactly my point. If Hennan had had the self discipline to front up to Marler rather than attack him, he would have made Marler look like the embarrassing idiot he is. I note Marler was wearing 'tights' during the match. Was this in preparation for a future career with other 'C' list nobodies in pantomime as the villain? ------------- All Knwoing All Seeing |
Posted By: greenpower
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2023 at 10:33
| more likley to appear on strictly c--t dancing |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2023 at 11:06
As far as I can see absolutely no one anywhere has suggested it was a homophobic comment.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2023 at 11:36
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The 'what was said?' uncertainty cleared up by Telegraph today... Audio from the incident in Tuesday's match between Harlequins and Bristol has been released on social media following Marler's ban by the Rugby Football Union. In the exchange prior to a scrum before the end of the first half, Marler can be heard saying to Heenan: "I'm clearly not your brother, am I? There's no way I'm from the same mother as you. Your mum's a f***** wh***." Marler's initial comment is met with no reaction from Heenan, before the prop repeats: "Your mum's a wh***". Following the second remark a scrap broke out between the two packs of forwards. Heenan was penalised as a result of the fight by referee Karl Dickson, who did not hear Marler's comments but insisted to Heenan and the Bristol captain, Steven Luatua, that Marler would be punished retrospectively if the comment was picked up over the various broadcast microphones. Heenan could then be heard over Dickson's microphone saying: "Karl, my mum's in hospital with cancer". https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2022/12/31/revealed-sick-insult-joe-marler-led-six-game-ban/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr" rel="nofollow - LINK
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Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2023 at 14:30
Apologies for my inference above. Now that what he said is out in the public domain, a shocking thing to have said. ------------- Cauliflower ear. |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2023 at 14:49
It is indeed shocking but I would suspect not uncommon. It is reported that prior to this Heenan referred to Marler as being mad which some might think equally shocking given Marler's publicly admitted mental health issues. What will be interesting is whether we see a raft of suspensions for similar incidents as I suspect it will be far to much to hope that those behaving like children actually grow up.
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Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2023 at 17:34
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It is sad when things like this are said in any sport, as banter or to wind up opponents. ------------- Cauliflower ear. |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2023 at 18:01
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I cannot believe Marler got away with just 2 weeks ban. Must be down to his past squeaky clean character  ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Greg
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2023 at 14:32
| Marler needs professional help. |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2023 at 13:03
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Marler has gone public with his mental health issues and has received help. Possibly time to cut him a little slack. He did something stupid and has been punished but he is far from the only one in the game (or more noticeably amongst those commenting on his recent behaviour) who it could be argued would also benefit from professional help.
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2023 at 13:44
Is there any report/evidence about Heenan making this comment? http://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/e1/e1377b78-d60a-4d2c-b839-bb4c3ffc8132/MarlerHarlequinsJudgmentDec22.pdf" rel="nofollow - Marler made no reference to any such comments in his submission to the RFU.
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Posted By: SK 88
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2023 at 22:22
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Heenan said "you're better than that brother", in reference to Marler kicking him in the previous ruck. RE:Coleman earlier in the thread one of those red cards was rescinded on appeal, so it is actually 2 red cards in 2 seasons. Not a great record by any stretch but not as bad as portrayed.
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2023 at 13:20
The transcript I read (and I couldn't find it when I originally posted) referred to Heenan saying you must be mad to Marler. Of course this is commonly said when someone does something daft and usually said without much thought and not because it is thought the person is genuinely mad. My point was that with Marler's well publicised mental health issues Heenan's comment could well have been misinterpreted. The fact Marler apologised after the game and then admitted his guilt at the hearing and didn't seek to use Heenan's comment as mitigation is at least to his credit even if he was a pi11ock for saying what he did in the first place.
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2023 at 13:26
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Found it now: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-11588287/Video-shows-Joe-Marler-called-opponents-mum-hospital-cancer-f-ing-w.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-11588287/Video-shows-Joe-Marler-called-opponents-mum-hospital-cancer-f-ing-w.html (Heenan to Marler "Hey brother, you mad eh?")
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2023 at 20:36
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Read an article earlier which stated even Marler's wife won't defend him. Just think his ban would be acceptable for a first offence - but it is far from that. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2023 at 07:28
| Listening to the Jim Hamilton podcast this week, Andy Goode was saying that the RFU charged Marler under their own laws rather than under the World Rugby regs which have much stricter bans for low/ medium/ high-end severity. This is why they were able to suspend four of the six weeks (due to his clean record and good behaviour...?) |
Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2023 at 10:32
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Marler deserves a much longer ban . . . that was not sledging or banter it was totally offensive and contrary to every value rugby espouses. Karl Dixon could obviously hear it and should have taken action before the flare up!! ------------- Run with it |
Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2023 at 11:56
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A lot of analysis on this going on - can anyone say that Marler knew that his mum had cancer and was in hospital? We know sledging exists and no doubt probably experienced it at some point in time. Yes, it wasn’t a nice thing to say especially once we are aware of the mother in question and her sad situation. He has been punished, he shouldn’t have said it, and is likely wishing he hadn’t. Perhaps instead let the powers that be use this situation to educate and promote better standards and set higher values for our international ’ England’ squad players to portray at all times. ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2023 at 12:22
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In my day if you swore at an opponent in any way it was a penalty . . Dixon obviously heard him say his mother was a f@cking betel nut and should have intervened then!!! ------------- Run with it |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2023 at 12:32
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Pat Lam’s view which of course won’t satisfy the “hang him high” brigade: Lam is happy the matter has been dealt with and still holds a
lot of affection for Marler who has apologised several times to Heenan,
privately and in public. “It’s been handled,” Lam said. “As I said at the time, we love
Joe. It was handled very well in the sense that he apologised to Jake straight
away, that evening, and Jake accepted it. “The formal process went through and he apologised again. As far as we’re
concerned it’s closed and we all move forward. “There’s
still a lot of love for Joe and I think he’s shown a lot of remorse. Apologies
are good but I think forgiveness is the best thing, so let’s all move on.” https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/rugby/joe-marler-bristol-bears-heenan-7997398" rel="nofollow - https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/rugby/joe-marler-bristol-bears-heenan-7997398
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2023 at 19:06
| It is nuts you can get punished more for saying a naughty word than for taking someone out late, injuring them and ending their career. |