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Posted By: Camquin
Subject: Salary cap article
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2020 at 15:29
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http://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/latest-news/36230/national-one-in-conflict-over-salary-cap-reduction/" rel="nofollow - https://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/latest-news/36230/national-one-in-conflict-over-salary-cap-reduction/ ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2020 at 20:13
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Blooming amazing one of the clubs that over the years has totally overpaid now driving for cuts. If they cannot afford to pay don’t offer the wages. You don’t have to spend up to the cap after all if you believe everything you hear everybody pays hardly anything and are nowhere near the cap which we all know is a load of tosh ------------- So many Christians not enough Lions |
Posted By: paddym
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2020 at 22:01
| Unbelievable from the man who drove up money paid in Nat 2 and then again in Nat 1. |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2020 at 22:05
I seem to recall they went up on the back of 1 large sponsor - perhaps the money has run out? If so shame! ------------- RAID ON |
paddym wrote:Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2020 at 22:34
Exactly. The Salary Cap is a 'Cap' not a 'target'. If Chinnor only want to spend £150k on players, no problem, get on with it. If other Clubs stay within the cap but spend more than Chinnor they will probably finish higher in the league, which is obviously what Chinnor are worried about. ------------- All Knwoing All Seeing |
Posted By: Intouch
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 08:06
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Matt Williams has left Chinnor along with Ricky Khan this week, they are both joining London Scottish for the 20/21 season Dan George the head forwards coach went some weeks ago. Several players have also left this week and agreed deals with London Scottish for next season, including Nick Selway |
Posted By: dwinpenn
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 08:58
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Oh dear. Now what happens! ------------- Dave Winpenny "Confused and old" |
Posted By: All the Way
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 09:27
| Sounds like Chinnor wants to reduce it's salaries, but remain competitive by insisting all clubs do the same. |
Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 09:48
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It’s at times like these you see how deep the foundations are ------------- So many Christians not enough Lions |
Posted By: Intouch
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 09:57
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Very good Rabbie Vickers -Rectory homes -Chinnor - Foundation’s Very clever play that |
Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 10:41
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Especially when I wasn’t being that clever and only realised it now you point it out ------------- So many Christians not enough Lions |
Posted By: DGS Old Boy
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 10:51
Fully agree with Sid its a Cap something not to be exceeded and is a club's prerogative how much they allocate to a playing budget as long as the cap isn't exceeded. Another question is what happens to the clubs who have already signed up players in accordance with last seasons salary cap, they can't revise their agreements now they have been finalised. It's interesting that Chinnor are losing players and their coach, is that a sign they can not offer the same value contracts as last season? |
Posted By: The Falcon
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 15:02
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I have followed Rolling Maul for many years and observed many constructive discussions along with others not so constructive based on hearsay and half truths. I have watched silently as we have been criticised as we have come through the leagues for one thing or another and various rumours and speculation repeated . However this issue is of such importance that I do feel the need to inform the debate. Of course everyone is entitled to disagree but I would hope in these circumstances everyone is able to address the issues I raise constructively and stay away from personal attacks. I was Captain of Chinnor in the 80’s , have been its principal sponsor for some 25 years and been Chairman and President and Board member for a combined total of 12 years. I have come to accept and respect that all clubs have their own way of doing things and providing they comply with the rules and regulations then all is fair . Integrity is also important . Therefore in these extraordinary circumstances I have tried to start an honest debate on some fundamental issues and if there is an element of self interest in the proposals I would respectfully suggest that is no more than most of those that comment also apply . However believe it or not my approach is principally driven by a care of the whole game and how it will look in a year or two and going forward.
It is the case that this situation we find ourselves in is unprecedented and already has caused more instant economic and social disruption than anyone thought possible. Apart from supermarkets ,Amazon and PPE manufacturers every business in the land has had to make savage cuts ,many temporary and many permanent including mine. I have been a Principal of a Company through three major recessions but have never seen anything like this. I do believe that it will not be as long lasting as they normally are but it is more instantly brutal and will require intensive thought and action if one is to survive. Unfortunately for some , nothing they do will enable them to withstand the sheer force of this and they will lose everything they have worked for. We do need to gain some degree of perspective therefore as at the end of the day this is just a game and we need therefore to apportion the degree of risk that we should sensibly bear. I am very fortunate to have a Board at Chinnor that are very experienced in commerce and we have carried out many permutations on budgets and in no scenario is there anything other than a massive reduction in income and I do not see how any other Club at any level could arrive at any other conclusion . Historically we have had a casualty between the Champ and the next three levels down of maybe 1 Club every 3 or 4 seasons where a club has over extended themselves in the quest for promotion .I fear that if Clubs do not make major contingency plans now then that number could multiply many times over within the space of 12-18 months. Indeed our current worst forecasts show two months of cancelled play but I am most rapidly coming to the conclusion that there is a significant prospect of no play at all in our Game which involves extreme personal contact and I fail to see how in the absence of a vaccine you can ask anyone to go and do battle. Such a vaccine is I gather many months if not a year or two away and regardless of the financial concerns of what the future might hold it is on that point alone we should be exercising extreme caution . Believe me when I say that the last thing in my mind is to try and level the field so that we might come top. Our principal aim currently as a Board is to ensure that we put no one in harms way and that we ensure the survival of our Club. I see that some Clubs are not proposing any cuts to their budget and whilst I wish them good luck I wonder how they might produce the revenue to support it as if by some slim chance we do start in September then lunch attendance will be tricky and even if rules permit crowds of tel:300-%201000" rel="nofollow - 300- 1000 , many spectators might not take the risk and if they do attend will they stay on for their usual beers after the game. And of course will it be fair to prevail on sponsors for their usual amount if they have laid people off and are struggling financially ? For the record the proposals also included that the salary cap should be mandatory with more than a slap on a wrist as otherwise there is no point in having it.We also asked that, as the Premiership have agreed , we do not recruit each other’s players at the same level for now albeit we have always sent players up a league with our blessing. We have already had several players being made offers by a couple of other clubs at this level . For our part we have taken measures that ensure we will be fine but we remain very concerned about what shape if any next season will be . Of course as part of those measures we will be reducing the amount we pay players and that has meant that if other clubs are maintaining their wage structure from this season they will be minded to move on . It appears Premiership and Championship Clubs are already looking to address their cost base and indeed across all of professional sport including football the debate and issue is being addressed. Why would National League Rugby be exempt from the storm that awaits? My proposals that were agreed in principle by many Clubs in Nat 1 were intended to help preserve in tact hopefully the whole of our league and below .Of course no one needs to spend more than they wish to and should not spend more than they can afford. We do know that the latter has happened from time to time in the past and I believe there are substantial risks of it happening over the next 12 months to many Clubs and that could change the landscape of a league that has many outstanding parts. We have greatly enjoyed our time in National 1 and made many new friends and renewed old acquaintances as well as contributing to the great spectacles we have all provided. I am proud of our achievements at Chinnor over the last 10 years and without these extraordinary events we would have been continuing with our aim of gaining promotion. I am most proud however of the fantastic efforts from the purely amateur side and the hundreds of minis and juniors that our volunteers have nurtured over the years and we must not put at risk that tremendous investment of effort. So for now our attention turns to prudence , health and safety and our ability to be able to start again when circumstances permit at all levels . After all there are far greater issues that we and the world are needing to deal with. Stay safe |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 15:14
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Clubs that have been propped up by 1 major sponsor are obviously going to suffer if the money stops coming in. It is far to late to change budgets for next season - many players will have contracts for next season which were signed before the Virus hit our sport - possibly even some of Chinnor's players. It is therefore far too late to change the budget for next season - but possibly time to get a lower budget cap agreed for 21-22 by agreement with other clubs. In the mean time it should be remembered this is a Maximum spend and nothing forces clubs to spend this amount if they want to reduce outgoings. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: dwinpenn
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 15:25
I know I am biased, but its hard to find a fault with the logic in Simon's posting. Clubs that have already signed contracts with employees (thats what they are after all) and state that there will be no changes are potentially going to push themselves to the edge even quicker. Rugby is no different to any other mass participation audience event and I would ask "Will you be flocking to Twickenham for the 6 Nations when there is no vaccination?" If you are, then let me know because you can have my tickets! ------------- Dave Winpenny "Confused and old" |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 16:11
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Obviously you are biased DWinPenn I remember going to games at Chinnor where the crowd was 250-300 (not that long ago) yet your budget was apparently 2 or 3 times ours - how - you were being bankrolled. Didn't hear you or you Chairman looking for budget caps then? What goes around comes around ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: DGS Old Boy
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 16:54
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Its interesting listening to the arguments regarding a salary cap, National one already has a salary cap which as stated earlier is exactly that, a maximum budget figure for the clubs and clubs can either pay to its maximum or not as they see fit. A major flaw in the system is how is the salary cap defined and policed? The current level was set in consultation with the clubs and the clubs were happy with it because it was set at a level that most of the clubs either couldn't afford to exceed or didn't want to so it is easy to police, however, if the salary cap is reduced there will be a number of ambitious clubs who will work around it and break it to attract the better players to give them an advantage, these clubs will be the ones who have a benefactor who is willing to "employ" players separately to the club they are sponsoring thus keeping that clubs playing budget below the salary cap, even with the current salary cap it is happening throughout the divisions resulting in those clubs going on to win promotion. Summing up it would be very difficult to police, and it would hand an advantage to those clubs who have the type of benefactor who is prepared to help them bend the rules. and at risk of repeating myself it is up to the clubs how much they want to allocate to a playing budget as long as they don't exceed the set salary cap levels, nothing is broken so nothing needs fixing!!! |
Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 18:41
But isn't the point being made now is that circumstances have changed and with it the need to re-evaluate the salary cap? ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 19:57
Things have changed, however if players have contracts then these are legally enforceable (should the players want to) - just because some clubs have no money it is not a reason to change what is already set in stone and agreed by all clubs. I can imagine Chinnor's response if this had been proposed last summer. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 20:29
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They would have ignored it as they did ------------- So many Christians not enough Lions |
Posted By: BFG1
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 21:51
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Think major issue is the fact Chinnor and others haven’t kept to the current cap. Why now would they keep to it? It must include all benefits of kind which some clubs that are proposing the cap haven’t. NCA couldn’t police current cap so no chance could police £150k cap It shouts to me now we don’t have loads of money we want everyone to spend the same! Leave the cap as is. It’s not a target you must spend. No different to 70mph speed limit. |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 22:23
Totally agree as I have already said ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: SKalpy
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 23:19
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But there is no salary cap. The RFU regs say that if you spend money on players then you have to declare how much. If it is over a prescribed amount for the level you are playing in then you will lose all RFU funding. So, in level 3, I believe that amount is £250K. If you declare that your club has spent more than that amount then you are no longer eligible for travel funding (for the peanuts what that is worth) access to RFU loans and grants, subsidised referees fees and the international ticket allocation. If your club wishes to progress beyond level 3 then I suspect you will be paying way over this amount. However, if your club does not have access to this amount of money, you do not spend it. Clubs may well have to adjust their aspirations because of the situation we are all in but that is their choice. Why should one club who foresees a problem suggest to other clubs that 'we are in the smelly brown stuff lads because we only have one major sponsor so you all have to spend less even if you have ten sponsors and it won't affect you as much'? |
Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 00:22
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Spend what you’ve got and if you get relegated then so what? It’s rugby at level 3/4 and to be spending £250k on it is just utter absurdity
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Posted By: BFG1
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 08:11
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You are right about lack of funding of over 250k but I bet said clubs who went over that didn’t declare it... Seen Cambridge and DMP have an article in rugby paper on this as well |
Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 09:49
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Just read TRP article and intuit amazing that a cut and draconian points deductions is being driven by 2 of the worst offenders of manipulating the system it’s almost laughable well done Richie Williams and Gary Law for saying it as it is. Know the Blackheath ex pres has also gone in print about the absurdity of this proposal. There will obviously have to be changes for next season when it eventually gets underway and I think most players are sensible enough to realise that but I see no need to reset everything to suit 2 clubs who have never played on the level playing field ------------- So many Christians not enough Lions |
Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 10:50
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Having just read the TRP article, I do agree that the proposal to scrap the current N1 salary cap is not driven by anything but self interest. A cap means 'up to' a certain amount. It is, as pointed out by numerous correspondents, a limit rather than a target.If clubs have less money, spend less. No one is making clubs import expensive players. If that means reduced performance, then that performance is all that club can sustain. We're talking relatively small sums of money for running a business here, after all. ------------- pappashanga |
Posted By: DGS Old Boy
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 10:55
 Fully agree BFG1, I'm under the impression that its only two clubs who have suggested this change is it because they are running out of money and are losing players to other clubs? |
Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 12:50
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Could be right! ------------- pappashanga |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 14:15
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In recent years a number of clubs have had budgets way in excess of £250k when playing in N2 - if you think they reduced their budget when they were promoted to N1 you are away with the fairies. I agree, it is a desperate attempt by clubs who suddenly cannot spend the amount they used to and knowing a lot of the players are with them for the money rather club loyalty rightly fear a drain of players to those who will pay ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Jester10
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 16:52
Spot on! I remember talking to a Member at a club Rams were visiting and he commented on how he didn't know any of his team anymore, they weren't even seen at the club other than on a Saturday. ------------- Enjoying life! |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 17:50
That as may be however, before Clive N replies, Rams were not one of the teams that sprang to mind when I posted. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 22:56
| I guess the cap does not apply to the relegated Championship club? |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 23:27
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I believe it does. But the only penalty is loss of travel funds and the subsidy on referees. Mind you YC officially had a budget of under £1m with £600k of that allocated to the Rugby Dept. for last season. That was with £600k of central funding. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 07:18
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I think YC had a budget considerably less than £1m . . . probably nearer the £600k, I dont expect people to be rushing into fund them! ------------- Run with it |
Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 08:06
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Ah ok, that makes sense. In that case a reduction would only benefit a wealthy club. Take money away from the poorer ones and the rich ones could afford to swallow the travel expenditure.
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Posted By: The Falcon
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 08:54
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So this will I assure you be my second and last post on rolling maul It is clear that almost all of you who have posted did not read my lengthy note Let me distill it for you Uk and the whole world have changed overnight There has been a global shock to the world economy Sport is a relatively inconsequential if enjoyable part of that economy Sporting finances have always been mainly on the wrong side of viable To begin with that will mean that revenue this season and beyond will be dramatically reduced for Clubs In the business world that means that with declining revenue you have to reduce costs or you go bust Why would rugby be any different ? Then there is the very real prospect of no Rugby being played at all this season without a vaccine- read the vaccine thread on rolling maul Please explain to me which part of this you don't agree with but rest assured I will not reply . I am quite busy ensuring my Rugby Club survives and trying to get my employees back to work.
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Posted By: Intouch
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 08:56
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This is a post I made on another thread, but same applies here, its slightly adjusted for this topic. I have pointed out a couple of clubs, it could have been many, so lets get this straight, Im not having a dig at them in anyway, Im pointing out what I can see are facts. Firstly If any club at National one is paying retainers at this point they really are delusional, reasons are below, its dead money and it could go on for years, but we know there are some clubs doing this. It does not matter if the salary cap is 1p or £100k people are missing the point. You have some clubs saying in the rugby paper that they are against a cut, no problems, but tell me why is that same club are all over "go fund me" and "fund raising pages" trying to get income for the club? Cambridge being the prime example. Yer yer we got £250k to spend it was sorted at Christmas, oh by the way can you all "pay your membership and season tickets early" ( there might be no rugby ) and/or our fund raising page is ...www....... and we are looking to raise £30k on top DMP is another, when the Tom Jones concerts get cancelled, if they have not been already, their income landscape will have totally changed, they might have been lucky and had these covered by insurance, but the day to day income of The Arena has gone for a long time. I really think the whole landscape of sport outside the top divisions of Football, Rugby and Cricket are in for a massive hard time, not just for one or two seasons either, for a very long time! Sponsors are not going to want to put money into a club when they are having to lay off their work force, what come first a few K into a rugby club or having an extra 2 people employed ? You tell me Mr Trailfinders will have the same budget for his rugby club after nobody has been away for 6 months than before, when Mr Branson is trying to keep him company afloat. I think that until there is a vaccine to this you will have no Rugby, not matter how long it takes! It's only my view but I cannot see rugby being played till we have a solution, therefore clubs will have no income! Let's look at what could happen. This Virus has accounted for 21k + deaths that are in hospitals alone, there is nobody in their correct mind that will take a risk over this. Not one club committee, not one D of R not one player. The death number is climbing and we don't have an answer to it yet, thats a fact, what we do know is its passed from person to person by touch, spit etc, where better to do that than on rugby field on a Saturday, or even better for 2 months pre season with a group of 30 players sweating, using the same water bottles etc So if the RFU says ok lets go back and play the game we all love. Two sides meet on a Saturday for a league game,unbeknown one player has COV19 or is carrying it. Lets say he's a forward and its passed on at scrum time, from one player to another. You now have 20 players from each side plus officials who now need to spend the next 14 days in Isolation ( so neither club has a side for the next 2 Saturdays) Move this one step on, what if a player dies from this having contracted COV19 this during a game, the law suit against the club and the RFU will be massive. More importantly, will a player risk his health by playing, you will not know that everybody you are playing against or with are clean. The last point, there is no way that the UK Gov will open bars at clubs when they have pubs shut, what is the difference between having a beer in a pub or at a rugby club bar, that just will not happen. Im sorry to say and I do hope hope I am very wrong, but club rugby below the Prem does not start till after we have a vaccine. There will be some very difficult choices that are going to have to be made by clubs very soon as they say we are 9/12 months away from getting a vaccine. So the "big" clubs with the we are alright jack, may well be ok now, but with no season ticket sales, no beer sold, no sponsorship money come in, because there is nothing to sponsor or companies just dont have any liquid cash,no 15 home game sold out lunches, so social events, nothing at all as the padlock is on the clubhouse, lets see what the end result is going to be. There is only so long that people are going to use a fund raising page and if there is no rugby this season and people have paid for their seasons tickets, they will want them rolled over to next! I think it will be a very drastic salary cap taken out of the clubs hands and imposed by the RFU because they don't want 50% or more of their club game going to the wall, and it will be Champ and National 1 and 2 clubs going to the wall, the grant they(RFU) have given, well if every club in the land thats in a league applies and are given it, it works our about £150 a club! Sorry but Champ, National 1 and 2 clubs really need to look at the bigger picture and try and see where they will be this time next year, if we have had no rugby for a season! |
Posted By: Jester10
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 09:01
Intouch. Well said, I agree with you that it's unlikely we'll see any rugby any time soon. I'd even go so far as to say 2020/21 season may not happen at all  ------------- Enjoying life! |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2020 at 19:24
The loss of rugby is a pain, but not as much as COVID-19. As you say, I cannot see any reason to start rugby until a vaccine is found. The loss of income for clubs is twofold, firstly rugby income - gate, bar, sponsorship but secondly the income from use of the clubhouse and grounds during the day and in the summer for corporate days, conferences, birthday parties and a host of other types. This is the income that will be truly missed on the assumption that rugby income covers players costs that are not now being spent, leaving the core overhead of the club infrastructure to be met met or considerably contributed to, from non-rugby sources which are now negated. Some clubs can meet this deficit from historic reserves, others not. ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2020 at 19:51
I think most clubs will find sponsorship heavily scaled back this coming season. I also think a number of clubs are already signing new players on - is that wise when the new season start date is still up in the air, I'm not so sure. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2020 at 08:47
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May be contracts will not be the case, but pay per play applied.
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2020 at 08:54
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Even if you only pay match fee, you still need a contract. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2020 at 12:15
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maybe we should go back to Amateur but what would happen to the crowds over and above loyal followers ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: front5
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2020 at 16:35
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Reading through this thread I have to say I on this occasion disagree with most, looking an an annual salary cap of £250k with a squad of say 40 players would mean an annual fee per player of £6,250, if you take into consideration travel, training 2 or 3 times per week. Along with potentially of injury and risk of being off work (the day job for non professional) it is a very low figure. Furthermore, if you take each club and say they have (for arguments sake) 3 players who are full time at £25K each it leaves only around £4.7k per player in the rest of the squad, there are a number of teams who travel on a Friday, meaning players take the day off, if this is 12 times per year they could be looking at either using holidays or taking unpaid leave for these days again at the players cost. I think it is a fair payment in truth looking at the above, and I would ask the question of any professional person, would they risk their day job income to turn out on a Saturday afternoon for our pleasure for what could be a couple of hundred pounds on a pay as you play basis
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Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2020 at 19:47
They did in the amateur days....... |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2020 at 20:16
Apart from the envelopes in their boots at the end of the game  ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2020 at 21:20
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A fiver in 1970 would be worth more than £150 today. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2020 at 21:37
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And the rest, in 1973 the shop I worked n the assistant manager earned £19 pounds a week, I as a junior earned £4 imagine how I felt in Jan 74 I joined the RN and got 100% pay rise to £8 a week, I thought I was a millionaire ------------- So many Christians not enough Lions |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 01 May 2020 at 10:33
Not to mention the free food and lodgings ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Longtime
Date Posted: 01 May 2020 at 10:44
And the wardroom rates. ------------- It pays to be wise after the event!!! |
Posted By: Guinness John
Date Posted: 01 May 2020 at 11:19
------------- Bedford Blues Supporter of the Year 2010 - 2011 |
Posted By: Saturnate
Date Posted: 01 May 2020 at 11:24
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I think the fag packet calculation is that money doubles in value every 10 years, so: 1970 £5 1980 £10 1990 £20 2000 £40 2010 £80 2020 £160 So £150 is about right, but not sure you should believe everything written on the back of a fag packet.
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 01 May 2020 at 12:33
I'm afraid you are way off. According to inflation figures £5 in 1970 would be worth £77.85 today - Camquin however was fairly close, benefit of being old perhaps ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 01 May 2020 at 13:25
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Actually I used https://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/ukcompare/relativevalue.php" rel="nofollow - https://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/ukcompare/relativevalue.php And was looking at the income equivalence. I was 6 in 1970 and saving up for Airfix kits which I remember being 5/- and now seem to be about £10. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 01 May 2020 at 14:05
£5 was equivalent to 40 pints in 1970 (2s/6d) - I'll let you do the maths 
Mind you, Mild was 1s/10d - so 11 pints/£1 = 55 pints ....... ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 01 May 2020 at 14:37
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So one night in the bar for most props.
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 01 May 2020 at 17:23
Problem is, everyone knows beer prices have increased by over the rate of inflation over the past 50 years. You have to look at total rate of inflation - not just one area ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Date Posted: 01 May 2020 at 19:37
| I expected that my post would get the "boot money" responses. But to be serious for a minute, in those amateur days the players gave it everything and injuries requiring time off work happened. So what is different? And it is not the ferocity of the game - the hits were equal when based upon the fitness and size of the players. Anyone fancy Pete Shillingford from Moseley tackling you in 1987? |
Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 01 May 2020 at 20:01
Full time? It’s the third tier of rugby!
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Posted By: front5
Date Posted: 02 May 2020 at 08:30
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Although we may not like to admit it rugby is changing and to attract the necessary talent to compete at this level players expect paying.
If we were talking the 3rd tier of soccer the average wage per squad player would be £3k per week. I know were a long way off but the game is developing and its going to become more prevalent in the future. |
Posted By: Fly Half
Date Posted: 02 May 2020 at 09:02
| Third tier of most sports get absolutely nothing but the enjoyment of playing. |
Posted By: front5
Date Posted: 02 May 2020 at 10:54
| Agreed however in most sports there may only be 3 or 4 levels and even at level 1 there is no payments. The same cant be said for rugby union |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 02 May 2020 at 11:41
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Most sports do not have the TV coverage and hence income rugby has. Though they might have Olympic funding but usually only for the national squad. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Steeltheone
Date Posted: 03 May 2020 at 18:29
| Funny how both these teams would of wanted an increase rather than a decrease this time last year. You can’t go round trying to buy a team. You have to bring local talent through your 2nds and 3rds because when it comes down to it they’ll be the ones there still playing if the money unfortunately dries up. Grassroots |
Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 03 May 2020 at 19:25
| I think front five might be in for a shock as the knock on effect of everything will see players at all levels getting much less |
Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 09:08
| The crunch time for many clubs will come when the Government withdraws furloughing it cannot financially keep it up for more than three months. If clubs cannot have large gatherings and cannot open their bars there will be zero income and in all probability physical contact will not commence until Xmas at least. Those clubs will have to cancel all contracts and moth ball their clubs until a vaccine is found . Many clubs will go under only those who are strictly amateur will survive on volunteer labour. Hoping the players will be there when they restart,. This will be the key to the future many players in their last two years of rugby could retire prematurely and others will simply go to play for their local clubs until everything is resolved. Every club with few exceptions relies on Sponsors who fund the club out of the own income created from successful businesses and they will be severely affected in the short term I think that the game will be altered and may be never to return the structure we had in the past. |
Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 14:23
I tend to agree, with major companies down sizing and a lot of small businesses predicted to struggle to survive, I cannot see many sponsors having money to support rugby clubs. Revenue down is going to mean either players salary drops or clubs will just close and that includes some very big clubs in the Premiership. |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 15:05
Outside of the Premiership how many players have contracts for more than 1 season? And of those I suspect the majority will be in the Championship ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 16:38
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Some in National league One have contracts of more than 1 year.
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 17:10
I didn't say none would, I just stated the vast majority would be in the Premiership/Championship ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 19:25
Worker bee furlough could be extended indefinitely. It all depends how a country wishes to operate it’s fiscal policy.
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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 21:28
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I would have thought that most players would be out of contract now as cut of tends to be 1st May in Nat 1 and restart in July for preseason ------------- So many Christians not enough Lions |
Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 07 May 2020 at 09:41
| It is not that the government would want to cut furloughing but how much can they continue to pour money into the Economy to keep it going. There will come a point when they will have to accept that certain jobs are not essential to the economy and scale back accordingly. They are not a bottomless pit and in reality all the money they are spending comes from our taxes so if we are not paying taxes then they have no money unless they borrow, so in the long run we will all have to pay from higher taxes or "Austerity" take your choice both will be crippling for everyone. |
Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 08 May 2020 at 23:51
There is a bottomless pit depending on how you operate your financials. People will still pay tax
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 09 May 2020 at 14:14
There is a bottomless pit? Excellent. That's the NHS sorted then. And the transport situation. And education. What's next?
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