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Topic: RWC 2023
Posted By: Steve@Mose
Subject: RWC 2023
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2022 at 13:49
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/60692972" rel="nofollow - Russia banned from Rugby World Cup qualification, Georgia advance
Russia will no longer be allowed to qualify for the 2023 Rugby World Cup, meaning Georgia have secured their place at the tournament in France.
World Rugby suspended Russia from international and cross-border competition following the country's invasion of Ukraine.
The Rugby World Cup board confirmed on Thursday this meant Russia could not complete their qualification matches.
Georgia are now guaranteed one of the European qualification places.
Russia's remaining opponents in the Rugby Europe Championship were each awarded four points for the abandoned matches and this was enough to put Georgia through.
Spain, Portugal and Romania are competing for the second qualification spot.
Georgia require only one more point from their final two games to guarantee the top qualifying spot and go into Pool C alongside Wales and Australia, while the second European qualifier will be placed in Scotland, Ireland and South Africa's pool. |
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2022 at 14:41
This seemed inevitable, and the appropriate action in the circumstances.
As mentioned, almost inevitable Georgia (35 pts) will finish top, but intriguingly poised below that:
- Spain 25 - 2 games left v Portugal (h) & Georgia (a) - Portugal 25 - 1 game left v Spain (a) - Romania 22 - 2 games left v Georgia (h) & Holland (a)
Unless Romania can beat Georgia on Saturday, winners of Spain v Portugal the following day are likely to qualify for their first RWC, with the losers potentially losing out altogether and being leapfrogged by the Romanians.
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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2022 at 14:54
Spain are in a bit of a purple patch at the moment so my money's on them as the second qualifier - which is one of those moments where I'm excited to see a new country coming in (especially one where rugby has been going for a long time but quite under the radar) vs Romania, who used to be a bit more of a force, and could really do with qualifying to reinvigorate the sport at home. Basically I'd be pleased for either of them.
Don't know enough about Portugal. Although saying that Jacques LeRoux is a Portuguese international at Moseley, so I know that.
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Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2022 at 14:59
islander wrote:
Unless Romania can beat Georgia on Saturday, winners of Spain v Portugal the following day are likely to qualify for their first RWC, with the losers potentially losing out altogether and being leapfrogged by the Romanians.
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Spain qualified in 1999 and Portugal in 2007.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2022 at 19:27
Mark W-J wrote:
islander wrote:
Unless Romania can beat Georgia on Saturday, winners of Spain v Portugal the following day are likely to qualify for their first RWC, with the losers potentially losing out altogether and being leapfrogged by the Romanians.
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Spain qualified in 1999 and Portugal in 2007. |
Sorry - poor memory. Stand corrected!
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2022 at 18:05
Some very good games this weekend:
Romania 23 Georgia 26 Spain 33 Portugal 28
Georgia (39pts) & Spain (33) assured of 1st/2nd & qualify for RWC with one game each still to play.
The 3rd-placed team goes into the repechage. Portugal (26) lie third, but have played all their games, so are likely to lose out to Romania, who have 23pts & just need a 4-pt win away to Holland (who are bottom with only 4pts) in their final game next w/e... (when Georgia host Spain)
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2022 at 18:07
http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/news/697310/spain-qualify-rugby-world-cup-2023" rel="nofollow - SPAIN END LONG WAIT FOR MEN’S RUGBY WORLD CUP RETURN
Spain booked their place at Rugby World Cup 2023 with a 33-28 win against Portugal in Madrid on Sunday.
Victory at Estadio Nacional Universidad ensures Spain will finish second in the combined Rugby Europe Championship 2021 and 2022 standings no matter the result of their final match against Georgia next Sunday.
Los Leones will end a 24-year wait for a second Rugby World Cup appearance when they make the short trip to France next year, where they will line up in Pool B alongside Webb Ellis Cup holders South Africa, Ireland, Scotland and the Asia / Pacific 1 qualifier. |
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Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2022 at 15:12
Spain have had five points deducted for fielding an ineligible player - a South African who hadn't completed his three year residency - and drop to fourth, which means they no longer qualify for the World Cup. Romania now qualify automatically, and Portugal move into the repechage.
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2022 at 15:51
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/61258214" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/61258214
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 05 May 2022 at 17:53
Now Spain get kicked out too for tampering with passports.
What on earth were their union thinking?
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Posted By: Stoatgobbler
Date Posted: 06 May 2022 at 16:00
Robb wrote:
Now Spain get kicked out too for tampering with passports.
What on earth were their union thinking? |
That's the second RWC in a row that they've been kicked out of.
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Posted By: Albert Fishwick
Date Posted: 06 May 2022 at 19:36
Spanish practices indeed.
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Posted By: Pistacio
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 15:17
So El Mundo have now done some research and it looks as though Romania may well have fielded an ineligible player.
This would mean Portugal auto qualify and Spain back in contention for an RWC spot as they were only docked 10 pts and this would get them into the repercharge group
http://https://www.elmundo.es/deportes/rugby/2022/05/31/62960b6fe4d4d858278b45db.html" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.elmundo.es/deportes/rugby/2022/05/31/62960b6fe4d4d858278b45db.html
http://https://punditarena.com/rugby/eoin-harte/romania-face-expulsion-rugby-world-cup-ineligible-player/" rel="nofollow - http://https://punditarena.com/rugby/eoin-harte/romania-face-expulsion-rugby-world-cup-ineligible-player/
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 16:15
What was that about glass houses and stones. Does that mean Ireland lose their 2018 slam and trade it in for a wooden spoon?
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Posted By: Pistacio
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2022 at 15:06
http://https://www.world.rugby/news/728050/independent-appeal-committee-decision-regarding-spain-player-eligibility" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.world.rugby/news/728050/independent-appeal-committee-decision-regarding-spain-player-eligibility
spain lose their appeal.
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Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2022 at 15:15
ITYM
https// http://www.world.rugby/news/728050/independent-appeal-committee-decision-regarding-spain-player-eligibility" rel="nofollow - www.world.rugby/news/728050/independent-appeal-committee-decision-regarding-spain-player-eligibility
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2022 at 15:36
I just can't believe Spain were stupid enough to get caught doing the same thing twice!
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 16:30
Robb wrote:
I just can't believe Spain were stupid enough to get caught doing the same thing twice! |
They were simply following the lead set by Saracens.
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2022 at 11:29
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/62194744" rel="nofollow - Rugby World Cup: Chile beat United States 31-29 to qualify for first time
Chile qualified for the Rugby World Cup for the first time after beating the United States 31-29 in Colorado to win by just one point on aggregate.
Santiago Videla's penalty in the 75th minute, which put the South Americans in front for the first time on Saturday, sealed victory.
The US had won last week's first leg 22-21 in Santiago.
Chile will be in Pool D at the 2023 World Cup in France alongside England, Argentina, Japan and Samoa.
The US, who have only once failed to qualify for the World Cup, can still reach France in 2023 when they compete in a final qualification tournament later this year.
They will face the third-placed team from the Rugby Europe Championship, the loser of the Asia/Pacific play-off and the Rugby Africa Cup runners-up for the final place in France.. |
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2022 at 14:30
Well done Chile. Not a good weekend for US sport, they lost to The Netherlands at cricket, missing out on a trip to the T20 world cup.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2022 at 09:16
The final qualification tournament - it used to be called the repechage - will be US, Kenya, Portugal and either Hong Kong or Tonga. If Tonga beat HK to take the automatic 'Asia' place, I wouldn't know who might emerge from that foursome, altho' Kenya have a significantly lower world ranking than the others...
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2022 at 09:43
17 (17) USA 67.17
18 (16) Tonga 67.10 19 (20) Portugal 65.08 21 (22) Hong Kong 61.72 33 (33) Kenya 52.06
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2022 at 09:51
Camquin wrote:
17 (17) USA 67.17
18 (16) Tonga 67.10 19 (20) Portugal 65.08 21 (22) Hong Kong 61.72 33 (33) Kenya 52.06
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I was going to post rankings, but don't believe they've been updated yet today (eg France are still shown as being top).
I see Tonga v HK is being played at Bokarina, on the Sunshine Coast in Queensland just N of Brisbane, at 5.30pm local time this Saturday...
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2022 at 10:45
It says updated 18th July, but I am not sure why Ireland are not top.
The IRB webpage has a story from Friday that says Ireland will move to the top if they beat the All Blacks.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2022 at 10:53
Camquin wrote:
It says updated 18th July, but I am not sure why Ireland are not top.
The IRB webpage has a story from Friday that says Ireland will move to the top if they beat the All Blacks. |
I'm guessing it's updated properly at a set time each Monday...
Are the IRB still based in Dublin? If so you'd imagine they'd be onto this! ![Big smile Big smile](smileys/smiley4.gif)
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Posted By: Pistacio
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2022 at 11:00
Based on
25-38 Loss to Japan in November 21
25-25 draw with Georgia in Georgia March 22 I think
31-38 loss in Lisbon to a full Italy side a few weeks ago
I think Portugal have a strong chance. Depends on the French clubs releasing players and people like Morgan Parra throwing their hats in the ring after 3 off from French duty. One caveat being that Portugal currently have a tendency to throw away leads with 20 minutes to go and sides with larger professoinal contingents have capitalized on this
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2022 at 11:23
The matches are scheduled for the Autumn International window, so I believe clubs must release players.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2022 at 14:02
Revised world rankings now out:
Tonga 16th US 17 Portugal 19 HK 21 Kenya 33
(Chile 24 fyi)
https://www.world.rugby/tournaments/rankings/mru" rel="nofollow - LINK
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2022 at 14:04
Camquin wrote:
The matches are scheduled for the Autumn International window, so I believe clubs must release players.
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yes, French clubs would be very short-sighted - and risk having the book thrown at them - if they tried to stop players playing in qualifying event for tournament in their own country 10 months later...
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2022 at 14:22
As an American, I will firstly say 'well done' to Chile. I will then go on to say that I genuinely believe Gary Gold to be one of the worst coaches in the world. He was an assistant for several quality sides, but as a head coach he: 1. Got Newcastle relegated. 2. Went to Bath and missed out on a Champions cup spot, then was 'promoted' away from any responsibility. 3. Led Sharks (superrugby, not Sale) from playoffs to second last. 4. Achieved an 11th place finish with Worcester.
His extremely poor selection policy including a love of 3rd rate MLR players has now seen the US hanging their hopes for RWC inclusion on the Repechage tournament. He is the kind of pathetic coach who spends his time complaining about pitch width instead of owning up to his own shortcomings both tactically during the game and strategically in development of the side. He's had five years in post, and the team has been in a downward spiral since 2018.
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Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2022 at 17:04
One Moseley player in Hong Kong team, Jack Coombes, scrum half.
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2022 at 12:24
http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/news/733294/tonga-v-hong-kong-rugby-world-cup-2023-asia-pacific-qualifier" rel="nofollow - Tonga qualify for Rugby World Cup 2023
Pool B now complete - Ireland, Romania, Scotland, South Africa and Tonga.
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2022 at 21:41
Well done to Tonga but I do still think it is wrong that Asia don't have an automatic qualifying spot. It worked fine until 2015 that every continent had an automatic qualifier. It was only because the Pacific Islands had a bad tournament that World Rugby had to rig it to get them back in. Hong Kong should be qualifying automatically.
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2022 at 11:59
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/africa/63609135" rel="nofollow - Kenya eliminated after qualifying loss to Portugal
Kenya's hopes of reaching the 2023 Rugby World Cup were ended as the 14-man Simbas were thrashed 85-0 by Portugal in Dubai.
A second successive heavy defeat in the qualification tournament means the east Africans can no longer seal the last place at next year's finals in France.
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Portugal have won both their games in Dubai with a bonus point and are set for a deciding match against the United States, the top-ranked side in the qualifier, on Friday.
The winners of the tournament will go into World Cup Pool C next year alongside Australia, Fiji, Georgia and Wales. |
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Posted By: Pistacio
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2022 at 12:26
the article is phrased very strangely.
why not "Portugal play exceptionally well" ??
I see Le Roux still scoring for Birmingham and he was in a pre repecharge camp in France so perhaps he will still feature in the rwc in some capacity .
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2022 at 14:12
Last place comes down to the match on Friday - Portugal v USA at 15:30.
Looks like you should be able to stream it from the RWC site.
https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/qualifiers/final-qualification-tournament" rel="nofollow - https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/qualifiers/final-qualification-tournament
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2022 at 17:17
Camquin wrote:
Last place comes down to the match on Friday - Portugal v USA at 15:30.
Looks like you should be able to stream it from the RWC site.
https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/qualifiers/final-qualification-tournament" rel="nofollow - https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/qualifiers/final-qualification-tournament
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As an American, I want to see the U.S. qualify on the one hand, but on the other, the whole USA Rugby approach to qualification and coaching appointments has been so flawed that they almost need to fail so that everything is blown up and they start again. Gary Gold has to go.
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2022 at 17:33
So unlike the situation in England.
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Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2022 at 19:34
USA 16 Portugal 16
Portugal qualify for the RWC
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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2022 at 08:54
R
gerg_861 wrote:
Camquin wrote:
Last place comes down to the match on Friday - Portugal v USA at 15:30.
Looks like you should be able to stream it from the RWC site.
https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/qualifiers/final-qualification-tournament" rel="nofollow - https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/qualifiers/final-qualification-tournament
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As an American, I want to see the U.S. qualify on the one hand, but on the other, the whole USA Rugby approach to qualification and coaching appointments has been so flawed that they almost need to fail so that everything is blown up and they start again. Gary Gold has to go. |
Looks like you are getting a new coach Daily Mail says they are offering Eddie Jones a 8 year contract
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Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2022 at 12:20
We can but hope!! He'll transform American rugby with his "You win games by not having the ball" philosophy
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Posted By: Marylebone
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2022 at 10:52
PiffPaff wrote:
USA 16 Portugal 16
Portugal qualify for the RWC |
https://twitter.com/t2rugby/status/1593658322934185985?s=51&t=W1dt3Ro_GmE6iccUGOBS4g" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/t2rugby/status/1593658322934185985?s=51&t=W1dt3Ro_GmE6iccUGOBS4g
Fantastic scenes as Portugal qualify
Courtesy of Gauthier Baudin
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Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2022 at 19:49
Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 10 May 2023 at 21:45
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/65548142" rel="nofollow - Joy Neville: Irish referee will be first female official at a men's World Cup
A total of 26 match officials - 12 referees, seven assistant referees and seven TMOs - representing nine nations, with more than 630 Test appearances between them, will take charge of the 48 tournament matches throughout September and October.
Referees: Nika Amashukeli (Georgia), Wayne Barnes (England), Nic Berry (Australia), Andrew Brace (Ireland), Matthew Carley (England), Karl Dickson (England), Angus Gardner (Australia), Ben O'Keeffe (New Zealand), Luke Pearce (England), Jaco Peyper (South Africa), Mathieu Raynal (France) and Paul Williams (New Zealand).
Assistant Referees: Chris Busby (Ireland), Pierre Brousset (France), James Doleman (New Zealand), Craig Evans (Wales), Andrea Piardi (Italy), Christophe Ridley (England) and Jordan Way (Australia).
Television Match Officials: Brett Cronan (Australia), Tom Foley (England), Marius Jonker (South Africa), Brian MacNeice (Ireland), Joy Neville (Ireland), Brendon Pickerill (New Zealand) and Ben Whitehouse (Wales) |
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Posted By: Marylebone
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 12:18
3 Spanish Speaking teams and 1 Portuguese team and none of the referees speak Spanish.
Obviously not the biggest issue In World Rugby’s In-Tray, but maybe fast track a Spanish speaker with the Same enthusiasm as the referee’s committee encourage ex players?
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Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 15:18
Wayne Barnes speaks French. 😀
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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 15:53
Marylebone wrote:
3 Spanish Speaking teams and 1 Portuguese team and none of the referees speak Spanish.
Obviously not the biggest issue In World Rugby’s In-Tray, but maybe fast track a Spanish speaker with the Same enthusiasm as the referee’s committee encourage ex players? |
If we're saying that the Portuguese should be counted as Spanish for the purpose of refereeing language (which IMO is a big leap), then surely Argentina are dealt with by Italian, given quite how many Argentineans are of Italian descent?
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 16:14
Marylebone wrote:
3 Spanish Speaking teams and 1 Portuguese team and none of the referees speak Spanish.
Obviously not the biggest issue In World Rugby’s In-Tray, but maybe fast track a Spanish speaker with the Same enthusiasm as the referee’s committee encourage ex players? |
Do we know none of them speak Spanish at all?
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 19:33
Marylebone wrote:
3 Spanish Speaking teams and 1 Portuguese team and none of the referees speak Spanish.
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I understand speaking Spanish as Portuguese is somewhat dangerous in either country - English and zFrench are a simpler option
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2023 at 22:23
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/66294909" rel="nofollow - Summer Nations Series: Bunker review system and shot clock among new features at tournament
A foul play 'Bunker' review system is one of a number of innovations set to be used during rugby's Summer Nations Series.
The series runs from the 29 July-27 August to offer warm-up games before the World Cup in September.
The various innovations are intended to provide "even more support to match officials" and help bring fans "as close to the action as possible".
They include a shot clock for kicks at goal and Hawk-Eye for replays.
The series has 15 games, starting with Scotland hosting Italy on 29 July, and features 13 teams.
They include Australia, England, Fiji, France, Georgia, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Romania, Samoa, Scotland, South Africa and Wales.
World Rugby used the Television Match Official (TMO) Bunker during the recent World Rugby Under-20 Championship.
If, after two video replays, the on-field referee is unable to decide if an incident deserves a red card, they have the option to show a yellow card. That then gives a second TMO a chance to have a detailed look at the incident in more detail, with all angles available.
The "Foul Play Review Officer" (FPRO), situated within the TMO Bunker will have up to eight minutes to review the incident and communicate the decision to the in-play officiating team.
The yellow card can then be upgraded to a red card with the player not returning to the field of play. This helps avoid players being wrongly shown a red card, as England's Freddie Steward was in the Six Nations in February.
As well as the bunker trial, Hawk-Eye technology will "act as the independent video replay operator, to support referees and enhances accuracy of decision making".
In-game play is expected to be increased by the introduction of the shot clock which gives players 90 seconds to take a conversion, and 60 seconds to take a penalty kick. This was trialled in this year's Six Nations.
Other innovations, such as Ref Cam and Smart Ball match data, will aim to add to the matchday experience for fans, helping to offer broadcasters access to new angles and perspectives, organisers Six Nations Rugby say. |
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 10:14
http://Www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/66427035" rel="nofollow - England squad named - Henry Slade and Alex Dombrandt miss out
Henry Slade and Alex Dombrandt are among the notable absentees from Steve Borthwick's 33-man England squad for the Rugby World Cup in France.
Joe Marchant is included but there is no place for Exeter back Slade, who played at the past two World Cups.
Saracens hooker Theo Dan, who made his debut in Saturday's warm-up loss to Wales, is also selected.
Owen Farrell will captain England, who open their tournament against Argentina in Mhazelnutille on 9 September. |
Forwards (19)
Ollie Chessum (Leicester Tigers, 9 caps)
Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 100 caps)***
Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 45 caps)*
Theo Dan (Saracens, 1 cap)
Ben Earl (Saracens, 15 caps)
Ellis Genge (Bristol Bears, 49 caps)*
Jamie George (Saracens, 77 caps)**
Maro Itoje (Saracens, 67 caps)*
Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 97 caps)***
Lewis Ludlam (Northampton Saints, 20 caps)*
Joe Marler (Harlequins, 79 caps)**
George Martin (Leicester Tigers, 2 caps)
David Ribbans (Toulon, 6 caps)
Bevan Rodd (Sale Sharks, 3 caps)
Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, 62 caps)*
Will Stuart (Bath Rugby, 26 caps)
Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 68 caps) **
Jack Walker (Harlequins, 3 caps)
Jack Willis (Toulouse, 10 caps)
Backs (14)
Henry Arundell (Racing 92, 7 caps)
Danny Care (Harlequins, 88 caps)*
Elliot Daly (Saracens, 57 caps)*
Owen Farrell (Saracens, 106 caps)**
George Ford (Sale Sharks, 82 caps)**
Ollie Lawrence (Bath Rugby, 11 caps)
Max Malins (Bristol Bears, 19 caps)
Joe Marchant (Stade Francais, 16 caps)
Marcus Smith (Harlequins, 22 caps)
Freddie Steward (Leicester Tigers, 23 caps)
Manu Tuilagi (Sale Sharks, 51 caps)**
Jack van Poortvliet (Leicester Tigers, 13 caps)
Anthony Watson (unattached, 55 caps)**
Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 122 caps)***
*denotes number of Rugby World Cup tournaments played |
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 11:43
That match in Cardiff was a good one to avoid, it seems.
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 14:30
Most of the England players manage to avoid playing in it Paul.
I predict a comprehensive England win in the return this weekend followed by press conferences saying it's all going to plan.
Probably from both sides.
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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 15:26
I think they need to find a game plan by then and a scrum half who can provide quick ball
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 16:37
tulip wrote:
I think they need to find a game plan by then and a scrum half who can provide quick ball |
England orders, scrum halves told not to take risks, if they'd just let them play, any of them. Quirke should have been there instead of Care, but they think Smith can't do anything at 10 unless Care is there.
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Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2023 at 17:02
Smith needs to stop worrying about his hair and figure out how to get his back line into play without kicking the leather off the ball
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Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2023 at 09:22
Scrumtime wrote:
Smith needs to stop worrying about his hair and figure out how to get his back line into play without kicking the leather off the ball
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See the previous comment. Does Smith kick the leather of the ball when he's playing across the A316? No - this whole kicking game from the half-backs is completely driven by the coaches, not the players.
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Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2023 at 10:10
Really and all you hear from coaches is they want players to take ownership.
Anyway he's gone at the expense of another 8 which I think is a mistake
Why do you need 3 10's ...you don't
Why do you need more that one 8.. well look at Billy's injury record ... you cannot tell me that Mercer would not add more value
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2023 at 10:15
It also helps that across the road, the forwards give the nine better ball, and the players outside him are aligned better, and the defenders have lass chance to get aligned.
A lot of that is due to the quality of the opposition.
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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2023 at 11:29
I never criticise a coach for his selection because I don't know what his overall strategy is and I don't know the way that individual players work together. What I will say is that if you pick the Quins players then you need to play the type of game that they are suited to, the principle of scoring more tries than the opposition, as opposed to the Leicester game of not conceding tries while you score or the Saracens way of waiting for the opposition to make mistakes and then capitalising on them.
The Quins way looks best but doesn't win trophies while the other two win trophies but can look boring. If you are going down the Leicester/Saracens route then you pick Youngs, Farrell, Tuilagi and Lawrence. If you're going the Quins route you pick Care, Smith, Slade and Marchant.
The real concern is the lack of power up front. What has happened to Genge and Sinckler? They used to dominate but don't any more.
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2023 at 11:35
Genge has gone backwards since going to Briz and for me Sinckler looks to be carrying an injury, he's holding back. Marler and Cole are ok in the Premiership, but the increased pace at international level exposes them and their age.
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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2023 at 13:33
tigerburnie wrote:
Genge has gone backwards since going to Briz and for me Sinckler looks to be carrying an injury, he's holding back. Marler and Cole are ok in the Premiership, but the increased pace at international level exposes them and their age. |
And then you have got Marler and Coles. 33 and 36 Seriously l wil bet there are better props in the Champioship It seems to be jobs for the boys with Borthwick But maybe I’m wrong He brought Leicester from relegation to Winners Need to see something this weekend
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2023 at 14:24
Depends on your definition of better, there will be props in the Championship who might run around quicker, but I doubt any will survive many scrums and Cole in particular wins a lot of turnover ball in the loose. He is too slow for international rugby, indeed there's a lot of the England team that are.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2023 at 14:41
Scrumtime wrote:
Smith needs to stop worrying about his hair and figure out how to get his back line into play without kicking the leather off the ball
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Do you, or did you, play in the forwards by any chance S-t?! Is it your contention that MS does more "worrying about his hair" while playing for England than in a Quins shirt?
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2023 at 15:10
islander wrote:
Scrumtime wrote:
Smith needs to stop worrying about his hair and figure out how to get his back line into play without kicking the leather off the ball
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Do you, or did you, play in the forwards by any chance S-t?! Is it your contention that MS does more "worrying about his hair" while playing for England than in a Quins shirt? |
I'd also point out that N'Tamack has glorious hair, kicks a lot and is a cracking fly half.
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Posted By: Se7en
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2023 at 20:07
1. Genge 2. George 3. Sinckler 4. Itoje 5. Lawes 6. Ludlam 7. Willis 8. Earl
9. Youngs 10. Farrell 11. Arundell 12. Tuilagi 13. Marchant 14. Watson 15. Steward
Marler, Walker, Cole, Curry, Billy, Care, Smith, Daly. My starting XV and bench from the England squad selected by Borthwick.
What does everyone else think? I'm sure there will be a lot of difference in opinion!
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2023 at 21:09
Lawes hasn't played 2nd row since 2019. He's a 6 and possibly the best around. England need a Ribbans or Martin type in with Itoje. I haven't got a clue what England's backline should be.
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Posted By: Se7en
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 05:28
It is a tricky one. Lawes and England actually have a better win rate with him playing at lock. I think everyone would agree that he has to be in the starting team, but equally Ludlam has put in some strong performances for England and coped with the step up from club to country without taking a backwards step.
Unfortunately the same can't be said for Ribbans and Martin, who have done nothing (in their admittedly few caps so far) to suggest they are international locks. Decent Prem players, but journeymen and not Test level. Neither of them would get into a top 5 international team.
Whereas if you play Lawes along with Ludlam, Willis and Earl, you have a very mobile back 5 in the loose with 4 proven jacklers to do the damage at the breakdown, a crucial area and one where England have been second best in recent time.
The trade off is that you may lose a bit of ballast at scrum time, but that's for the selectors to decide, and probably dependant on who is playing in the opposition scrum during the pool stages and beyond. Looking forward to it!
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Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 05:50
Paul10 wrote:
islander wrote:
Scrumtime wrote:
Smith needs to stop worrying about his hair and figure out how to get his back line into play without kicking the leather off the ball
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Do you, or did you, play in the forwards by any chance S-t?! Is it your contention that MS does more "worrying about his hair" while playing for England than in a Quins shirt? |
I'd also point out that N'Tamack has glorious hair, kicks a lot and is a cracking fly half. |
He does not spend every 30 seconds adjusting it is the point I’m making
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Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 10:49
Se7en wrote:
1. Genge2. George 3. Sinckler 4. Itoje 5. Lawes 6. Ludlam 7. Willis 8. Earl
9. Youngs 10. Farrell 11. Arundell 12. Tuilagi 13. Marchant 14. Watson 15. Steward
Marler, Walker, Cole, Curry, Billy, Care, Smith, Daly. My starting XV and bench from the England squad selected by Borthwick.
What does everyone else think? I'm sure there will be a lot of difference in opinion! |
There will be a lot of differing opinions and I agree with your back-line but I just don't see what others see in starting with Genge & Sinckler. Genge might get around a bit, take a few carries and make the odd tackle but you are just asking for trouble at the initial set pieces. Sinckler simply sulks his way through a match, adding not much else. They will certainly struggle against Argentina. Surely you start with Marler & Cole as they are the stronger in the scrum and they cannot be described as 'finishers'.
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Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 11:32
Yes agree totally Sid, I think Lawes at 6 with Ribbans in 2nd row.
Obviously disagree with squad make up !!!
For me Randall, Mitchell, Ruskin, Mercer, mcGuigan would all be in the squad!!
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Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 11:33
Yes would like to sinkler fired up and not just “sulk” throughout !!!
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 15:55
Scrumtime wrote:
Paul10 wrote:
islander wrote:
Scrumtime wrote:
Smith needs to stop worrying about his hair and figure out how to get his back line into play without kicking the leather off the ball
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Do you, or did you, play in the forwards by any chance S-t?! Is it your contention that MS does more "worrying about his hair" while playing for England than in a Quins shirt? |
I'd also point out that N'Tamack has glorious hair, kicks a lot and is a cracking fly half. |
He does not spend every 30 seconds adjusting it is the point I’m making
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You seriously think Smith spends every 30 seconds adjusting his hair? Seriously?
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Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 16:49
watch your TV and count next time
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 17:01
Sid James wrote:
Se7en wrote:
1. Genge2. George 3. Sinckler 4. Itoje 5. Lawes 6. Ludlam 7. Willis 8. Earl
9. Youngs 10. Farrell 11. Arundell 12. Tuilagi 13. Marchant 14. Watson 15. Steward
Marler, Walker, Cole, Curry, Billy, Care, Smith, Daly. My starting XV and bench from the England squad selected by Borthwick.
What does everyone else think? I'm sure there will be a lot of difference in opinion! |
There will be a lot of differing opinions and I agree with your back-line but I just don't see what others see in starting with Genge & Sinckler. Genge might get around a bit, take a few carries and make the odd tackle but you are just asking for trouble at the initial set pieces. Sinckler simply sulks his way through a match, adding not much else. They will certainly struggle against Argentina. Surely you start with Marler & Cole as they are the stronger in the scrum and they cannot be described as 'finishers'. |
Genge has gone backwards since going home and Sinkler is not an international player, I agree as Marler and Cole are there, they have to start as neither will last more than 40 minutes.
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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2023 at 12:25
It’s a tad sad when you think Marler and Cole’s won’t last more than 40 mins. Shouldn’t be there
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2023 at 13:56
Scrumtime wrote:
watch your TV and count next time
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I've watched him live very many times and to say that he adjusts his hair every thirty seconds is complete and utter nonsense I'm afraid.
Of course he adjusts his hair a lot but why exaggerate? It's just silly.
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2023 at 21:38
So...what do A.J. McGinty and Owen Farrell have in common? A: Neither one of them will be playing in the World Cup this year.
Seriously though, Farrell must have the worst tackle technique in England, and surely can expect no less than a six match ban.
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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2023 at 22:09
I haven’t seen the tackle but I’m sure Farrell will miss the Irish game He doesn’t seem to learn that referees are looking out for him. Scotland went close again tonight. Hopefully the Celtic clan can put South Africa out of World Cup
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 07:10
http://twitter.com/i/status/1690426167319265281" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/i/status/1690426167319265281 Looks conclusive.
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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 08:54
corporalcarrot wrote:
http://twitter.com/i/status/1690426167319265281" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/i/status/1690426167319265281 Looks conclusive.
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Surprised referee didn’t give a straight red. Biggar thought so too and that’s what started their argument
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 09:23
The press are talking about him missing the first game. However, if the panel decides it is mid-range, he would miss the entire pool stages.
And it is his second red for a high tackle this year.
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 09:54
From January 2023:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/owen-farrell-england-scotland-london-six-nations-b2267615.html" rel="nofollow - England captain Owen Farrell insists he has learned from his tackle course
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 10:10
Camquin wrote:
The press are talking about him missing the first game. However, if the panel decides it is mid-range, he would miss the entire pool stages.
And it is his second red for a high tackle this year.
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His last ban was 4 weeks reduced to 3 so this one will be 6-8 weeks, won't it?
And I wonder if leaving him out will help England.
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 11:02
Paul10 wrote:
Camquin wrote:
The press are talking about him missing the first game. However, if the panel decides it is mid-range, he would miss the entire pool stages.
And it is his second red for a high tackle this year.
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His last ban was 4 weeks reduced to 3 so this one will be 6-8 weeks, won't it?
And I wonder if leaving him out will help England.
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Indeed, and I dont see how he can get any mitigation as he does not have a clean record, can't take the tackle course, and can't claim a lack of experience.
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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 11:26
Next week we have the England and Ireland captains both banned Doesn’t give a good message to our youth starting to play Rugby Jonny got lucky with a 3 week ban. So I hope Owen gets some leniency as well But his track record is not good
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 13:35
I can see Argentina and Japan going through, especially as Argentina have 13 Premiership players to pick from. Japan have the discipline and energy to beat England. Whatever happened to the EQP project?
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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 14:36
Paul10 wrote:
Camquin wrote:
The press are talking about him missing the first game. However, if the panel decides it is mid-range, he would miss the entire pool stages.
And it is his second red for a high tackle this year.
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His last ban was 4 weeks reduced to 3 so this one will be 6-8 weeks, won't it?
And I wonder if leaving him out will help England.
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He's a liability and I've yet to see any mitigation about what he actually offers England. Our back line, which he should be getting going, is ponderous at best and Borthwick like Jones still has no idea what the English back line should be. Ford and Smith offer far more, but we still need a 9 who has insight and pace.
------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards
Remember Wakefield RFC
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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 15:09
I would have loved to have seen Farrell play Rugby League like his dad. I think he would have been terrific Tackle ability would certainly been ok
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 15:14
Ironically, England's best teams of my life have coincided with particularly violent captains.
Johnson, Hartley and 2019 Farrell.
A long ban will be a blessing in disguise
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Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 15:39
tulip wrote:
corporalcarrot wrote:
http://twitter.com/i/status/1690426167319265281" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/i/status/1690426167319265281 Looks conclusive.
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Surprised referee didn’t give a straight red. Biggar thought so too and that’s what started their argument |
Biggar should stick to playing and leave officiating to the numerous officials.
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 15:54
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2023/aug/12/owen-farrells-red-card-likely-to-put-englands-world-cup-plans-in-disarray" rel="nofollow - Owen Farrell’s red card likely to put England’s World Cup plans in disarray
The silver lining was the cameo of George Ford, who is now the favourite for the No 10 jersey for the World Cup opener against Argentina. He spearheaded Leicester’s Premiership-winning title campaign under Borthwick and there was always the sense that he would play a key role under his former club coach. He came on here before the hour mark, Borthwick no doubt keen to see how he dovetailed with Farrell back in their 10-12 partnership. He didn’t get much of a chance to see that but he did witness Ford give an assured performance to drag England back into the game. Might this be one of those sliding doors moments? Does Farrell get back into this side? Probably, but Ford now has an opportunity he has waited for patiently. “That’s Steve’s decision,” said Ford of stepping into the No 10 jersey. “What I do won’t change. Since coming in six or seven weeks ago, I’ve tried to take a bit of a lead and help as much as I can.”
Farrell’s absence is a problem for Borthwick for a number of reasons. He named Farrell as his World Cup captain well in advance of when was necessary. It was a statement of intent, that this is a team built in Farrell’s mould, back at fly-half, his side. It is also a problem because there is the scope for distraction in the coming weeks.
His hearing will be this week, all the while Borthwick must prepare England to face Ireland next Saturday. If he does receive a four-match ban then the earliest he can play is against Chile at the World Cup, a match that Borthwick surely had earmarked for Marcus Smith. If the ban is anything more than that, would Borthwick consider leaving him out of the squad entirely? Players in the squad who are not available can often hold the rest back and Borthwick cannot allow this to be something akin to another metatarsal moment for England. |
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Posted By: Whistle watcher
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 16:07
Paul10 wrote:
Ironically, England's best teams of my life have coincided with particularly violent captains.
Johnson, Hartley and 2019 Farrell.
A long ban will be a blessing in disguise |
I think Johnno and Hartley used more considered violence then Owen. He seems to be headless. At least you deserved a smack if Johnno or Dylan handed them out.. Or are those my playing days talking??
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 18:28
Whistle watcher wrote:
Paul10 wrote:
Ironically, England's best teams of my life have coincided with particularly violent captains.
Johnson, Hartley and 2019 Farrell.
A long ban will be a blessing in disguise |
I think Johnno and Hartley used more considered violence then Owen. He seems to be headless. At least you deserved a smack if Johnno or Dylan handed them out.. Or are those my playing days talking??
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I think some of Hartley's considered violence was beyond necessary but Johnno's was part of the game.
Like Farrell these played the game on the edge of the laws.
And I can't moan too much given Sam Warburton smashed a Frenchman on his head in a world cup semi final.
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Posted By: Redted
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 19:18
Paul10 wrote:
Whistle watcher wrote:
Paul10 wrote:
Ironically, England's best teams of my life have coincided with particularly violent captains.
Johnson, Hartley and 2019 Farrell.
A long ban will be a blessing in disguise |
I think Johnno and Hartley used more considered violence then Owen. He seems to be headless. At least you deserved a smack if Johnno or Dylan handed them out.. Or are those my playing days talking??
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I think some of Hartley's considered violence was beyond necessary but Johnno's was part of the game.
Like Farrell these played the game on the edge of the laws.
And I can't moan too much given Sam Warburton smashed a Frenchman on his head in a world cup semi final. |
and in the process cost his team the match. Ill discipline costs teams games. Farrell will never learn.
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 19:28
Yep. Can't argue with that.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 21:39
Does anyone know the rules about changing your squad after it's been named? Obviously if someone breaks his leg then a replacement comes in - would same apply if someone was to be banned for entire pool stage?
Farrell hearing on Tues...
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2023 at 08:52
islander wrote:
Does anyone know the rules about changing your squad after it's been named? Obviously if someone breaks his leg then a replacement comes in - would same apply if someone was to be banned for entire pool stage?
Farrell hearing on Tues... |
Wikipedia knows
Final squads submitted to WR on 1st Sept
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Rugby_World_Cup" rel="nofollow - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Rugby_World_Cup
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Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2023 at 15:09
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/66499462" rel="nofollow - Jack van Poortvliet to miss World Cup with ankle injury
England scrum-half Jack van Poortvliet will miss the Rugby World Cup because of an ankle injury which requires surgery.
Northampton Saints scrum-half Alex Mitchell has been called up as a replacement. |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/66498219" rel="nofollow - Romain Ntamack to miss tournament after anterior cruciate ligament injury
France fly-half Romain Ntamack has been ruled out of a home Rugby World Cup because of a ruptured anterior cruciate ligament.
Ntamack, 24, injured his left knee in Les Bleus' 30-27 World Cup warm-up win over Scotland.
France, who are hosting the World Cup, play New Zealand in the opening game on 8 September at Stade de France.
Bordeaux Begles' Matthieu Jalibert will likely replace Ntamack as France's starting fly-half. |
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2023 at 16:01
tulip wrote:
Next week we have the England and Ireland captains both banned Doesn’t give a good message to our youth starting to play Rugby Jonny got lucky with a 3 week ban. So I hope Owen gets some leniency as well But his track record is not good
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I believe Argentina and Japan are hoping he gets some leniency as well!
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