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Topic: Rocheford Hundred - strange events
Posted By: marigold
Subject: Rocheford Hundred - strange events
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 15:28
So Rocheford Hundred spend a huge amount of money over the last 3 seasons securing promotion from level 7 to level 4. In the Rugby Paper today it is announced the Director of Rugby, Head Coach, Chairman, Secretary and Treasurer have all stepped down. Is an outside body looking closely at the last three seasons? or is it just a coincidence that the five key management personnel leave at the same time?



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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 16:35
https://www.rochfordrugby.com/news/club-update-2536846.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.rochfordrugby.com/news/club-update-2536846.html

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Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 18:11
I thought they stood down because of work interests or at least that's what I took from the Rugby Paper article. 

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Posted By: Hawky666
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 20:15
All at once? Enthusiastic employee‘s.


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 20:49
Originally posted by kingsheathlad kingsheathlad wrote:

I thought they stood down because of work interests or at least that's what I took from the Rugby Paper article. 


What they didn't have any to do?

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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 25 May 2020 at 22:13
When I read that thread title, I was expecting to hear the X-Files theme.

It does sound very odd that would happen at what should be their crowning moment.


Posted By: sidelined
Date Posted: 26 May 2020 at 12:42
Nothing to do with the link up with Sarries then?


Posted By: Intouch
Date Posted: 27 May 2020 at 08:11
Originally posted by sidelined sidelined wrote:

Nothing to do with the link up with Sarries then?

Sarries already have a massive feed into Old Albanians in that league, why would they want to spread what they have over 2 clubs playing the same level!


Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 27 May 2020 at 08:52
I think their interim chairman has explained things on their website. They have however recruited the Saracens academy coach so I would think there will be a link up with them 


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 27 May 2020 at 11:18
All coaches bring informal links with their old clubs. 

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Posted By: Wigwam
Date Posted: 27 May 2020 at 17:46
Originally posted by Intouch Intouch wrote:

Originally posted by sidelined sidelined wrote:

Nothing to do with the link up with Sarries then?

Sarries already have a massive feed into Old Albanians in that league, why would they want to spread what they have over 2 clubs playing the same level!

If it’s anything like the Quins approach they will barely see them anyway. 


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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 28 May 2020 at 12:56
Will they be any good?
Is a 17 year old academy player better than a 25-year old with Nat 1 experience?


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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 28 May 2020 at 13:42
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Will they be any good?
Is a 17 year old academy player better than a 25-year old with Nat 1 experience?


On the whole -no but they will be a lot cheaper, even if their availability is likely to be patchy - but you do occasionally get a gem

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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 28 May 2020 at 17:07
I would think anybody in Saracens Academy could hold their head up in National 2 South
I think they had 4 in England u20 last year


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 28 May 2020 at 18:36
Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

I would think anybody in Saracens Academy could hold their head up in National 2 South
I think they had 4 in England u20 last year


Quite, as I recall Leicester Lions had 3 England U-20 - DR from Leicester Tigers.

However a solid mid-20s N1 player would be as good if not better, dependant on position - certainly in the front row

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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 28 May 2020 at 18:37
Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

I would think anybody in Saracens Academy could hold their head up in National 2 South
I think they had 4 in England u20 last year

Leicester Lions had 3 England under 20's from Leicester Tigers, this season, availability was a problem though. James Whitcombe was announced as the leagues Young player of the season.


Posted By: stato
Date Posted: 28 May 2020 at 20:46
Having Academy players in your squad is hard work, firstly integrating them close to the start of the season, then having to see every week if they are available, potentially disappointing a member of your squad when they are selected instead of them  - my view is that they have to be stand out players to be considered. The hard thing is however, is it is vital experience for the young player, and there is a question to ask that for the good of the game, is it right they are given the opportunity to play at this level, as how else will they do it. Jacob Umaga has quoted how crucial playing at Nat 2 was for his development. 


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 28 May 2020 at 22:10
Originally posted by stato stato wrote:

Having Academy players in your squad is hard work, firstly integrating them close to the start of the season, then having to see every week if they are available, potentially disappointing a member of your squad when they are selected instead of them  - my view is that they have to be stand out players to be considered. The hard thing is however, is it is vital experience for the young player, and there is a question to ask that for the good of the game, is it right they are given the opportunity to play at this level, as how else will they do it. Jacob Umaga has quoted how crucial playing at Nat 2 was for his development. 


I think it's not so bad if tpyouyou need say a lock or a fly half and get one - however from experience yo get what you are given.

Yes, I'm sure there are problems when they are missing for 2-3 weeks then parachute in and are expected to be played - particularly if the side is on a winning run.

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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 29 May 2020 at 08:11
Tigers have in the past assisted with coaching, season before last Harry Wells assisted with forwards coaching, this season it's ex Tigers and now Nottingham prop Aniesko Sio is assisting(he did also play for the Lions for a season a couple of years back).


Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 29 May 2020 at 10:25
When Richmond was in N2 South, the incumbent prop told me that he was told that Sinckler was playing instead of him,'because he's better than you'. He said he didn't mind.

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Posted By: stato
Date Posted: 30 May 2020 at 21:02
They are often financially attractive for clubs - normally you dont have to pay Academy players as they are on a contract with the Prem club, whereas the person they are replacing would normally be paid x amount. However of course if you are a player missing out on pay because of an academy player coming in, you are entitled to be a bit annoyed....


Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2020 at 09:37
Originally posted by stato stato wrote:

They are often financially attractive for clubs - normally you dont have to pay Academy players as they are on a contract with the Prem club, whereas the person they are replacing would normally be paid x amount. However of course if you are a player missing out on pay because of an academy player coming in, you are entitled to be a bit annoyed....
Not true in my experience, players on d/r with us get an agreed match fee from us. I suspect it is knocked off their salary by their Premiership Club. The point is that it is no saving.


Posted By: French Connection
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2020 at 11:18
There is sometimes. When I was a DoR back there, some years ago we had players on loan from a Championship club and indeed had to pay them, but later we had three Academy players from a Premiership club and didn't pay them at all. The arrangement suited them as we were providing them with valuable match experience at N2. It depends where you get your players from.


Posted By: Welshie7
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2020 at 11:20
And Championship clubs pay the Premiership for their DR players



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