Round 5 Officials, Team News, Scores
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Topic: Round 5 Officials, Team News, Scores
Posted By: corporalcarrot
Subject: Round 5 Officials, Team News, Scores
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 07:07
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Championship Match Officials Hartpury vs London Scottish Coventry vs Doncaster Knights Jersey vs Nottingham Bedford Blues vs Newcastle Falcons Cornish Pirates vs Ampthill Yorkshire Carnegie vs Ealing Trailfinders http://hartpuryrfc.co.uk/rfc-news/morris-named-for-championship-debut-versus-exiles/" rel="nofollow"> ------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
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Posted By: Paul Rossborough
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 07:14
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I notice that in the main, we get the same pool of officials at Cov (Gregory Garner crops up a lot), whereas some of the others come nowhere near us (I dont blame them). Are they allocated to matches based on geography? ------------- All views expressed are my own |
Posted By: Guinness John
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 10:11
We have a television match official tomorrow. Can't think where there is a t v though, maybe someones phone might be available  ------------- Bedford Blues Supporter of the Year 2010 - 2011 |
Posted By: Whistle watcher
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 11:04
This Greg Garner is from Leicestershire, but Nigel Carrick travels from Suffolk and our referee from Surrey, so not entirely based on geography. I can tell you from personal experience that the RFU referee department doesn't have a map of Great Britain to check such things.
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Paul Rossborough wrote:Posted By: Whistle watcher
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 11:07
Yeah - Sky Sports Arena - 3.15. David's fairly local to you though..
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Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 12:23
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COVENTRY RUGBY TEAM TO PLAY DONCASTER KNIGHTS Greene King IPA Championship Round 5 Butts Park Arena Saturday, November 9th, 2019 Kick off 3:00pm 15 James Stokes; 14 David Halaifonua, 13 Heath Stevens, 12 Rory Jennings, 11 Max Trimble; 10 Will Maisey, 9 Tom Kessell; 1 James Gibbons, 2 Joe Buckle, 3 Gareth Denman, 4 Nile Dacres, 5 James Voss, 6 Adam Peters, 7 Luke Wallace, 8 Ryan Burrows (capt) 16 Scott Tolmie, fr2 17 Luc Jeannot, fr 18 Phil Boulton, fr 19 Senitiki Nayalo, 20 Jack Ram, 21 Pete White, 22 Will Owen, 23 Tony Fenner |
Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 13:14
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 14:05
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Ealing Trailfinders team to play Yorkshire Carnegie on Sunday 10th November at Emerald Headingley Stadium: Not sure what to think of this lineup. I really dislike David Johnston at fullback. He has ghosted a lot of tackles at 13, so at 15 with him on an island...not sure. Excited to see Elijah Niko, who looks like a unit, but most excited to see Lewis Jones at 13. Jones is an excellent servant, and has been solid for years. Finally, I like Durutalo at 7. Jordy Reid has looked a bit off-form to me, with his jackalling having fallen off, and his running has often seemed to involve just diving at the ground. Hopefully Durutalo's 7s legacy will help bring the off-loading game back to life. 15 David Johnston 14 Elijah Niko 13 Lewis Jones 12 Harry Sloan 11 Reon Joseph 10 Craig Willis 9 Nathan Fowles 1 Will Davis 2 Matt Cornish 3 Craig Trenier 4 Ben West 5 Harry Casson 6 Kieran Murphy 7 Andrew Durutalo 8 Rayn Smid © Replacements: 16 Alun Walker 17 Jake Ellwood 18 George Davis 19 Sam Dickinson 20 Jordy Reid 21 Oli Robinson 22 Craig Hampson 23 Tommy Bell |
Posted By: The Joy of (Level) 7
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 15:47
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Gerg, Although it’s early days it appears from afar that Ealing haven’t hit their straps yet. I’m guessing that this has surprised a few people but would you agree and has it come as a surprise to you (or other Ealing posters)? ------------- TJOS |
Posted By: oneagainstthehead
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 16:22
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Posted By: The Joy of (Level) 7
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 16:44
 I don’t know anything about Ealing’s squad, hence my question. It was more of a general question rather than asking for views on individual players.------------- TJOS |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 18:20
I am massively surprised. They had seemingly good recruitment, low squad turnover, and a huge amount of training time. I expected them to hit the ground running and dominate. Instead, players have underperformed, and some have been left out of the squad without reason. |
Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 19:12
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Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 20:14
I’m sure there are reasons gerg_561. Just reasons that you and the rest of the supporters haven’t been told, so that other clubs can’t plan for them until the simultaneous announcements at noon on Friday. The same applies everywhere. At Coventry we tend to be told who is out injured for over a month, and certainly who is out for over two, but it was only announced today that one player was back in training who played last week. |
Posted By: Fat Albert
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 13:49
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Ampthill's squad for Pirates shows a number of changes, 5 up front, 3 in the backs and 5 on the bench 15 Lynch, Karim 14 Asiedu, Kwaku 13 Anderson, Cameron (dr) 12 Hanks, Sam 11 Baker, Nigel (Sam) 10 Costelow, Sam (dr) 9 Veenendaal, Darryl (Capt) 1 Christie, Ben 2 Blackmore, Syd 3 Collins, Matthew 4 Johnson, Billy 5 Kerry, Shay 6 Dominguez, Facundo 7 Bercis, Joe 8 Hudson, Sam 16 Ward, Dave 17 Tonga’huiha, Soane 18 Lutui, Aleki 19 Williams, Henri 20 Molitika, Maama 21 Barrett, Kevin 22 Grimoldby, Louis 23 Waters, Mikey ------------- a Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother |
Posted By: Trailfinder
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 14:49
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Ealing's early league form has been a big surprise for pretty much everyone. The settled squad after a tumultuous start to last season plus finishing 2nd, 2nd, 3rd over the past 3 seasons suggested that we might be able to go one better this year. The fact we fell over at the first hurdle against Pirates and then stumbled again at home to Coventry suggests something is remiss (not taking anything away from those two excellent sides). I have concern regarding selection and squad rotation, it appears that we stick with the same team until there's a bad performance then we switch half the team, where it remains settled until the next bad performance. Not sure that is the best way to manage a squad where most players feel they should be starting each week. Especially in the 9, 10, 15 positions. I was also concerned to hear Jimmy Lowe's was mouthing off during the Pirates game, not a good sign imo. |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 14:59
Last year I would have said that the squad selection was almost 100% Ben Ward. He wasn't perfect, but he got better as the year went on. I don't know what influence Jimmy Lowe is having, but results say nothing good. I agree 100% with Trailfinder's analysis in terms of the strange approach to selection, with the added proviso that Ben Ward seems fascinated with David Johnston despite all indications that he is a net negative in almost every game due to poor tackling and lack of pace. The other strange thing this year is that they don't seem to be able to land on 9/10 pairings, which is disrupting the entire attack. Once again, almost an embarrassment of riches (for the Championship) seems to be causing Ealing to play as less than the sum of its parts.
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 15:10
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Cov 0-3 Doncaster ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 15:23
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Cov 5-3 Doncaster Donny YC ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 15:40
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Cov 8-3 Doncaster ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: geralltrugby
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 15:42
| Maybe a product of the “good work” done by Buckland! Whoever recruited him with his reputation needs shooting. I know Lowes had some unusual ideas when it comes to Union tactics. Made Leeds a good side to watch for the neutral but a shade more pragmatism at times may have delivered better results. Interested to see how Ealing shape up under him. |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 15:43
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Cov 8-6 Doncaster ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 15:48
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Cov 8-6 Doncaster HT. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 16:22
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Cov 11-6 Doncaster ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Dan Gleebles
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 16:25
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Flood a lucky man, 2 possible yellows? 3-0 Blues. HT |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 16:25
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Cov 18-6 Doncaster ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: TAS63
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 16:26
| Blues 3 Newcastle 0 at HT. Spiky just about covers it .... lots of "hugging" at the end of the half, and the Newcastle 3 in the bin for a sit down to consider the error of his ways. |
Posted By: TAS63
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 16:26
| All Blues first half I should say. Down the slope and with the rain... let's see how the momentum goes 2nd half. |
Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 16:27
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How Toby Flood has escaped without a yellow for arguably 2 straight red offences with a TMO I will not know. Even 2 yellows he’d be off. HT Blues 3-0 Falcons |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 16:45
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Cov 11-6 Doncaster FT ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: TAS63
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 17:22
| Blues 6 Newcastle 11 at FT. Newcastle maul worked better than the Blues one. |
Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 17:36
18 - 6 |
Posted By: Bluesman11
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 18:05
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Is anyone able to explain how Toby Flood lasted 80 mins on the pitch? Shambolic and indefensible for the TMO. Understandable how a ref can miss something in real time but absolutely no excuses for the TMO. Blues paid for not turning their first half dominance into points, but I think the better team lost. Falcons took the maul try opportunity they had, blues spurned theirs and that ultimately was the difference. ------------- Championship Prediction League Winner 11/12 |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 18:08
Yes, I know Nick. I pasted the (copied) previous score, and was then disrupted by plonkers forcing their way past, and then forgot to change the Cov total when I finally got back to posting. Mea culpa ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 18:29
Totally agree! We should’ve been 8/10 up at half time, as we missed our opportunities but Newcastle should’ve had a red and probably a 2nd yellow in the first half 12 penalties to 1 and most in the 22! Pleased we got the penalty and the bonus point but it could and should’ve been a different game with Falcons down to 13 for 50 mins. |
Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 19:40
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Horrible conditions at the BPA. Had it not been for the AGP the match might well have been flooded off. Had it been played on grass that would have been the pitch ruined for the season. Four of my five layers are damp through! It was a win against a team who have given us a very hard time at the BPA, as well as, until late last season away. Not an easy win. |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 20:50
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 21:11
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Given the conditions a decent match at St Peter. Jersey had the stronger scrum & bench but Notts lineout and defence as good as I've seen this season. The Notts Fly half was brilliant behind a pack going backwards but the Jersey half backs were ponderous and missing the X factor in the threes. Two well matched sides and the playing surface was first class. Clarey at tight head for Jersey would have given Sam Lockwood a decent game and should play a league higher next year. 4-0 in league points probably about right due to the late Notts yellow cards but 4-1 either way the real measure of the two squads imo. Deserved a bigger crowd but weather really naff. Off to Amps next week. ------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 21:18
You watch Temm will be cited for punching Flood (Actually thought they’d reverse the penalty), yet Flood who nearly decapitated 2 Blues players will walk free!
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Posted By: Guinness John
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 21:28
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The absence of a big screen possibly had some effect on the decisions. If it was wrong hopefully the citing officer will sort it out. At last a truly spirited show from the Blues, Defences won the day on both sides. A real rugby game, none of this fancy running stuff!! ------------- Bedford Blues Supporter of the Year 2010 - 2011 |
Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 21:33
What I do not understand is that there are small screens in the technical area that a referee could come over and see if really needed. However everyone (those in the crowd armed with SkyGo) except the TMO (a qualified referee) could see they were at least yellow if not red offences. Don’t really care about a citing, would’ve preferred the 4 points, which would have been more likely.
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 22:38
If, as you intimate, Temm punched Flood he should be cited and suspended - totally unacceptable these days irrespective of Flood's actions. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Guinness John
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 22:42
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Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2019 at 22:55
Watch the incidents, turns out having just watched the re-run it was more of a slap, after almost having his head snapped off his body! About 10 mins in. Coulson just got a shoulder straight to his nose/forehead, but wasn’t deemed to be foul play at all. Just on half time.
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Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 09:54
| Having watched it last evening I agree with others who say that it's incredible that Flood got away with it - twice! If he'd gone off, as he should, Blues may well have won the game. Very poor, especially from the TMO. |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 11:19
I quite agree, the on-field officials can easily miss the odd incident - but absolutely no excuse for a T M O. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 12:58
| Just watching the game, neck role by Flood, Temms head hits the floor first, Red card. |
Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 13:11
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Well presumably Flood will be cited and receive a ban,? ------------- Run with it |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 13:22
| On 40 minutes now, Floods shoulder straight to the head, Red card again |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 13:22
| Clearly big club bias |
Posted By: Fat Albert
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 14:56
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Pirates 0 Ampthill 3, 25 minutes gone ------------- a Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother |
Posted By: Fat Albert
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 15:08
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Pirates 12 Ampthill 3, 33 minutes gone ------------- a Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother |
Posted By: Fat Albert
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 15:24
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Pirates 19 Ampthill 6, ht, CP score 3 tries in the last 10 minutes of the half ------------- a Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 15:32
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Apparently YC 10 (1 try) - 19 (3 tries) Ealing after 30 minutes ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 15:53
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YC 13 (1 try) - 24 (BP) Ealing at the half Ealing playing with 14 for about 5 mins following a Harry Sloan yellow. |
Posted By: Fat Albert
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 15:59
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Pirates 26 (4t) Ampthill 6, 62 minutes played, Pirates down to 14 ------------- a Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother |
Posted By: Fat Albert
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 16:05
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Pirates 26 (4t) Ampthill 11 (1t), 67 minutes ------------- a Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 16:20
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YC 13 - 38 Ealing ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Fat Albert
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 16:21
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Pirates 40 Ampthill 11, 5-0, ft ------------- a Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother |
Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 16:22
| Pirates 40-11 FT |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 16:44
And Leeds capitulates with about ten minutes to go, shipping 4 tries to make the final score YC 13 - 66 Ealing FT.
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Posted By: Guinness John
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 20:23
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Have just found time to watch the Blues match. The only conclusion I can come to is that Mr Grasshof forgot the game was on tv for all to see. Absolutely terrible standard of officiating. ------------- Bedford Blues Supporter of the Year 2010 - 2011 |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 20:37
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Posted By: Fat Albert
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 21:31
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Pirates 40 Ampthill 11, https://www.ampthillrufc.com/cornish-pirates-40-1stxv-11-sun-nov-10-2019/" rel="nofollow - match report here ------------- a Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother |
Posted By: Geoff DC
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2019 at 23:49
| And Woll's version of events from a https://cornish-pirates.com/match-reports/cornish-pirates-ampthill-rfc/" rel="nofollow - Cornish Perspective |
Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2019 at 08:25
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E7MjHabJmU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E7MjHabJmU A proper loose head prop try. ------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: Stoo The Zoom
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2019 at 15:17
| Out of interest I enquired on Twitter as to the attendance at the Leeds v Ealing Trailfinders match on Sunday, I received one reply who gave an estimate of 300 to 400, not being there I accept this number but looking at the high lights on YouTube I feel the crowd looked a lot less. Does anybody have the official figure. |
Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2019 at 16:01
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Stoo. It looks emptier than when CoventrY went up recently, when the claimed crowd was about 600, and the on site estimates nearer 400. If it’s the Ealing highlights video, the problem is that there are no shots of the North stand near the centre line, apart from the front few rows. That’s where the ‘crowd’ largely sat. The really sad sight at the Coventry game there was that by the time the players formed their huddles at the final whistle the only spectators left in the stadium were under 100 Coventry fans behind their own bench. Not a Leeds fan in sight. |
Posted By: Stoo The Zoom
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2019 at 17:45
| The video is on YouTube and showed the North Stand in flashes, and gave an indication of crowd numbers., There were more at the Harrogate v Billingham game on Saturday. |
Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2019 at 20:16
| Well I doubt that there’s more than one video of that match on YouTube, so I suspect we’re talking about the same one. |
Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 11:24
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http://www.championshiprugby.co.uk/news/article/greene-king-ipa-championship-round-five-wrap" rel="nofollow - https://www.championshiprugby.co.uk/news/article/greene-king-ipa-championship-round-five-wrap RFU wrap ------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 16:24
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Interesting that Cov is now in the East Midlands. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 17:30
Also that we moved up to third place from a firmer third place. Who are these people? It’s a good job they don’t try to organise anything in a brewery. |
Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 07:50
Yeah, surely everyone knows it's up north...?
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 08:37
Anything north of the Watford Gap is north according to the southern softies in the big smoke.....and Coventry is welcome to be in the north if they so choose. Although I do recognise the Midlands so wouldn't want to detract anything from those folk who choose to be called midlanders. Although I sometime wonder about folk who wish to be called southerners.....barring folk from the South West of course who are unique and deserve the recognition ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 08:48
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 09:19
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Cov has batches. The East Midlands has cobs. And ne'er the twain shall meet. Now, Jersey? France? ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 09:21
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The East Midlands West Midlands split goes back to the the Danelaw. The West Midlands was the remant Christian Mercia. East Midlands was the pagan Vikiing Five Burgs of the Danelaw. The Southern part ofthe Danelaw covered Eastern Counties - who still proudly fly the Raven banner. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 09:30
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Or in modern term (in this area) the boundary is where Leicestershire and Northants abut Warwickshire (Watling Street for a goodly part, so fairly easy to spot). ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Bill Sley
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2019 at 17:54
About time too :-)
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2019 at 19:29
Nah mate. You need the competition to drag your bunch of under-achievers up by their bootstraps. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 14:42
Well Wasps can move so why can't Cov?
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2019 at 14:54
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We have. From the Butts to Coundon Road, and then to the Butts. The clue is in the name ;) ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Whistle watcher
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2019 at 11:52
i.e. Coventry.
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2019 at 12:17
Yes I rather worked that one out WW!
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2019 at 21:57
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He's a referee WEvans, and he lives in the posh half of 'incleh, so take no notice of anything he says. Ain't that right Sir? 😉 ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Whistle watcher
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2019 at 13:35
All true Kimbo. All too true. Especially the posh half bit.
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2019 at 14:24
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Yep, they'll let any bu99er in (except for a micro-pub that sponsors HRFC, it turns out). ------------- Our Club |