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Topic: This season
Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Subject: This season
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2020 at 10:25
Just for a bit of fun.  My view is a few friendlies only and league season declared null and void



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Posted By: Deva Delinquent
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2020 at 10:42
No option for the NCA's proposed cup competition? 


Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2020 at 10:56
Originally posted by Deva Delinquent Deva Delinquent wrote:

No option for the NCA's proposed cup competition? 

I just can't see that happening.


Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2020 at 16:03
It will come down to cost, why would clubs travel around the country and spend more money that they haven’t got for friendlies. It will all depend on getting crowds back as there will still be the matter of paying players & staff. Would friendlies attract spectators as I know even wit a free gate we don’t see hordes of people coming to watch, I assume it would depend on the opposition

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So many Christians not enough Lions


Posted By: stonehousealbion
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2020 at 13:10
It pains me to say it, but nada, zero, zilch, "rien de rien - on ne va jouer rien". 20/21 - the season that never was - but when it was most needed...

At best, a "season" that kicks off when belts are tightest and the weather is at it's worst is regrettably, a busted flush.


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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2020 at 14:22
Cambridge and Shelford are playing a walking / touch game I believe

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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2020 at 15:24
Clubs can play Ready4Rugby - a version of touch - between each other with up to 10-a-side under the current regulations, subject to local lockdown restrictions.


Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2020 at 10:03
RFU have advised clubs to revert to A on the road map so no rugby training at all.


Posted By: paddym
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2020 at 11:43
Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

RFU have advised clubs to revert to A on the road map so no rugby training at all.

When did this come out? Nothing in RFU website.


Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2020 at 12:12
Originally posted by paddym paddym wrote:

Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

RFU have advised clubs to revert to A on the road map so no rugby training at all.

When did this come out? Nothing in RFU website.


Last night .....look at twitter 


Posted By: MCNRY
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2020 at 16:44
Day 1 of Lockdown

Using Google Maps and Pivot Tables in Excel to work out average distance travelled for each club, Groups would be:

* denoted as National 1 Club

South 1

Blackheath*
Canterbury
Guernsey (providing travel to/from LGW permitted)
Old Elthamians*
Tonbridge Juddians*
Worthing

South 2

Barnes
Chinnor *
Esher
Henley
Rams*
Rosslyn Park*

South 3

Barnstaple
Clifton
Dings Crusaders
Plymouth*
Redruth
Taunton*

Central 1

Bishops Stortford*
Bury St Edmunds
Cambridge*
Old Albanians
Rochford
Westcliff

Central 2

Hull FC
Hull Ionians
Leicester Lions
Loughbourough Students
Rotherham
Sheffield Tigers

Central 3

Birmingham Moseley*
Bournville
Cinderford
Hinckley
Luctonians
Stourbridge

North 1

Blaydon
DMP*
Harrogate
Leeds Tykes*
Tynedale
Wharfedale

North 2

Caldy *
Chester
Fylde
Huddersfield
Sale FC *
Sedgley Park

Note, some may miss closer opposition but upon plot analysis of teams involved and mileage, this is the most economical for all as an entirety. Also pending confirmation all teams will take part.


Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2020 at 16:59
Would add the caveat that RFU fund proper cost to Guernsey not the half baked cost they worked out when going to Jersey previously 

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So many Christians not enough Lions


Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2020 at 18:41
Hinckley and Leicester Lions probably won't be happy!LOL

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2020 at 23:28
Someone is always unhappy especially as the clubs are not evenly distributed across the country.
One thing we will learn is how bad the mismatches are likely to be after reorganization.



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Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 09:40
I believe that the RFU will not be funding any travel expenses especially to the Islands


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 10:32
Unless the RFU or the States of Guernsey fund the club,  I cannot see them getting many games.
And unlike a normal year, they visiting clubs will not be bringing in tourist money. However, it might be worth the States while keeping them afloat to get that money next year.


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Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 13:25
This will also affect clubs in the IOM


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 13:46
wb, think it only affects Douglas all the other IOM Clubs where not in the RFU Leagues.

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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2020 at 20:21
Well, here we go! Contact training from Wednesday and contact friendly matches from 18th December with adapted laws - no scrums or mauls. RFU Update today with more detail to come tomorrow!


Posted By: Flish
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2020 at 19:41
https://www.englandrugby.com/news/article/community-rugby-in-england-set-to-return?fbclid=IwAR3H1hogg_wO78uGkLjt5F9IpaufrdgB5VEVVJNrPiFd7C25VYk87sf5gmc" rel="nofollow - https://www.englandrugby.com/news/article/community-rugby-in-england-set-to-return?fbclid=IwAR3H1hogg_wO78uGkLjt5F9IpaufrdgB5VEVVJNrPiFd7C25VYk87sf5gmc

Law variations and explainer 


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2020 at 20:48
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Well, here we go! Contact training from Wednesday and contact friendly matches from 18th December with adapted laws - no scrums or mauls. RFU Update today with more detail to come tomorrow!


No need for props then - stick a couple of back rowers in instead

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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2020 at 22:39
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Well, here we go! Contact training from Wednesday and contact friendly matches from 18th December with adapted laws - no scrums or mauls. RFU Update today with more detail to come tomorrow!


No need for props then - stick a couple of back rowers in instead

Not sure, previous experience says props have value as lifters at line outs and also read defence better around rucks. Go for mobile props!


Posted By: Keeppushininthescrum
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2020 at 00:28
I wouldn't worry about winning games by bending rules, 
The virtueous amongst us would rather see the props on the pitch.
I'm siding with them. 


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2020 at 10:30
Don't want to worry you guys but I have been told that one (definitely) and more ( probably) will NOT be partaking in this form of quasi-rugby and decided to shut up shop till next season. This decision is based purely on their inability to fund such activities. As has been pointed out by several on this forum previously - semi pro players expecting to be paid by clubs who have little or no income.
Wouldn't be right to name the club(s) opting out until they have officially notified their own membership


Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2020 at 11:13
We still need to have Government approval  for the use of changing and shower facilities, if clubs can open their bars with a kitchen to supply food, Travel restrictions such as traveling into higher tiers, One issue at higher levels will be the provision of Referees and assistants. I know the government released some information to the RFU last night so this will be made available shortly. However as many have said will clubs be able to pay players who are under contract with no income unless their sponsors are going to keep clubs going until next season. I am aware of at least one club in the North that has opted out to be ready for next season.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2020 at 11:53
Indeed Workerbee - given that clubs were given until 30th November to "opt in" the NCA should already be aware which of their affiliated clubs are noticeable by their absence


Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2020 at 12:04
Opting in wasn’t confirmation of taking part, it was about gauging interest

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So many Christians not enough Lions


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2020 at 12:29
Well I assume if you don't opt in then you ain't interested! It will be interesting to see how many "Aye's" and how many "Nay's" they have from their 48 clubs, all of whom will be semi-pro in one form or another and with different sources and levels of income


Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2020 at 13:29
Thatbloke: Fully agree about the semi-pro comment.

But here is a couple of bigger question for you guys:

1/ How many National 1 and 2 players will play for the love of the club and not ask for a penny?

2/ What employer will let his members of staff run the risk of playing rugby on a Saturday and contracting Covid, this way. Because you must have a much higher chance than by not playing!

Most peoples companies have had enough hurt this year with the shut downs, lock downs etc that this has given us. Without John Smith playing a game of adopted rugby on a Saturday, with a chance ( no matter how small) of him coming in Monday morning and giving it to all the other staff! Or even a teacher at school!



 It will be interesting to see what comes out about clubhouses, because the hospitality industry will be up in arms if you can have a pie and a pint at the local club, but the restaurants in that area remain shut!


Posted By: oneagainstthehead
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2020 at 13:59
Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

Thatbloke: Fully agree about the semi-pro comment.

But here is a couple of bigger question for you guys:

1/ How many National 1 and 2 players will play for the love of the club and not ask for a penny?

2/ What employer will let his members of staff run the risk of playing rugby on a Saturday and contracting Covid, this way. Because you must have a much higher chance than by not playing!

Most peoples companies have had enough hurt this year with the shut downs, lock downs etc that this has given us. Without John Smith playing a game of adopted rugby on a Saturday, with a chance ( no matter how small) of him coming in Monday morning and giving it to all the other staff! Or even a teacher at school!



 It will be interesting to see what comes out about clubhouses, because the hospitality industry will be up in arms if you can have a pie and a pint at the local club, but the restaurants in that area remain shut!
Ealing Trailfinders have their first match with spectators this Saturday. The clubhouse and bars will be closed with limited outside catering for food and hot drinks. I think that will be the pattern for COVID Tiers 2 & 3 clubs.


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Posted By: Keppeltitan
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2020 at 16:16
Rotherham announced a couple of weeks ago that they were not going to play any rugby before next season due to the cost .
Basically same as most other clubs there has hardly been any income since March and as we are in tier 3 there is not much hope of any income.


Posted By: hills17
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2020 at 18:31
On one of the NCA updates it said 90% have shown an interest.

I’m guessing people will know or have an idea about their own clubs and whether they’re entering. We await with interest these next few weeks to see other clubs etc, whose there etc. Clubs will have done what is right for them.

Not sure if this is bringing politics to the forum just wanting to comment on the restaurant next door in a non political way, true but rugby has had to wait since March. 

It’s nice to have this light at the end of the tunnel for rugby.


Posted By: Tiger Dome 2
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2020 at 19:38
Why would they not ask all the players to play for free / less to give something back to the club ?


Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2020 at 09:51
Originally posted by Tiger Dome 2 Tiger Dome 2 wrote:

Why would they not ask all the players to play for free / less to give something back to the club ?


2020: Very different world for players from 20 years ago when they would jump at the chance!


Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2020 at 10:30
Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

Originally posted by Tiger Dome 2 Tiger Dome 2 wrote:

Why would they not ask all the players to play for free / less to give something back to the club ?


2020: Very different world for players from 20 years ago when they would jump at the chance!

My brother plays for club (local level not remotely this high) while carpentering during the week. 

Got a call about this social rugby idea, 'well, thanks to lockdown and furlough I'm now working weekends to catch up'.... They're struggling to raise a XV out of their three sides at the moment.

Now, depending on what these players are being paid to play at national 1/2 level, vs lost income (and the distances that some travel to play for their N1/2 sides, and you start to see why what's effectively emotional blackmail still might not stack up.

There's (at least) 3 types of rugby player:

- the amateur playing for the love of it 
-the pro, playing because obviously they enjoy it but they're paid to do it, it's their career
- the most complicated one, the semi pro. Playing more for the love than the money, but at level 2 and 3 the money might be enough to explain why they flog up and down the motorways.

I'm obviously not going to go into details, but through agent contacts I do know that there are already semi-pro players 'giving something back to the club' by choosing to play for them. Turning down more money because they like the set up where they are. But take away some/all of the money they are getting and it changes the dynamic a bit.

No club can be blamed too much for deciding that it's not worth trying to do anything this season. I'm intrigued to see how many actually end up playing when it starts. 



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Posted By: Thames Estuary Man
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2020 at 11:00
Don’t forget the young semi pro players who are putting themselves in the shop window, hoping for a pro contract. These lads have had a major setback to their careers this season. 


Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2020 at 11:12
Originally posted by Thames Estuary Man Thames Estuary Man wrote:

Don’t forget the young semi pro players who are putting themselves in the shop window, hoping for a pro contract. These lads have had a major setback to their careers this season. 

absolutely, should have been clearer that I meant at least 3 broad categories, lots of variation within them obviously.

For those in that latter category it must be very disheartening, not least because, while it might scratch an itch, it's going to be difficult if not impossible to scout properly at matches of 'not quite rugby' played between two sides who've cobbled together a team each... 

I've got no problem with the new format, it's a good compromise and as the tiers allow (and assuming we're taking part) I'll be going to watch Mose playing it. But I think the fans and the players alike need to realise that it's very much better than nothing, rather than any kind of shop window as it might usually be. And if clubs or players don't want to/can't afford to take part, then we are where we are.


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keep the faith


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2020 at 11:27
Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

Originally posted by Thames Estuary Man Thames Estuary Man wrote:

Don’t forget the young semi pro players who are putting themselves in the shop window, hoping for a pro contract. These lads have had a major setback to their careers this season. 


absolutely, should have been clearer that I meant at least 3 broad categories, lots of variation within them obviously.

For those in that latter category it must be very disheartening, not least because, while it might scratch an itch, it's going to be difficult if not impossible to scout properly at matches of 'not quite rugby' played between two sides who've cobbled together a team each... 

I've got no problem with the new format, it's a good compromise and as the tiers allow (and assuming we're taking part) I'll be going to watch Mose playing it. But I think the fans and the players alike need to realise that it's very much better than nothing, rather than any kind of shop window as it might usually be. And if clubs or players don't want to/can't afford to take part, then we are where we are.


I'm not sure clubs in Tier 3 areas will have the choice.

With the passing of the deadline, I would have thought they would have at least announced groups by now?

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Posted By: Bunkermentality
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2020 at 14:29
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Ealing Trailfinders have their first match with spectators this Saturday. The clubhouse and bars will be closed with limited outside catering for food and hot drinks. I think that will be the pattern for COVID Tiers 2 & 3 clubs.
The Daily Mail seems to think that elite clubs can serve booze  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9005001/Fans-stadiums-EXEMPT-Tier-2-rules-demanding-alcohol-served-meal.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9005001/Fans-stadiums-EXEMPT-Tier-2-rules-demanding-alcohol-served-meal.html

So do Ealing Trailfinders  http://www.ealingtrailfinders.com/news/bars-open-for-ealing-trailfinders-v-bristol-bears" rel="nofollow - http://www.ealingtrailfinders.com/news/bars-open-for-ealing-trailfinders-v-bristol-bears


Posted By: Bill Sley
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2020 at 06:16
Additional update regarding the NCA Cup competition
DECEMBER 5, 2020

https://www.ncarugby.com/announcements/additional-update-regarding-the-nca-cup-competition/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ncarugby.com/announcements/additional-update-regarding-the-nca-cup-competition/

The NCA has announced that the start of the cup competition will be delayed following the Government COVID announcement earlier this week.

Given the RFU’s commitment to give clubs at least four weeks notice before competitive rugby can begin,  the earliest start date would have been 16th January.......The start of the tournament will be delayed until at least February in order to allow every one an equal footing.





Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2020 at 12:26
Originally posted by Bunkermentality Bunkermentality wrote:

Quote
Ealing Trailfinders have their first match with spectators this Saturday. The clubhouse and bars will be closed with limited outside catering for food and hot drinks. I think that will be the pattern for COVID Tiers 2 & 3 clubs.
The Daily Mail seems to think that elite clubs can serve booze  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9005001/Fans-stadiums-EXEMPT-Tier-2-rules-demanding-alcohol-served-meal.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9005001/Fans-stadiums-EXEMPT-Tier-2-rules-demanding-alcohol-served-meal.html

So do Ealing Trailfinders  http://www.ealingtrailfinders.com/news/bars-open-for-ealing-trailfinders-v-bristol-bears" rel="nofollow - http://www.ealingtrailfinders.com/news/bars-open-for-ealing-trailfinders-v-bristol-bears


Four bars were open and selling beer and other beverages.


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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2020 at 13:35
Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Originally posted by Bunkermentality Bunkermentality wrote:

Quote
Ealing Trailfinders have their first match with spectators this Saturday. The clubhouse and bars will be closed with limited outside catering for food and hot drinks. I think that will be the pattern for COVID Tiers 2 & 3 clubs.

The Daily Mail seems to think that elite clubs can serve booze  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9005001/Fans-stadiums-EXEMPT-Tier-2-rules-demanding-alcohol-served-meal.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9005001/Fans-stadiums-EXEMPT-Tier-2-rules-demanding-alcohol-served-meal.html

So do Ealing Trailfinders  http://www.ealingtrailfinders.com/news/bars-open-for-ealing-trailfinders-v-bristol-bears" rel="nofollow - http://www.ealingtrailfinders.com/news/bars-open-for-ealing-trailfinders-v-bristol-bears



Four bars were open and selling beer and other beverages.


Good news for all hoping to start in January/February - without bars being open, there would be little hope of breaking even let alone making a profit.

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Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2020 at 14:37
The Rugby Paper today gives details of the 48 clubs in the National league Cup, which may be put back until February. Five clubs not participating. 

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Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 07:23
Sad to see Rotherham not playing because they cannot afford to pay their players. Why would clubs pay anything to players to play in a competition that will only last half a season, has no league table involved, and does not result in any promotion or relegation?  If players insist on being paid given the crisis every rugby club has been through this season I suggest they are not the sort of player you want in your club.  If players will not play for money fine, find some others who will -I am sure there are plenty of younger players who would relish the opportunity to play at Nat1/Nat 2 level


Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 08:50

Marigold: As said my point posted a week or so ago.I fully agree with what you are saying:
 
The player in 2020 expects everything and will do nothing for nothing, it does not matter be it league or cup, some will not play for free, which is a sad indictment of the modern player, take take take!

It will also be interesting to see come the start of the 21/22 season, and we are back to normal, what clubs are paying retainers to players as well, because most at National 1or 2 level do or did up till now and I would have thought not many will have anything in the pot to be able to afford this luxury.

Everybody was able to cancel players contracts for this season, most ended players contracts in March  with no league rugby and therefore not having that outlay anymore, but when clubs start to go back in July for pre season, I bet some players will be asking clubs to pay retainers to them from day one!


Posted By: MCNRY
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 11:31
The "player in 2020", most likely works full time alongside playing rugby. At Nat 1/2 you are expected to train 2/3 times a week, before even accommodating for gym/rehab work outside of this. If injured, which given the emphasis on "mass" has definitely increased in recent times, you are either reliant on NHS or if lucky can pay your own way through private medical insurance which more often than not doesn't cover pre-existing conditions. If there are players on retainers, they deserve it. 

Take, take, take is well off the mark, plenty of clubs have stitched up many players in our time observing our own clubs and National Leagues. If players do not want to play, its nothing to do with the sentiment of playing for free and the modern player, it's being realistic and understanding the pros and cons of each, crisis or not. Only last year, a player did severe damage during game and required 3 surgeries. He had to take a large portion off work and was eventually let go. We are now asking players to make similar commitments, off the back of no contact training since March, whilst considering the COVID risks playing despite some having families and also not be paid. A bit of common sense would be handy instead of these reckless opinions...


Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 11:38
Originally posted by MCNRY MCNRY wrote:

The "player in 2020", most likely works full time alongside playing rugby. At Nat 1/2 you are expected to train 2/3 times a week, before even accommodating for gym/rehab work outside of this. If injured, which given the emphasis on "mass" has definitely increased in recent times, you are either reliant on NHS or if lucky can pay your own way through private medical insurance which more often than not doesn't cover pre-existing conditions. If there are players on retainers, they deserve it. 

Take, take, take is well off the mark, plenty of clubs have stitched up many players in our time observing our own clubs and National Leagues. If players do not want to play, its nothing to do with the sentiment of playing for free and the modern player, it's being realistic and understanding the pros and cons of each, crisis or not. Only last year, a player did severe damage during game and required 3 surgeries. He had to take a large portion off work and was eventually let go. We are now asking players to make similar commitments, off the back of no contact training since March, whilst considering the COVID risks playing despite some having families and also not be paid. A bit of common sense would be handy instead of these reckless opinions...

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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 12:38
As Frank Machin says in this Sporting Life

"I don't https://www.definitions.net/definition/enjoy" rel="nofollow - enjoy https://www.definitions.net/definition/getting" rel="nofollow - getting https://www.definitions.net/definition/kicked" rel="nofollow - kicked https://www.definitions.net/definition/about" rel="nofollow - about for other people's enjoyment. Only if I've been paid a lot for it"

That he was portayed by Richard Harris is just ironic. Though Richard at least had the Rugby skills to carry the on pitch scenes.




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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 22:30
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

As Frank Machin says in this Sporting Life

"I don't https://www.definitions.net/definition/enjoy" rel="nofollow - enjoy https://www.definitions.net/definition/getting" rel="nofollow - getting https://www.definitions.net/definition/kicked" rel="nofollow - kicked https://www.definitions.net/definition/about" rel="nofollow - about for other people's enjoyment. Only if I've been paid a lot for it"

That he was portayed by Richard Harris is just ironic. Though Richard at least had the Rugby skills to carry the on pitch scenes.


Great book. Not quite so good a film (despite Harris's best efforts).


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Posted By: NeilSKN
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2020 at 20:11
Also read about the suffering of players such as Steve Thompson (with head concussion induced dementia) and similar players further down the league, to realise that players deserve all they can earn for the enjoyment of their spectators.


Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2020 at 11:24
The Guardian has made a big splash of Steve Thompson, Alix Popham and others over the early onset dementia, rightly IMHO. The RFU has been running its CRISP Injury Survey for some years now and has been feeding data from that to World Rugby as they look at player safety within the Laws. 

I am also a Trustee of The Children's Trust, a charity that provides rehab for children with acquired brain injuries, some of whom have acquired those in sports activities, not just rugby. 

Taking the limited amount that I know into account, we cannot stop people carrying out activities that may cause brain injury but we can raise awareness and understanding among coaches, medical staff and parents of the possible issues. The Rugby authorities can then identify mitigation measures. 

One measure I would like to see is the ending of the use of the word "smashing" when describing tackling. Tackling is designed to stop a player running, smashing implies breaking into pieces. Young players cannot always distinguish between the definitions.


Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2020 at 14:26
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

One measure I would like to see is the ending of the use of the word "smashing" when describing tackling. Tackling is designed to stop a player running, smashing implies breaking into pieces. Young players cannot always distinguish between the definitions.

Totally agree with this point.  

Facebook/Youtube/Twitter etc are full of clips of 'great hits' - yes hits, not 'great tackles'. They are usually someone throwing themselves into contact, arms hardly used, rarely wrapped. 

Yet these are applauded by millions and become installed in youngsters psyche as the way to play the game. 




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Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2020 at 16:06
Instinctively one would think that making players tackle below the waist would reduce the number of 'hits' and thus be safer, but unfortunately when the Championship tried this the trial had to be halted because of the increase in the number of concussions from low tackling. 


Posted By: Oldman1
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2020 at 16:21
I understand that at some levels in nFrance tackling below the waist is mandatory, can Frednch Connection conform and if so what's the effect?



Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2020 at 17:09
Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

Instinctively one would think that making players tackle below the waist would reduce the number of 'hits' and thus be safer, but unfortunately when the Championship tried this the trial had to be halted because of the increase in the number of concussions from low tackling. 


Yes, good idea but not thought out - it was mainly the tackler being concussed through getting his head in the wrong place - a case of poor technique.

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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2020 at 17:24
Originally posted by Oldman1 Oldman1 wrote:

I understand that at some levels in nFrance tackling below the waist is mandatory, can Frednch Connection conform and if so what's the effect?


This is being trialled in France at community level. The Grauniad report said that it was positive but that wasn’t necessarily the experience in the Championship Cup trial.


Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2020 at 17:28
Tackling below the waist is what coaches teach boys when they first start to play. There is no RFU Video that I am aware of that teaches chest-high tackling. To me that is a League tackle. We need to teach players to tackle well and safely. Yes, it may lead to more offloads because the ball is not being targeted and wrapped up but that actually benefits the game - well for the attacking side. Hang on, isn’t that what we are trying to do?


Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2020 at 17:37
Well the groupings for the NCA Cup - but not yet the fixtures - have been released:

1 Blaydon, DMP, Tynedale, Wharfedale, Harrogate
2 Barnes, Chinnor, Esher, Henley, Rams, Rosslyn Park
3 Moseley, Lions, Stourbridge, Cinderford, Hinckley, Luffbra
4 Blackheath, Canterbury, OEs, Tonbridge, Worthing
5 Sale, Caldy, Fylde, Chester, Sedgley Park
6 Bishops Stort, Cambridge, Bury St Eds, OAS, Westcliff
7 Leeds, Sheffield, Huddersfield, Hull, Hull Ionians
8 Plymouth, Barnstaple, Dings, Redruth, Taunton, Clifton

Now you can all start posting your versions which would have reduced travel! Oh, and don’t forget to start forecasting Group winners!! Leeds seem to have a relatively easy group to ease them into NCA rugby.





Posted By: Thames Estuary Man
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2020 at 23:51
Hopefully we will see these games played in the new year. Living within a mile or so of both Westcliff and Rochford I’m disappointed that Rochford aren't in the draw, as home and away local derbies would have made two very welcome fun afternoons out. 


Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2020 at 00:37
It seems no Bournville, Guernsey, Luctonians, Rochford or Rotherham.
Which is a pity.
But 43 of the 48 have entered.



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Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2020 at 07:25
Guernsey have understandable geographical problems. I would be keen to discover from those with knowledge if the others are choosing not to compete as their squads are comprised predominantly of players who insist on being paid or because their committees believe their clubs will be in better shape  for the 21/22 season if they mothball for the next 6 months? Will the players who signed at those clubs to play rugby this season be allowed to play at other clubs now the clubs themselves have chosen not to play?


Posted By: French Connection
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2020 at 09:48
Federal 2 and 3 - equivalent to Nat 2 and Regional Premier and pretty much all semi pro - have been trialing a number of experimental law since September 19. They include no tackling above the waist and no double tackles. The first one has been easy to implement and a big success in my opinion. Our lot always tackled like that anyway - I've never, ever advocated high tackling for safety  reasons and also for effectiveness. The best way to stop an attack is to put the runner on the ground asap. There has been no increase in concussions or injuries at all. I think that they'll make that one permanent. The double tackle law has caused much more difficulties for referees, and although I agree with the sentiment of it, I'm not sure it's practical, especially when a runner hits the line close to the breakdown. In addition, at both Fed 2 and 3 the scrum cannot move more than 1.5 metres - that's been the case for many years and is permanent. At first I was really dubious about this one, especially as we've got a few really big and powerful scrummagers. However after 3 years I'm a big fan. The scrum is still important, but there are hardly any penalties or resets and it allows the game to flow much more easily. We can plan attacks from scrum with certainty that the ball will emerge when and where we want. I think that the game is faster and more free flowing here that at the equivalent level in England.


Posted By: French Connection
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2020 at 10:03
Forgot to add that there are 2 more fairly significant experimental laws. Pick and go is banned, except if it's in the act of scoring. The idea is to reduce the unnecessary contact when a forward just piles into a defender a metre away. There's been no problem with that one and most people are in favour of it - the pick and go isn't the most exciting or attractive thing for players or spectators. Secondly and far more controversially, a ball carrier cannot lower his body height and lead into contact with his head. Leading with the shoulder is OK, but referees have made some poor decisions. We've got a couple of really good players who are great at dropping the shoulder and bouncing defenders but they've often been unfairly penalised, as we've shown to referees after the game on video. I agree with the sentiment but it's another tough decision for the referee. All of the changes were made in response to three young players dying (for various reasons) between 18 and 19. The FFR were under massive pressure to do something to increase player safety.  


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2020 at 13:45
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Tackling below the waist is what coaches teach boys when they first start to play. There is no RFU Video that I am aware of that teaches chest-high tackling. To me that is a League tackle. We need to teach players to tackle well and safely. Yes, it may lead to more offloads because the ball is not being targeted and wrapped up but that actually benefits the game - well for the attacking side. Hang on, isn’t that what we are trying to do?


I would say that tackling around the chest, neck & head became more prevalent as the numbers of south seas islanders in our game increased.

I suspect the reason that people tackle high is to limit offloading opportunities.

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Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2020 at 14:19
RFU Guidance re travel from this weekend:

 If you are playing matches, this weekend, please remember that in line with Government guidance car sharing is not permitted. In a tier 2 or tier 3 area, car sharing is not permitted with anyone from outside your household.

In a tier 1 area, avoid car sharing with someone from outside your household or your support bubble.

Travel in coaches and minibuses is permitted as long as they are Covid-secure, i.e. seating arrangements must be considered to maximise distance between people in the vehicle – this may mean using more than one coach or minibus, for example. Teams should check for local travel restrictions in their area before departing as these will vary depending on the coronavirus alert level. You should not travel into or out of tier 3 areas to take part in sporting activities or access sport facilities.


So anyone wishing to travel by coach will need two coaches 4 if you take 2nd XV. So cost will be a real issue. with cost of a coach starting at £300 each. if no one is related 20+ cars to an away game. Additional problems for clubs bordering onto Wales any player who lives over the border in Wales will be in full lock down in January. 



Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2020 at 16:47
The whole thing is up in the air again with more regions moving into their 3 so no spectators & no bars therefore no revenue. Not sure how this affects things but looks grim

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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2020 at 20:17
Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

RFU Guidance re travel from this weekend:

[COLOR=#ff0000] <span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10.5pt;]If you are playing matches,
this weekend, please remember that in line with Government guidance car sharing
is not permitted. In a tier 2 or tier 3 area, car sharing is not permitted with
anyone from outside your household.</span>[/COLOR]
<span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">


In a tier 1 area, avoid car sharing with someone from outside your household or
your support bubble.



Travel in coaches and minibuses is permitted as long as they are Covid-secure,
i.e. seating arrangements must be considered to maximise distance between
people in the vehicle – this may mean using more than one coach or minibus, for
example. Teams should check for local travel restrictions in their area before
departing as these will vary depending on the coronavirus alert level. You
should not travel into or out of tier 3 areas to take part in sporting
activities or access sport facilities.


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This guidance seems to shed a lot of doubt on the cup actually taking place - for instance Worthing in tier 2 are in a group where all the other teams are in tier 3.
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