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Topic: The Price You Pay
Posted By: Skipton Gardener
Subject: The Price You Pay
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2024 at 10:58
As we charge towards yet another league season full of drama, joy and the unexpected I was wondering at what cost. Now I'm not talking about membership and season tickets et al, I am thinking of grass roots stuff where if you want to watch a game, you turn up and pay at the gate, which has been my preferred method of supporting my chosen team for just approaching my 22nd season. I am aware that certain clubs do allow concessions (at the top end of the age spectrum) such as Otley and even Sedgeley Park did, before they left us for the heights of Nat 1.

At Wharfedale the pay at the gate price is now £12, up from £10 last season. There are no (old) age concessions and if I pay extra to join all manner of new levels and types of membership recently introduced, I would then only be paying £10 per game. But I do not want to do anything other than pay at the gate when I want to watch a match. Over the last 2 seasons I have not missed a single home fixture and my reward is.....a 20% hike in entry fee.

Will be very interested to see what other clubs across National 2 are charging for entry.


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Riverball is the call..and the book!



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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2024 at 13:19
Originally posted by Skipton Gardener Skipton Gardener wrote:

As we charge towards yet another league season full of drama, joy and the unexpected I was wondering at what cost. Now I'm not talking about membership and season tickets et al, I am thinking of grass roots stuff where if you want to watch a game, you turn up and pay at the gate, which has been my preferred method of supporting my chosen team for just approaching my 22nd season. I am aware that certain clubs do allow concessions (at the top end of the age spectrum) such as Otley and even Sedgeley Park did, before they left us for the heights of Nat 1.

At Wharfedale the pay at the gate price is now £12, up from £10 last season. There are no (old) age concessions and if I pay extra to join all manner of new levels and types of membership recently introduced, I would then only be paying £10 per game. But I do not want to do anything other than pay at the gate when I want to watch a match. Over the last 2 seasons I have not missed a single home fixture and my reward is.....a 20% hike in entry fee.

Will be very interested to see what other clubs across National 2 are charging for entry.

It does seem to me that £12 for a grandstand seat and car parking (according to the website) is a really good deal even if £10 for the same last year was even better!


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2024 at 14:43
The other point is that if you were a member paying the appropriate rate you would have the opportunity to vote at an AGM when, presumably, membership rates for the next season are either agreed or otherwise. If the limit of your interest is paying to watch a game of rugby then it follows that you either pay the going rate or don't go


Posted By: greenpower
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2024 at 15:52
 skipton gardener  in order to save  yourself £12  turn up at the avenue at about  7 0clock in the morning   there,s no one on the gate then  problem sortedBig smileBig smileBig smile


Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2024 at 16:03
Originally posted by greenpower greenpower wrote:

 skipton gardener  in order to save  yourself £12  turn up at the avenue at about  7 0clock in the morning   there,s no one on the gate then  problem sortedBig smileBig smileBig smile
Won't you be there? 😆


Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2024 at 16:57
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Skipton Gardener Skipton Gardener wrote:

As we charge towards yet another league season full of drama, joy and the unexpected I was wondering at what cost. Now I'm not talking about membership and season tickets et al, I am thinking of grass roots stuff where if you want to watch a game, you turn up and pay at the gate, which has been my preferred method of supporting my chosen team for just approaching my 22nd season. I am aware that certain clubs do allow concessions (at the top end of the age spectrum) such as Otley and even Sedgeley Park did, before they left us for the heights of Nat 1.

At Wharfedale the pay at the gate price is now £12, up from £10 last season. There are no (old) age concessions and if I pay extra to join all manner of new levels and types of membership recently introduced, I would then only be paying £10 per game. But I do not want to do anything other than pay at the gate when I want to watch a match. Over the last 2 seasons I have not missed a single home fixture and my reward is.....a 20% hike in entry fee.

Will be very interested to see what other clubs across National 2 are charging for entry.

It does seem to me that £12 for a grandstand seat and car parking (according to the website) is a really good deal even if £10 for the same last year was even better!

agree, seems decent value; how many pints of beer at local prices is that - guessing just under three?!

incentivising people to become members is something i'm all for, seems to me that it's a way of getting people to take a bit of a stake in a club, and cheaper prices for tickets, lunches, beer, merchandise etc (+ other benefits such as international ticket ballot or voting rights at AGMs) as a reward for this seems reasonable; and, by the same token, penalising non-members for their slightly lower level of commitment by charging them a little more.



Posted By: Ramsale2
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2024 at 18:07
Sorry but ban me for stereotypical matters.

Are you being a tight Yorkshire …….


Posted By: titans.chris
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2024 at 18:20
Below the belt Ramsale2, below the belt LOL


Posted By: greenpower
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2024 at 19:34
Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:

[QUOTE=greenpower] skipton gardener  in order to save  yourself £12  turn up at the avenue at about  7 0clock in the morning   there,s no one on the gate then  problem sortedBig smileBig smileBig smile
Won't you be there? 😆
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no i get there about eight as i have a season ticketTongue


Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2024 at 20:04
Originally posted by greenpower greenpower wrote:

Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:

[QUOTE=greenpower] skipton gardener  in order to save  yourself £12  turn up at the avenue at about  7 0clock in the morning   there,s no one on the gate then  problem sortedBig smileBig smileBig smile
Won't you be there? 😆
[/QUOTE


no i get there about eight as i have a season ticketTongue
Thumbs Up


Posted By: Barrowford green
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2024 at 11:00
Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Skipton Gardener Skipton Gardener wrote:

As we charge towards yet another league season full of drama, joy and the unexpected I was wondering at what cost. Now I'm not talking about membership and season tickets et al, I am thinking of grass roots stuff where if you want to watch a game, you turn up and pay at the gate, which has been my preferred method of supporting my chosen team for just approaching my 22nd season. I am aware that certain clubs do allow concessions (at the top end of the age spectrum) such as Otley and even Sedgeley Park did, before they left us for the heights of Nat 1.

At Wharfedale the pay at the gate price is now £12, up from £10 last season. There are no (old) age concessions and if I pay extra to join all manner of new levels and types of membership recently introduced, I would then only be paying £10 per game. But I do not want to do anything other than pay at the gate when I want to watch a match. Over the last 2 seasons I have not missed a single home fixture and my reward is.....a 20% hike in entry fee.

Will be very interested to see what other clubs across National 2 are charging for entry.

It does seem to me that £12 for a grandstand seat and car parking (according to the website) is a really good deal even if £10 for the same last year was even better!

agree, seems decent value; how many pints of beer at local prices is that - guessing just under three?!

incentivising people to become members is something i'm all for, seems to me that it's a way of getting people to take a bit of a stake in a club, and cheaper prices for tickets, lunches, beer, merchandise etc (+ other benefits such as international ticket ballot or voting rights at AGMs) as a reward for this seems reasonable; and, by the same token, penalising non-members for their slightly lower level of commitment by charging them a little more.


Isn't supporting the same club for 22 years "taking a bit of a stake"?


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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2024 at 12:09
Originally posted by Barrowford green Barrowford green wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Skipton Gardener Skipton Gardener wrote:

As we charge towards yet another league season full of drama, joy and the unexpected I was wondering at what cost. Now I'm not talking about membership and season tickets et al, I am thinking of grass roots stuff where if you want to watch a game, you turn up and pay at the gate, which has been my preferred method of supporting my chosen team for just approaching my 22nd season. I am aware that certain clubs do allow concessions (at the top end of the age spectrum) such as Otley and even Sedgeley Park did, before they left us for the heights of Nat 1.

At Wharfedale the pay at the gate price is now £12, up from £10 last season. There are no (old) age concessions and if I pay extra to join all manner of new levels and types of membership recently introduced, I would then only be paying £10 per game. But I do not want to do anything other than pay at the gate when I want to watch a match. Over the last 2 seasons I have not missed a single home fixture and my reward is.....a 20% hike in entry fee.

Will be very interested to see what other clubs across National 2 are charging for entry.

It does seem to me that £12 for a grandstand seat and car parking (according to the website) is a really good deal even if £10 for the same last year was even better!

agree, seems decent value; how many pints of beer at local prices is that - guessing just under three?!

incentivising people to become members is something i'm all for, seems to me that it's a way of getting people to take a bit of a stake in a club, and cheaper prices for tickets, lunches, beer, merchandise etc (+ other benefits such as international ticket ballot or voting rights at AGMs) as a reward for this seems reasonable; and, by the same token, penalising non-members for their slightly lower level of commitment by charging them a little more.


Isn't supporting the same club for 22 years "taking a bit of a stake"?

Yes… but one has to have a structure for pricing & if someone opts not to become a member (for reasons not elaborated on by SG after starting the thread & inviting people’s thoughts) then they have to accept the club policy if they still wish to attend on their own terms… in my opinion 


Posted By: Skipton Gardener
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2024 at 14:24
Can't wait for somebody who is actually supporting a National 2 team to let on how much their club charges for "pay at the gate" entry. Meanwhile I'm having a good laugh reading the additional comments.

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Riverball is the call..and the book!


Posted By: Happy
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2024 at 16:15
£10 if that helps 


Posted By: Megrim
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2024 at 17:56
Barnstaple at level 5 charged £12 last year 

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Posted By: Deva Delinquent
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2024 at 20:32
I've been a membership & season ticket holder at Chester since 2014 and pay on the gate has always been £10.

Now there has been an increase in memberships and season tickets this year, the first one in since covid if I remember correctly, but I haven't seen anything about on-the-day prices also increasing, so I can only assume they remain at £10.


Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2024 at 08:48
I do think that there should be a reduction for OAPS. After all they probably have supported that club for many years.  Could anyone give me a percentage of pay on the gate as opposed to membership at this level I would think you need to look after the former


Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2024 at 10:07
Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

I do think that there should be a reduction for OAPS. After all they probably have supported that club for many years.  Could anyone give me a percentage of pay on the gate as opposed to membership at this level I would think you need to look after the former

Concession pricing for OAPs (& any other group) is the sort of topic members of members' clubs could bring motions on in a bid to achieve change...


Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2024 at 10:11
Jersey RFC, newly arrived at level 5, entered the league system at L7 two years ago, with no entry charge that season, nor last season after promotion to L6. This year, after another promotion, the AGM supported a call for an entry fee, but felt the £5 (members) or £10 (non) proposed by a couple of rank-and-file members was too high, so it was subsequently decided that entry would be free for members, £5 for non...


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2024 at 12:29
Originally posted by Skipton Gardener Skipton Gardener wrote:

Can't wait for somebody who is actually supporting a National 2 team to let on how much their club charges for "pay at the gate" entry. Meanwhile I'm having a good laugh reading the additional comments.

As I did reading yours!


Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2024 at 16:06
I recall going to the first game England played at the Stade de France in 1998, the ticket cost a fiver. That’s right £5. 

I’ll not mention the £104 return ticket on Eurostar & the two nights accommodation in central Paris but still good value. 

Going back to the original point, the financial aspect is a purely personal one in terms of what the outlay means to the individual in terms of value and affordability, and what pleasure such an outlay means to you. 

Take my football club Rotherham United (I wish someone would - lol) a match ticket on a casual basis is £27 (personally I would want paying much more than that)
At my age (concession) would cost about £20, which in the Championship was not bad but less so now. 

Now if it was the Titans I would gladly pay because they put their bodies on the line week in week out & get nothing like the money the footballers get.


Posted By: Skipton Gardener
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2024 at 16:54
An interesting piece Rothman2.

Out of interest what was the gate price last season (before you decided to leave N2N).

Good luck in Nat 1.


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Riverball is the call..and the book!


Posted By: Skipton Gardener
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2024 at 16:58
Perhaps a visit to the Yorkshire Dales National Park is required before you opt to make a comment about "parking" and "grandstand" facilities at "no extra cost". At least you took the time to voice your thoughts which is exactly what this forum is about. What is your Nat 2 team may I ask??

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Riverball is the call..and the book!


Posted By: Skipton Gardener
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2024 at 17:00
You have seen through my cunning plan I think.....

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Riverball is the call..and the book!


Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2024 at 17:07
Originally posted by Skipton Gardener Skipton Gardener wrote:

An interesting piece Rothman2.

Out of interest what was the gate price last season (before you decided to leave N2N).

Good luck in Nat 1.

Thank you for the good wishes. We have built a very strong squad this year on top of the (many) lads that have stayed put. How good? Will comment further after the Rosslyn Park opener.

What are your lads’ prospects this year & are Leeds still the team to beat.

Re pricing. See below extract from TitansRugby.com :

Rotherham Titans are excited to be returning to National 1 following their promotion last season and you won’t want to miss a thing this year as the boys look to build on that success.

With a slight increase of match day prices (£12 for members and £15 for non-members) now is the time to beat the increase and grab yours.

The cost of a standing season ticket, which includes the £25 membership fee is £130.



Posted By: JZSmith
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2024 at 12:45
A bit bizarre moaning about the grandstand and car park at Wharfedale when the club website promotes it as a benefit of the £12 ticket price.
https://www.wharfedalerufc.co.uk/admission-and-membership-2024-25/" rel="nofollow - https://www.wharfedalerufc.co.uk/admission-and-membership-2024-25/

Maybe become a member and lobby for improvements?


Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2024 at 17:53
I am always surprised by the number of people on RM who appear not to be Club Members but still choose to criticise their Club and others without actually knowing what has been said or done.

Rugby needs all the help it can get and membership of Clubs is the best way to give that help once you have stopped playing or coaching.


Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2024 at 11:13
Coming from National 1,Moseley have kept prices the same I believe and where as they used to charge an extra £5 to sit in the stand it no longer applies 

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Posted By: Skipton Gardener
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2024 at 11:20
Originally posted by Rothman2 Rothman2 wrote:

Originally posted by Skipton Gardener Skipton Gardener wrote:

An interesting piece Rothman2.

Out of interest what was the gate price last season (before you decided to leave N2N).

Good luck in Nat 1.

Thank you for the good wishes. We have built a very strong squad this year on top of the (many) lads that have stayed put. How good? Will comment further after the Rosslyn Park opener.

What are your lads’ prospects this year & are Leeds still the team to beat.

Re pricing. See below extract from TitansRugby.com :

Rotherham Titans are excited to be returning to National 1 following their promotion last season and you won’t want to miss a thing this year as the boys look to build on that success.

With a slight increase of match day prices (£12 for members and £15 for non-members) now is the time to beat the increase and grab yours.

The cost of a standing season ticket, which includes the £25 membership fee is £130.


In terms of our chances this coming season, we only have one 1st team warm up game v Kendal this coming Saturday, so I have not seen any rugby so far. Blackburn cancelled on us and I believe we cancelled on Sedgeley Park. From what I hear Otley have been busy and boast quite a few new signings as do Leeds Tykes. Fylde will come back stronger I think, so who knows.

Now if Wharfedale had followed what you guys have done re "a standing season ticket including membership at £130", that would have been brilliant and I would have jumped at it. Instead they have used smoke and mirrors to deflect attention away from the pay at the gate increase, launched numerous other "grades" of paying, so much so that they have taken in most of the RM population who have never been to the Avenue. Last season a season ticket with membership was around £175. Last season pay at the gate was £10 per game with 13 home league games. Easy maths and not taking into account my 28 mile round trip per game for the last 20+ years.

I suppose I have a choice to make. Shut up and pay up (not happening), limit my attendance or look at other clubs far closer to home, perhaps not at the same standard/level and go and give them my full support.




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Riverball is the call..and the book!


Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2024 at 12:26
Originally posted by Skipton Gardener Skipton Gardener wrote:


I suppose I have a choice to make. Shut up and pay up (not happening), limit my attendance or look at other clubs far closer to home, perhaps not at the same standard/level and go and give them my full support.


There is another option SG: pay up, for membership, thereby giving you the right to speak up (and vote) at AGMs + other members' forums, where it is likely you would gain insights/explanations about why club management is changing prices etc. You have taken the choice to remain on the outside, thereby limiting your choices to those you list. Seems surprising that a long-term supporter of a club would up sticks over a £26 rise in annual admission cost, but your prerogative, and if you do go elsewhere, I hope you'll be happy with the new relationship and find some greener grass...


Posted By: JZSmith
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2024 at 14:42
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

I am always surprised by the number of people on RM who appear not to be Club Members but still choose to criticise their Club and others without actually knowing what has been said or done.

Rugby needs all the help it can get and membership of Clubs is the best way to give that help once you have stopped playing or coaching.

Totally agree!


Posted By: Albert Fishwick
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2024 at 10:47
Originally posted by Skipton Gardener Skipton Gardener wrote:


I suppose I have a choice to make. Shut up and pay up (not happening), limit my attendance or look at other clubs far closer to home, perhaps not at the same standard/level and go and give them my full support.


It’s three quid in at Skipton, or at least it was last season. Decent ale too. Just remember sunglasses.


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Posted By: JZSmith
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2024 at 12:14
Originally posted by Albert Fishwick Albert Fishwick wrote:

Originally posted by Skipton Gardener Skipton Gardener wrote:


I suppose I have a choice to make. Shut up and pay up (not happening), limit my attendance or look at other clubs far closer to home, perhaps not at the same standard/level and go and give them my full support.


It’s three quid in at Skipton, or at least it was last season. Decent ale too. Just remember sunglasses.

The sun shines in Skipton? Big smile


Posted By: Albert Fishwick
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2024 at 14:19
Now and then. And if you're on the clubhouse side you're looking right at it.

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That's easy for you to say.


Posted By: Skipton Gardener
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2024 at 15:54
Originally posted by Albert Fishwick Albert Fishwick wrote:

Originally posted by Skipton Gardener Skipton Gardener wrote:


I suppose I have a choice to make. Shut up and pay up (not happening), limit my attendance or look at other clubs far closer to home, perhaps not at the same standard/level and go and give them my full support.


It’s three quid in at Skipton, or at least it was last season. Decent ale too. Just remember sunglasses.

Will certainly come and have a look early season. 


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Riverball is the call..and the book!


Posted By: greenpower
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2024 at 16:59
seen as how you are struggling with the increase sg  at todays kendal game we had a whipround  managed to get a £1 each  off all the supporters who like you  and raised £1,75 LOLLOL

although gargrave green declined to donate


Posted By: Skipton Gardener
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2024 at 11:58
Originally posted by greenpower greenpower wrote:

seen as how you are struggling with the increase sg  at todays kendal game we had a whipround  managed to get a £1 each  off all the supporters who like you  and raised £1,75 LOLLOL

although gargrave green declined to donate


Aha Mr GP, a new career beckons then......Must have missed the bucket due to my late arrival, surprised at the amount. Gargrave Green has always been careful with his money.


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Riverball is the call..and the book!


Posted By: JZSmith
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2024 at 12:16
There must be a local ground in a dip where you can stand outside and watch for free isn't there?

Possibly worth a new thread?


Posted By: Skipton Gardener
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2024 at 14:05
Originally posted by JZSmith JZSmith wrote:

There must be a local ground in a dip where you can stand outside and watch for free isn't there?

Possibly worth a new thread?

It was never about just the cost of entry, it was really aimed at how poorly all of the early communications were handled and worded, you know, smoke and mirrors stuff. Since my original post on here the club has posted numerous clarifications and all is now abundantly clear. Yes, the price at the gate has increased £2 up to £12. But it was the dreadful way it was handled back then.




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Riverball is the call..and the book!


Posted By: JZSmith
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2024 at 15:28
Originally posted by Skipton Gardener Skipton Gardener wrote:

Originally posted by JZSmith JZSmith wrote:

There must be a local ground in a dip where you can stand outside and watch for free isn't there?

Possibly worth a new thread?

It was never about just the cost of entry, it was really aimed at how poorly all of the early communications were handled and worded, you know, smoke and mirrors stuff. Since my original post on here the club has posted numerous clarifications and all is now abundantly clear. Yes, the price at the gate has increased £2 up to £12. But it was the dreadful way it was handled back then.



And yet bizarrely your original post didn't mention anything about these poor communications although it did mention "all manner of new levels and types of membership recently introduced" which suggests the communication wasn't that bad although possibly members would have received even better communication?

The man doth protest too much, methinks!



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