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Topic: Do you trust the RFU?
Posted By: Big Eddie
Subject: Do you trust the RFU?
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2025 at 17:02
For me as with most things in life the current furore surrounding the RFU comes down to trust. If the trust in the RFU has gone then fundamental change is required for trust to return. Nothing can be resolved, developed or advanced if there isn't trust.

I have only provided two possible poll responses Yes or No.  I do not think that trust can be subdivided you either trust an organisation or you don't. The poll allows replies so you can caveat with words if you wish but as far as the poll numbers are concerned you either trust the organisation or you don't.

I have done enough of these polls to know that participation in such polls is generally low in number (Normally less than a 100) because you have to be a registered member of Rolling Maul for a certain period of time before you can vote. However, we can use the poll as a barometer to judge how those who are sufficiently immersed in rugby union below the elite level feel. I exhort you all to participate

The poll will close on 31 March 2025


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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2025 at 08:07
I will be posting short messages on this thread just to keep it current and at the forefront of everyone's attention. It would be good to get at least a 100 votes

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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2025 at 12:01
The poll has now been running for about 5 daylight hours........0 YES votes and 25 NO votes with no caveat comments. 

Obviously we will have to get a lot more votes to make this statistically relevant but I think most people will see the way this is presently headed


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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2025 at 15:14
For those that perhaps want to vote YES it would be useful if you provided a comment on why you still trust the RFU

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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2025 at 15:19
Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

For those that perhaps want to vote YES it would be useful if you provided a comment on why you still trust the RFU

Null set so far BigEddie


Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2025 at 17:44
Thirty votes in and the first RFU trustee has just registered a YES vote

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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2025 at 09:32
A small number of responses so far but of the 38 who have done so, less than 10 percent trust the RFU. It says everything! Lets get the numbers of responses above a 100 at least ......

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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2025 at 11:33
I do not trust the RFU, in its current guise, they are self serving and do not have this beautiful game in mind. They are looking out for number one - themselves that is - none of their actions, to date, have proven otherwise. Now big Bill has come along and is already showing that he just wants to be a part of the cabal and look after their own self serving agendas. 

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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2025 at 08:28
That Castleparkknight is pretty much the nub of the problem.

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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2025 at 09:14
Good piece in the Times exposing the RFU's hypocrisy over misinformation.......the Times has uncovered that the £900k that the RFU mouth pieces quote as the cost of replacing coaches is at least £1m more as the Leicester Tiger accounts disclose the £1m that the RFU also paid to acquire the services of Borthwick and Sinfield.

The Times is also withering in its condemnation of the RFU's charade of the two Bill's tour of the clubs


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Posted By: greenpower
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2025 at 09:27
and dont forget the vast amounts of money wasted on producing  the current national  team  who can count themselves lucky that there are two worse teams in the six nations  wales and scotland


Posted By: JZSmith
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2025 at 12:36
Originally posted by greenpower greenpower wrote:

and dont forget the vast amounts of money wasted on producing  the current national  team  who can count themselves lucky that there are two worse teams in the six nations  wales and scotland

I suspect you meant Wales and Italy?


Posted By: greenpower
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2025 at 14:57
alright  maybe  a bit harsh on the jocks  wales and italy then  


Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2025 at 10:28
47 respondents so far .....3 trust the RFU 44 don't trust the RFU ..........direction of travel is clear. It would be good to get 100+ responses

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Posted By: JZSmith
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2025 at 11:00
Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

47 respondents so far .....3 trust the RFU 44 don't trust the RFU ..........direction of travel is clear. It would be good to get 100+ responses

I am rather concerned Eddie. Has medical assistance been provided for the three?

(Or maybe directions to the nearest opticians to help them distinguish between the voting buttons?) 


Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2025 at 11:31
Well JKS you are right to be concerned. Similar straw polls from around the world regarding the trustworthiness of dubious politicians, organisations and countries revealed the following:

Do you trust Donald Trump?    Yes 52% No 48% 
Do you trust Kim Jong - Un?    Yes 82% No 18%
Do you trust Keir Starmer?      Yes 41% No 59%
Do you trust the BBC?             Yes 50% No 50%
Do you trust Russia                 Yes 36% No 64%

With trust in the RFU currently hovering around 6% (in this far more rigorous poll) as an organisation the RFU has a bit of work to do............best get those £5k a day management consultants in to do a bit more spinning




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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2025 at 13:12
Do you trust random Polls?

Nah.


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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2025 at 14:26
Kimbo my last comments re Donald, Kim and Keir etc were in jest. However the poll on whether members of the Rolling Maul forum trust the RFU is a serious attempt to gauge the mood amongst rugby people. I know this is a small sample size but the poll is being responded to by people who are seriously interested in club rugby in England.

I have put up such polls in the past and from memory generally such polls have registered about 25% to 30% support for the RFU. For the RFU's level of trust to only be at 6% in this poll shows how far such trust has declined.

The RFU apologists will say that less than 50 responses is pathetic and means nothing. I disagree.....there is a groundswell for radical change with apparently some 200+ clubs having no confidence in the leadership of the RFU which shows the level of discontent.

I suspect that the 94% of RM poll responders who have so far expressed their lack of trust in the RFU is likely to be a representative view of those who have properly thought about the matter


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Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2025 at 14:58
I can’t believe 3 have voted yes.


Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2025 at 15:18
Originally posted by Rothman2 Rothman2 wrote:

I can’t believe 3 have voted yes.
Neither can I, but my disdain for random Polls remains.


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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2025 at 15:53
Originally posted by Rothman2 Rothman2 wrote:

I can’t believe 3 have voted yes.

Perhaps they work for the RFU? Although having said that I do know some RFU employees who are deeply upset with King Billy's bonus at a time that some of their hard working colleagues have been made redundant.

For what its worth here are 10 reasons (I could list a lot more) why I do not trust the RFU and directly beneath these 10 reasons all the reasons why in my opinion I should trust the RFU. 

If I have any of my facts wrong I will be happy to correct this post (although such corrective information may not on its own change my mistrust.......once the trust has gone it is very, very difficult to restore)

10 reasons why I do not trust the RFU

1. The byzantine governance structure of the RFU is opaque, breeds mistrust and is very heavily loaded in favour of the RFU Executive
2. As far as I can deduce from various constitutional documents I have looked at, the Board of the RFU appoints the members of the Board of the RFU (enabling cronyism at its absolute worst) how can this possibly be allowed ?
3. The RFU Council which used to be the 'oversight watchdog' appears to have absolutely no power being only able to rubber stamp the decisions made by the Executive 
4. The pay and rations for the Executive does not seem to be based upon any common sense measure of performance.  The RFU Executive have paid themselves significant bonuses in a time when the game and their own staff are suffering
5. The vast majority of the RFU's resources (which in reality are the resources of all 1600+ rugby clubs in England) are very clearly skewed to the elite game and just 10 out of the 1600+ clubs
6. The RFU play fast and loose with the league structures below the Premiership and often do not even set out the rules re promotion and relegation until the season is nearly over.
7.The RFU cut the funding of Championship clubs from £650k pa to £150k pa so they could maintain their ridiculous funding of the 10 hugely loss making Premiership clubs. Now the RFU wants these 2nd tier clubs to fund significant infrastructure improvements to remain in the 2nd tier. You couldn't make it up!
8. The RFU seems to be happy for one of Worcester Warriors/Wasps or London Irish to return to the league structure at level 2 even those 3 clubs have previously gone spectacularly bust leaving creditors unpaid and previous insolvencies have required clubs to go to the bottom of the pyramid.
9. The RFU has cut virtually all funding to clubs below level 2 whilst enriching those at the top of the game.
10. Recent coverage in the media suggests that the RFU Executive uses spin, deflection and external experts to justify its unacceptable, unfair and undemocratic behaviour.

Reasons why perhaps I should trust the RFU

I cannot think of one reason why I should trust the RFU. If anyone can please do let us know, I am sure those viewing Rolling Maul will be genuinely interested. It would be good to understand the view point of the 3 posters who have said they do trust the RFU. 

If any of the three such responders are to provide some insight on here it would be helpful in furthering understanding, perhaps they have some direct experience that supports their view and I for one would be pleased to hear such views. Accordingly I believe it is fundamental that their point of view is respected and not denigrated .....no one is going to post such a comment if they are going to get a barrage of vitriolic abuse.


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Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2025 at 16:04
Maybe not even that. Maybe there are people “avvin a laugh” as they say. I’m all for having a laugh but this subject isn’t one of them.


Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2025 at 16:07
Originally posted by Rothman2 Rothman2 wrote:

Maybe not even that. Maybe there are people “avvin a laugh” as they say. I’m all for having a laugh but this subject isn’t one of them.

Rothman2 I presume your comment is in relation to the 3 voters who trust the RFU?


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Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2025 at 18:25
Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

Originally posted by Rothman2 Rothman2 wrote:

Maybe not even that. Maybe there are people “avvin a laugh” as they say. I’m all for having a laugh but this subject isn’t one of them.

Rothman2 I presume your comment is in relation to the 3 voters who trust the RFU?


Sorry Ed. Absolutely I mean the three who voted yes. Apologies for any misunderstanding. I agree with everything you have said. I don’t trust the RFU and haven’t for 25 years or more. Nothing will change until the old guard are cleared out and replaced by people who have interests in the whole of Rugby and not just the England team or the Premiership at heart.

There are many historical references I could post but, suffice to say, the RFU are not fit for purpose. How they can even contemplate restructure at this time is beyond me and the situation will not improve until EVERY club outside the Prem stands up as one and demands change.









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