Re: Stadium For Cornwall Latest
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Topic: Re: Stadium For Cornwall Latest
Posted By: stadium
Subject: Re: Stadium For Cornwall Latest
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2019 at 17:34
| Pirates owner Dicky Evans announced today at the game on BBC Radio Cornwall that the land swap with Cornwall Council will go ahead next week and the Stadium construction will be complete by August 2022. In the meantime the existing ground at Mennaye will be upgraded to 10,000 to meet RFU criteria for Premier Rugby. Full BBC Radio Cornwall interview link available on Pirates Unofficial Forum. Further detailed information has now been posted on Cornish Pirates official website. |
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2019 at 21:40
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Great news for the Pirates about the new ground... Surprised to learn that there'll be further investment at the Mennaye. Promotion this season looks very unlikely, with Pirates having already lost three games more than Falcons, which would mean the best-case would be promotion in May 2021 and one season of top-level rugby at the old ground. A real statement of intent...
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Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2019 at 09:02
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Why spend all that money on the Mennaye for 1 or 2 seasons, surely money better spent on the squad, if they are serious about promotion, and ground share with a football club if Pirates get promoted?
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2019 at 10:41
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I would hope any changes will be done with temporary stands that can be hired for a season. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Insignificant Tick
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2019 at 10:57
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Not wishing to start another general ringfencing thread here but it must be a worry with all that planning and the rug could be pulled from under them some time soon. Is it a concern to the Pirates ?
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Posted By: stadium
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2019 at 11:32
| More likely they will expand Premier league to 14 teams.Safeguards Saracens Quins and Leicester who could be relegation candidates. |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2019 at 11:53
Unless the British & Irish league idea gets off the ground...
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stadium wrote:Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2019 at 13:28
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In which case I am sure they will want at least 13 English teams. They will support 14 if newcastle are not top of the Championship. CVC need to get its money back - if one of the 13 is not earning TV money then that costs CVC money. Which is why I think ring fenching is coming. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2019 at 18:16
Not this season though - hopefully never, otherwise the next Exeter might as well fold. If Premiership is ring-fenced at any number where does that leave the teams on the outside? I can guess that Championship clubs will lose a lot of if not all their RFU funding - they will need to go part-time or semi-pro as the N1 and N2 sides are. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Surreyben
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2019 at 16:33
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 19:26
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Read some fairly negative news https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/land-not-secured-first-stages-3886970?fbclid=IwAR3MWPFE7KHY-a2H63rVuDjTn5V_erhKUWVKtJWab-gGeVk9nECEmFbbmEY" rel="nofollow - https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/land-not-secured-first-stages-3886970?fbclid=IwAR3MWPFE7KHY-a2H63rVuDjTn5V_erhKUWVKtJWab-gGeVk9nECEmFbbmEY |
Posted By: JonDee
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 19:41
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Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2020 at 00:20
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[QUOTE=stadium]Pirates owner Dicky Evans announced today at the game on BBC Radio Cornwall that the land swap with Cornwall Council will go ahead next week and the Stadium construction will be complete by August 2022. In the meantime the existing ground at Mennaye will be upgraded to 10,000 to meet RFU criteria for Premier Rugby. Full BBC Radio Cornwall interview link available on Pirates Unofficial Forum. Further detailed information has now been posted on Cornish Pirates official website.[/QUOT Did this go ahead ? ------------- Ambition should be made of sterner stuff. |
Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2020 at 09:55
| No. The goal posts for promised government funding were moved and the land has now to be transferred again to a "community" group. That process in happening now. This is the frustrating thing about this process; every time we seem to have got over the line something else gets in the way. |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2020 at 17:09
What is the point in upgrading the Mennaye to meet Premier Rugby criteria? At present there is no likelihood of the Championship starting this season. Also does this mean the Stadium for Cornwall is years away from fruition? ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2020 at 18:02
| Raider 99 - the completion of the stadium depends on how long the funding takes to come through, I understand that it is being sorted at the moment. As soon as that is in place construction will start. My guess (and that's all it is) is a couple of years. |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2020 at 20:57
If it's only likely to be a couple of years to completion, then IMO money spent upgrading the Mennaye is a waste - surely they could ground share for a season should promotion happen in the interim - especially as Saracens will be the next team to be promoted whenever that happens. Of course if you mean a couple of years before funding is sorted then that is a different matter. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2020 at 22:35
The uncertainty is the killer. Money spent on The Mennaye isn't wasted as it will be a legacy for PZ and N RFC and Pirates Ams. Of course it doesn't need to be over the top because, as I understand it, upgrading The Mennaye to Premiership criteria would be almost impossible due to the constraints of the site. Maybe some dispensation would be sought to play a season there, if the unlikely happened and we were to be promoted, whilst waiting for the stadium to be ready (if it was actually under construction). Ground share would be problematical as there is nowhere in Cornwall that would be suitable (which is why the stadium is so desperately needed) so we'd have to go to Plymouth (or Exeter!). All pretty academic at the moment as there is no prospect of any rugby being played for some considerable time.
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Posted By: Surreyben
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2020 at 15:10
| Sadly Stalwart, the other issue here is we seem to be closer than ever to the Premiership becoming a closed shop which would bring into question just what sort of size any new Stadium for Cornwall would realistically need to be. As someone whose spent lots of time and money watching Pirates for years and being on the stadium journey from the start, it looks to be pretty grim at the moment. |
Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2020 at 16:04
One thing we can be sure of is that there won't be ring-fencing while Sarries are in The Championship. With rugby this season looking unlikely that gives a bit of breathing space. I reckon any attempt at ring-fencing would bring legal challenges so hopefully it'll be a while before they can bring it in. If it happens there may be other options for The Pirates - maybe Pro 14 or a breakaway from the RFU? Re the size of the stadium, the plan(as I understand it) is to start with the minimum needed for Premiership criteria and build on it from there as Exeter have done. We have to keep believing or we might as well shut up shop and give up altogether. Hope all is well Ben and you and yours are coping with this horrible year we're all having.
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Posted By: PlangentThrowback
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2020 at 08:41
| A legal challenge on what basis? PRL is a legal entity in its own right and perfectly entitled to set its own rules for entry. If it goes it alone separate from the RFU or plays a tournament with the Pro14/16 that's down to it. Just so long as it is not directly connected with the RFU and its league structure. After all, Formula 1 is a standalone competition without promotion or relegation, teams can join if approved or leave if they want and there's no legal action from Formula 2. |
Posted By: Capt Sparrow
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2020 at 19:52
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if you haven't noticed formula one is dying because there is no excitement any more due to the dominance of merecedes. i used to watch it but can't be bothered anymore just watching a procession all the time. |
Posted By: PlangentThrowback
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2020 at 08:10
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Formula 1 has always been dull as far as I'm concerned but it had income of over $2Bn last year and made a profit. Rugby would be happy 'dying' like that. But that wasn't my point. Formula 1 is separate from any other competition in motorsports and competitors in others have no basis for legal action because they don't have a right to join it. The Premiership could easily operate on the same basis and not be subject to legal challenge simply because others had no automatic right to join.
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Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2020 at 09:25
I admit I didn't realise that the Premiership was not affiliated to the RFU in any way. If that is the case I don't see why we've had this wrangling over promotion and relegation for so long - why haven't they just said "You're not joining our cartel"? Do they not get funding from the RFU and are they not subject to limitations on foreign players etc?
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Posted By: PlangentThrowback
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2020 at 11:31
Read what I said above.
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Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2020 at 13:26
| I see, so a big "if" it goes it alone. So, if things stay as they are there could be a legal challenge, if they try to ring fence. If they break from the RFU, the Championship would be the top tier in a manner of speaking - so maybe the RFU would treat it a bit better. |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2020 at 14:12
Indeed and the RFU can say we are not picking any of your players for England which would make clubs think twice.
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Posted By: Count Ford
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2020 at 18:56
Can PRL do that currently without the approval of RFU or breaking their current contract which runs until 2024? The 8 year professional game agreement was signed in 2016 so the PRL can't get rid of promotion without the RFU agreeing. One interesting point is...on the last 4 years of the deal (2020-2024) the PRL clubs would get part of their funding based on the financial performance of the RFU. Obviously at the time they didn't expect the poor financial management combined with a pandemic |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2020 at 19:28
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Just read that BT sports contract for Premiership rugby ends in summer of 2021. It also says Sky are backing off coverage of rugby - based I think on the fact they didn't bid for the Autumn cup matches? This doesn't leave Premiership in a good place IMO. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2020 at 10:36
| But Amazon have come in and their pockets are deeper than Sky’s! |
Posted By: Deva Delinquent
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2020 at 11:14
And if you're savvy enough you can get access to Amazon for free. No chance of that with SKY.
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Posted By: Camp Freddie
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2020 at 11:27
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I understood the Amazon bid was four times higher than the next closest so it should be a no brainer. How do they contol it in clubs, whats to stop me connecting my laptop to the television and running my Amazon Prime account through it on a Saturday ? ------------- The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom. |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2020 at 12:01
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You would be breaking the terms of your contract and would be subject to whatever penalty is included in the small print. For Sky, if your accout included being shown on a big screen, they show a beer class on the bottom of the screen. But that is just there to reassure whoever is watching that the pub is a good boy and the landlord is not going to get fined. They know which premises they have sold a licence to, and if they can get proof you are showing their content in a public place without permission, they can take you to court. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2020 at 12:54
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I think the point is CQ how would they know? I'm Amazon Prime member, I can watch on my Smart TV, Laptop and Smart Phone, I can cast from phone and Laptop to any device that will allow me to. Amazon aren't that bothered if you are showing their paid for presentation because you'll have to watch their advertising. Sky and BT want everyone to subscribe, Amazon want you to a buy an ornamental Harris Hawk from Kowloon Industries! ------------- Crouch, Bind, Tweet! |
Posted By: Bombay Duck
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2020 at 15:26
| Kodi box can get the lot! |
Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2020 at 15:44
What's wrong with an ornamental Harris Hawk? Mine looks great in the garden!
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2020 at 19:34
friend of mine tried to use his BT Sport to get the Prem Cup final from his iPad onto another friend's TV (not a pub), I think via Apple TV, and 'computer said no'... not sure of the technical details. We just shamed the host into getting his credit card out!
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Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2020 at 20:31
| This has gone a bit off topic! |
Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2020 at 11:20
| Only a bit?????? |
Posted By: stadium
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2021 at 10:57
| Lidl have paid £2.1 million towards the funding of the Stadium in return for building a supermarket on Truro City football ground. Cornish Pirates own Truro City Football Club. |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2021 at 11:37
Good news for the Pirates and the Stadium. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: OLDALIKADOO10
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2021 at 18:36
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I assume Truro FC Will also play at the new stadium?
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Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2021 at 18:43
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This is my post from July 2019. Where does the £2.1 Million fit into the finances QUOTE
My understanding was that Truro were selling their ground for a supermarket new build and going to contribute some of the proceeds to the Stadium for Cornwall , their new shared ground. Did Dicky Evans buy the Truro ground to sell on to raise money for the S4C project . As the sale of Truro Football ground happened ?. When I tried to add up the various sources of funding previously from information gleaned from the Blog it was...... I asked the question about funding and the blog shows this detail Truro and Penwith College £2.m Cornish Pirates £2.m Truro City FC £2.m Private sector borrowing £2.m Greenwich Leisure Ltd (GLL). £0.3m Total £8.3m This leaves a funding gap of £6m. This will be made up by £3 Million from Cornwall council and the Government the other £3 Million. You did shoot me down and said the sums were wrong but they did come from the Blog you directed me to !. ------------- Ambition should be made of sterner stuff. |
stadium wrote:Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 11:29
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I recently contacted my local MP (St Ives Constituency) about the promised government funding not being forthcoming. His reply was interesting . ""Dear David You are quite right. Last summer the Government invited the Local Enterprise Partnership and Cornwall Council to put forward priorities for funding and these two organisations refused to include the Stadium for Cornwall. I was obviously furious about this as were the partners. As a result Cornwall Council took it on itself to do more work on the business plan so I can not tell you were it is now. The Government still want to deliver the stadium but the approach to funding is for local communities to identify funding priorities so the battle continues! Kind regards, Derek Thomas MP For West Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly (St Ives)" This obviously begs the question, why did the LEP and the Council refuse to include the stadium when invited to put forward priorities for funding? I'd like to know who, exactly, on the LEP and Council made this decision. They seem quite happy to throw millions at the Hall For Cornwall, Eden Project and other projects but don't see the stadium as a priority. Unbelievable. It was an obvious "shovel ready" project. Presumably if they'd included it when asked, the funding would have been forthcoming and the building well underway by now. The sale of Truro City's ground is a major step forward and will, hopefully, mean the first phase will get underway before too long. It would seem that the most likely scenario will be that a smaller stadium will be the first phase and it will be expanded to premiership rugby standard in the next phase (whenever they might be). It's generally accepted that The Pirates can't move forward until the move to Truro is made, as we are unable to attract big enough crowds, on a regular basis) in Penzance to make Championship rugby viable in the long term. We have a very high quality squad at the moment, and the team were looking very good before lockdown scuppered the season. It felt like we were not far off being able to make a genuine push towards winning the league. Unfortunately, as with many other Championship clubs, the Premiership are circling and have already enticed away one of our outstanding performers with Kyle Moyle going to Glos. If we can get the stadium underway (after 10 long years of trying) we have a better chance of holding on the players like him as we push for promotion.
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Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 13:29
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David a good rugby friend of mine is based in Cornwall near Penzance. One of the strengths of Cornish rugby has always been the partisan pride in each of the individual clubs in the county. In talking to him he mentions that in his discussions with more diehard locals -he relocated from London 15 years ago- a good number have said they will not travel the 30 or so miles to Truro and would rather watch rugby locally. Is this very much a minority view? |
Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 15:39
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Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 16:58
There is still a bit of that in Cornwall, but mostly amongst older people I think. I grew up hating St Ives and Redruth! But I really think things have moved on a lot over recent years. We have a very good relationship with Redruth and other clubs and The Pirates have made big efforts to include everybody when doing coaching sessions for adults and kids alike. We get a lot of people at Pirates games, on a Sunday, who support their local teams on a Saturday. When we had one season, at a temporary ground, in Truro the gates were much bigger. Then we had a few seasons at Camborne and gates were still very healthy. Of course there is still some jealousy that the Pirates have become the top club and there will always be a hard core who won't support us - and that's their right and choice. I personally know a fair number of people who have said they will go the new stadium, but won't travel to Penzance. The central location is the key - so everyone can get there fairly quickly from anywhere in Cornwall. It's obviously got its downsides for those of us who live in the PZ area and have grown up supporting the Pirates at The Mennaye, but we understand that it must be done if we are to have a long term future as a professional club.
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Posted By: newlynbucca
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2021 at 12:53
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I will back up Stalwart's points. The history is of parochialism, but for a good few years now the relationship between the Pirates and other Cornish clubs has been excellent. If you check, most weeks you will find a player or two 'on loan' from the Pirates to Redruth, which works brilliantly for both clubs. When we have been stricken by injuries, we have also borrowed the occasional Redruth player with every success. At clubs from lower levels in the leagues there is often a Pirates youngster. And of course a significant proportion of the present squad have been recruited from within Cornwall, including from PZ&N colts. Occasionally you can still meet the old attitudes - not too long ago
I asked someone in the Newport clubhouse whether he also enjoyed
watching the Dragons........... It's not just in Cornwall! So I suggest that the 'Cornish pyramid' works well with the Pirates at the top, in much the same way as the wider 'SW pyramid' works brilliantly with Exeter on top. Of course, we live on a long peninsula defining the geography for both, and perhaps that gives us a small advantage over other places.
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Posted By: isleonian
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2021 at 18:13
| Is the stadium open yet? I seem to have been reading about plans for decades? |
Posted By: Trailfinder
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 16:23
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/05/cornish-pirates-penzance-rfu-saracens-rugby-union-championship" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/mar/05/cornish-pirates-penzance-rfu-saracens-rugby-union-championship That crucial funding has not yet materialised and Evans has decided there is only one solution left. “I made a decision the other day … I’ll fund the stadium now. I’m going to leave a lot of money in my trust, and my son and daughter are on board, too. We want to copy Edinburgh. They opened a stadium the other day that cost £5.7m.” If his companies can be restructured, a usable facility – shared with Truro City FC – might even be possible in 18 months’ time for the 2022-23 season.
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Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 18:13
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Dicky Evans has been striving to get this stadium built for over ten years and has been given promises, by Cornwall Council and the government, of help with making it happen - all of which have been broken. His passion for the club is legendary and he is not the sort of man to give up - so this will happen, definitely.
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Posted By: Donnyknightfan
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 19:01
I hope Pirates get the Stadium built because I think they are the one team in this league that could get up into the Premiership and make a go of it. Ealing would be in dire straits if their backer pulled out. The way the RFU treat the championship is disgusting but it’s always been thus. Not surprised that the government have failed to deliver the promised funding for the project, they’re good at breaking their promises. I truly despair for the future of the championship. ------------- Donny Knights - best team in Yorkshire |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 19:19
To be fair I cannot see why the Government should fund the stadium - to do so would leave them open to numerous other places demanding similar treatment. Cornwall's county council on the other hand should support the initiative levying the people of Cornwall who will benefit. Saying that I hope it does get built for the people of Cornwall. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Isithalftimeyet
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 19:32
Absolutely fantastic. Huge kudos and what a facility for the wider community. Massive respect and good luck.
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 19:33
Dicky Evans for President of the AaarrghFU!
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Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 20:45
The government should be helping. David Cameron, a few years ago, said that if help was needed to get the stadium project over the line it would be forthcoming. If that promise was fulfilled Cornwall Council would then also put in some money. The government said they wanted shovel ready projects to kick start the economy - but for some reason the stadium, with planning permission in place and designs complete, doesn't count. So in the end it falls to Dicky Evans to carry the whole load.
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Posted By: stadium
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 09:35
| Boris Johnson when Mayor of London spent over £200 million of taxpayers money funding the upgrade of the Olympic Stadium and then leased it to West Ham Football Club at a peppercorn rent. |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 11:14
Much as I want to see the stadium built, I do not see why I, as a non-Cornish tax payer, should contribute to it. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 11:17
That was done to get the stadium in a state that encouraged bids for its use after the Olympics. Without it there would have been a white elephant with annual maintenance costs far exceeding annual income. Of course the real question should be - why wasn't it future proofed when originally designed and built. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2023 at 11:28
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https://cornish-pirates.com/rugby/statement-langarth-facility/" rel="nofollow - Statement: Langarth Facility :Cornish Pirates (cornish-pirates.com)
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Posted By: Geoff DC
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2023 at 16:01
| Some more of the Story on https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64397190" rel="nofollow - BBC Sport >> |
Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2023 at 12:35
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One very simple question to clarify things. Is the new proposed site for the new joint stadium at the same location as the previously proposed 'Stadoum for Cornwall'? And, as a follow-up. If not, what was this site previously used for?
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Posted By: *Stalwart
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2023 at 13:32
Same location - Langarth just outside Truro, right next to the Park and Ride. ------------- *Stalwart |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2023 at 11:27
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0dyp6q4" rel="nofollow - Interesting feature (7 mins long) on BBC Cornwall. As mentioned by both interviewees, more investment would be required, particularly in the pitch, b4 the Pirates could move there, with the initial focus being on getting ground built over next year-and-a-half in time for start of 2024/25 football season. Has there been any suggestion of a 'ballpark' figure for how much additional funding would be required for CP to make this move?
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