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Topic: Blues Update
Posted By: The Blues
Subject: Blues Update
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2021 at 22:12
Blues are going to start testing players from next week to start training. They have also added another 4 players to the squad, with some Saints players to also join for pre-season.

https://bedfordrugby.co.uk/news/2021/01/board-directors-update-january-2021" rel="nofollow - https://bedfordrugby.co.uk/news/2021/01/board-directors-update-january-2021



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Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2021 at 00:08
Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

Blues are going to start testing players from next week to start training. They have also added another 4 players to the squad, with some Saints players to also join for pre-season.

https://bedfordrugby.co.uk/news/2021/01/board-directors-update-january-2021" rel="nofollow - https://bedfordrugby.co.uk/news/2021/01/board-directors-update-january-2021

If finances are so tight why are you signing four players from Northampton for a season that isn’t likely to happen?

I presume you have to test to comply with Northampton so a further excess just to have some Saints involved in training.

The decisions made by these clubs really do baffle me and on one hand looking for bail outs and the other hand acting as though they are rolling in it


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2021 at 12:58
I see no sign of Blues "acting as though they are rolling in it"


Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2021 at 13:19
If Championship starts how will clubs make income without crowds, unless televised. 

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Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2021 at 14:25
Blues will stream all home games and I guess charge for this.

We like all clubs are surviving and didn’t have much of a squad to save costs. Don’t forget Blues are one of the rare clubs who had turned a profit for the last 3 years. How many other clubs are self-sustainable?

I am aware of some businesses giving money to the club to tide the club over and it was more if you can do anything to help, please do.

If the Club did not prepare for the season properly I am sure there would be a strong legal case of negligence from players if they got badly injured! That could cost a lot more than testing.



Posted By: Greg
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2021 at 18:47
Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

[QUOTE=The Blues]Blues are going to start testing players from next week to start training. They have also added another 4 players to the squad, with some Saints players to also join for pre-season.

https://bedfordrugby.co.uk/news/2021/01/board-directors-update-january-2021" rel="nofollow - https://bedfordrugby.co.uk/news/2021/01/board-directors-update-january-2021

"If finances are so tight why are you signing four players from Northampton for a season that isn’t likely to happen?"

Where was there any suggestion that Bedford were signing four players from Northampton? 
The article states, "The introduction of regular testing is a critical step towards our sport returning and also enables the next stage of our partnership with Northampton Saints and their players joining us in pre-season." Followed by, "The Board have also given the green light for Mike and his coaching staff to proceed with their plans for the 2021 campaign; this includes the addition of four exciting new players who will be announced in due course."




Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2021 at 14:37
I would have thought that the new partnership allow Northampton to provide Academy players but they are under salary regulations and I believe the team receiving the Premiership Academy players pay their salaries. They are in theory under the rules and regulations of the Premiership salary cap but equally ensure they get paid what they command at their clubs.

Excerpt from premiership regulations on salary.

"Academy Player" means any Player who, as at 1 September 2018, is between 16 and 24 years of age (inclusive) and whose total Salary for the Salary Cap Year 2018-19 or any previous Salary Cap Year does not exceed or has not exceeded £30,000 at that Club. For the avoidance of doubt, if total Salary paid to an Academy Player is, in any Salary Cap Year, in excess of £30,000, the Academy Player shall be treated as a Senior Player for the purposes of the Regulations. With effect from 1 July 2018, where any Player of a Club ceases to be an Academy Player of that Club and becomes a Senior Player of that Club, or where any Player of a Club was first employed by that Club as a Senior Player, in either case that Player will at all times be treated as a Senior Player of that Club and shall not at any stage be capable of being or becoming an Academy Player of that Club;


There is a good chance that these have been updated in view of recent irregularities by some clubs....... don`t mention the ...........  


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Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2021 at 20:58
Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

Blues are going to start testing players from next week to start training. They have also added another 4 players to the squad, with some Saints players to also join for pre-season.

https://bedfordrugby.co.uk/news/2021/01/board-directors-update-january-2021" rel="nofollow - https://bedfordrugby.co.uk/news/2021/01/board-directors-update-january-2021

If finances are so tight why are you signing four players from Northampton for a season that isn’t likely to happen?

I presume you have to test to comply with Northampton so a further excess just to have some Saints involved in training.

The decisions made by these clubs really do baffle me and on one hand looking for bail outs and the other hand acting as though they are rolling in it

The COVID testing is from a Sponsor.


Posted By: isleonian
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2021 at 18:10
Isn't Bedford still amateur?


Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2021 at 18:27
Originally posted by isleonian isleonian wrote:

Isn't Bedford still amateur?

Semi-Pro


Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 18:57
No grants for the Blues and are crowdfunding to pay for tests!

https://bedfordrugby.co.uk/news/2021/02/2021-championship-season-update?fbclid=IwAR0IEjsOrX9HjNn6extfvKmFXS2KGrVbtRuET4tyQ8LutsU7SKM62igME-A" rel="nofollow - https://bedfordrugby.co.uk/news/2021/02/2021-championship-season-update?fbclid=IwAR0IEjsOrX9HjNn6extfvKmFXS2KGrVbtRuET4tyQ8LutsU7SKM62igME-A


Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 19:17
Why won’t Saints pay for their 2s?
They will outnumber Bedford players 


Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 19:42
Squad is 30 with 12 saints

Realistically out of those who signed who would be starters I would say out of the 12, maybe 5 would be in, if we had everyone fit. The props will be back up to our 4 we have for example, we only have 1 winger so definitely 1 will start. The others 2nd row, scrum half (Tupai we see as ours really), maybe a centre and the No. 8 potentially.


Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 20:37
If the starting XV contains eight Saints are there any plans to wear Northampton shirts?


Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 20:48
Sorry the Blues have taken an approach to ensure they can play at the moment and also survive. One of the few rugby clubs that is run like a business and had turned over a profit for the last 3 or 4 seasons before COVID struck.

We are very much reliant on 2,500 people turning up.

There won’t be 8 starters (unless we are decimated with injuries) and of course even then the majority of the squad will be Blues.


Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 20:57
Saints are not giving you 12 players to hold bags on a Thursday night.
They are giving you them to make sure they get game time and you can field a side!
If you think any different I think you are very much mistaken 

They will be the ones pulling the strings in this relationship

Hope I’m proved wrong, I don’t think they give 2 hoots about Bedford. They want their guys getting gametime. 
If they were only there to train they would have stayed at The Gardens and saved a few quid! 




Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 21:41
Did I say that they are going to sit and watch? I said if we were playing a must win game maybe 5 would start. Of course all of them will get some game time as ultimately what are we really playing for nothing.

Saints want them to get game time but also they want them to earn the right to get into the team/squad. The last thing they would like is for them to get special treatment, as they hardly aids development. When we have had loan players in the past the coaches have said if they can’t win places in the Blues team on merit then how are they going to get into a Saints 1st team squad, so it was up to them to perform.

For example we have 1 proper hooker, so naturally the Saints youngster will get game time and the 2nd.


Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 22:39
Blues whilst i hope you are correct I think it is more likely the Saints coaches care little about them earning the right to get into a match day squad and more about them playing some rugby as there are no other options. They absolutely want special treatment ie they must all play, as them training and not playing at Bedford aids their development even less than staying at Saints. They will want to use these fixtures to make judgements on their players to see if they should remain at Northampton going forward.


Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 07:34
Marigold, yet again spot on and correct.

Im very sorry but Bedfords strings will be pulled by people upon the road.
Like it or not you will be used as a tool for The Saints wants and needs, because without them you don't have a side, so at present you have little option, Im sorry to say!


Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 08:56
The RFU Rules & Regs dated August 2020 indeed allow the above scenario? Scrumtine & Marigold may well be correct.

13.4.4 Loan and England Academy Players A Club may not play or select as a replacement or substitute in a Match more than the number of Players set out below:

(a) Level 1 (Premiership): no more than three Loan Players and unlimited England Academy Players under the age of 24 as at 1 September 2020. 

(b) Level 2 (Championship): no more than three Loan Players and no more than ten England Academy Players under the age of 24 as at 1 September 2020. 

TB, it would seem Saints have done the maths and potentially all 12 could be included in a Blues match day squad. I also doubt they are at Bedford for training purposes, they are there to get as much game time as possible.

Can you expand on "...ultimately what are we really playing for nothing." That doesn't make sense winners get promoted to the Prem and from the looks of it all those clubs participating are facing about minus £200K in costs to play. That' the exact opposite of your wording. LS clearly thought that wasting £200K on a "nothing" season isn't shrewd, maybe others will think the same way in the next few days but if as you say Bedford is such a well run business why throw £200K at something meaningless?


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Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 09:01
As said PiffPaff...the number 12 they have sent is for a reason, the homework has been done... The reason is very clear and above, in the RFU Regs or loan and dual reg players!!




Posted By: clieves
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 13:10
Just going through the Bedford squad on their website, the only home grown player is Rich Lane, the rest come from literally all over the world. Why are people getting precious about whether the squad has Blues players in or Saints players in? Once they run onto the pitch with a Blues shirt on, they are Blues players. Finally most of the Saints players grew up a damn site closer to Goldington Road than most of the other Blues players, so could be classed as the local lads ...


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 14:38
There seem to be a lot of people happy to think the worst of both Bedford and Northampton Saints in this thread without any evidence at all.

The only evidence I can see is how mean-spirited some people are. Sadly.


Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 14:58
WE the Blues made some comments he believed about how the Saints players would be picked at Bdford. A couple of people disagreed. I do not see this is as mean spirited. I see this as offering an alternative opinion-surely the aim of this blog.?


Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 15:51
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

There seem to be a lot of people happy to think the worst of both Bedford and Northampton Saints in this thread without any evidence at all.

The only evidence I can see is how mean-spirited some people are. Sadly.

Clap


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Posted By: Greg
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 16:55
Bedford supporters (and, indeed, all other rugby club supporters) would do well to think twice before posting club specific material on a forum like this. Although the information regarding the announcement of 12 Northampton Academy players was not confidential and was to all intent already in the public domain it was only really intended for Bedford supporters as an update on how the squad is developing. Once spelt out in full on a public forum it simply invites those with little or no interest in Bedford to have a go.
I do not know whether this link with Northampton is a short, medium or long term arrangement and I don't yet have a view as to whether it favours one party more than the other. As a long time supporter I will give the club directors the benefit of any doubt and place my trust in their decision. These are difficult times for the Championship (and lower leagues) and Bedford are, for the time being, still very much in the game.


Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 17:24
As a non Blues supporter I'll just be glad when we get some rugby to watch. I've been watching Premiership matches on BT Sport and look out for the ex Richmond players. Nice tries from Sam Stuart and Louis Lynagh.
You can have as many Northampton players as you like as long as you turn up and play.



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Posted By: Bigbluepip
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 08:46
I’m experiencing deja vu in this thread, whenever Bedford announce loan signings people seem to feel the need to give the negative rather than positive of this. Personally I just want to see some rugby and all Championship sides to come out of the pandemic and be able to keep competing.

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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 08:56
ClapClap
Originally posted by Bigbluepip Bigbluepip wrote:

I’m experiencing deja vu in this thread, whenever Bedford announce loan signings people seem to feel the need to give the negative rather than positive of this. Personally I just want to see some rugby and all Championship sides to come out of the pandemic and be able to keep competing.

ClapClap


Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 09:30
Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:

ClapClap
Originally posted by Bigbluepip Bigbluepip wrote:

I’m experiencing deja vu in this thread, whenever Bedford announce loan signings people seem to feel the need to give the negative rather than positive of this. Personally I just want to see some rugby and all Championship sides to come out of the pandemic and be able to keep competing.

ClapClap

Agreed a hundred times over.


Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 10:13
When we talk about oversees players clubs will need to know what is happening about Kolpak players now we are out of the EU whilst it may not affect this coming season the new regulations have not yet been released 


Posted By: hills17
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 10:39
Originally posted by Greg Greg wrote:

Bedford supporters (and, indeed, all other rugby club supporters) would do well to think twice before posting club specific material on a forum like this. Although the information regarding the announcement of 12 Northampton Academy players was not confidential and was to all intent already in the public domain it was only really intended for Bedford supporters as an update on how the squad is developing. Once spelt out in full on a public forum it simply invites those with little or no interest in Bedford to have a go.
I do not know whether this link with Northampton is a short, medium or long term arrangement and I don't yet have a view as to whether it favours one party more than the other. As a long time supporter I will give the club directors the benefit of any doubt and place my trust in their decision. These are difficult times for the Championship (and lower leagues) and Bedford are, for the time being, still very much in the game.

I’m a Plymouth fan, have had good link/ relationship with Exeter over the last few years getting loans/ drs etc but also a lot of our own players, most local these days from Devon and Cornwall with a few from other places. It’s worked well. It’s nice to see the Exeter lads we’ve had make debuts etc for Exeter later on. A couple of us as fan’s were concerned the club would become “Exeter 2nds” and that hasn’t happened. I personally remember thinking Plymouth is a proud city/ club is its own club etc.

Pirates off course have had Exeter players too over the years. Worked well with a lot of their own players too. Own club etc.

Not sure the rules allow you to field a team of loan players etc but as long as you keep your own group of players, DoR etc and owners your club will still be your club. Off course I’m not a blues supporter, you guys may be happy with any thought of becoming the Saints 2nds not that you’ll become it. Bedford is also a proud club. 


Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 12:46
Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

WE the Blues made some comments he believed about how the Saints players would be picked at Bdford. A couple of people disagreed. I do not see this is as mean spirited. I see this as offering an alternative opinion-surely the aim of this blog.?

What was being expressed didn't seem to be in my idea of the aim of the blog and it seems others agree with me but each to his own.


Posted By: Bigmal
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 14:09
Lots of arguments for and against but surely the key point is that our game will not survive without people playing at the base of the pyramid. Anything that gives people game time has to be welcome.

Lots for the RFU and Premier Rugby to do when we finally get back to normality.


Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 15:24
Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

Lots of arguments for and against but surely the key point is that our game will not survive without people playing at the base of the pyramid. Anything that gives people game time has to be welcome.

Paid professionals from the premiership are hardly at the base of the pyramid.

Unless of course you work for the RFU.


Posted By: Bedfordian
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 18:03
I think some people on here need some rugby to comment on! Some of these comments are moronic.  No relegation this year, some clubs wont take part, its just about getting some rugby played.  Perhaps it would be better if Bedford didnt bother this year.  Probably would have been the easier option.  Lots of clubs seems worried about facing 18-20 year olds!


Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 21:03
Not saying donate before we Blues fans get the... now you want us to pay for the saints players comments. Mainly sharing the video which is well put together.

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/protect-your-bedford-blues#start" rel="nofollow - https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/protect-your-bedford-blues#start

Blues games will be streamed for £10. Who knows we could get a number of Saints fans watching which could boost our income having two sets of supporters helping financially.

On the other comment... so Saints sent us players that could all fill a squad! Wow! With a squad of 30 it would seem stupid sending us 8/9 players who couldn’t be in a squad as we wouldn’t be able to have a full bench with a few injuries. Clearly some rugby fans would rather some 5-0 panel wins rather than watch some rugby.

Playing for nothing... I don’t see us beating Ealing or Saracens, so you look at the other end and there’s no relegation, so other than giving fans rugby and rugby players a chance to play rugby, which they have not done so for a year. This is pretty much what ring fencing looks like.


Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2021 at 18:27
Almost 1 week into the Blues fund raising and their initial target of £50k has been surpassed and stands at £60,538 Thumbs Up

Ampthill have also gone past their initial £20k target with £20,125. Thumbs Up


Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2021 at 20:31
Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

Almost 1 week into the Blues fund raising and their initial target of £50k has been surpassed and stands at £60,538 Thumbs Up

Ampthill have also gone past their initial £20k target with £20,125. Thumbs Up



Impressive, particularly the Blues.

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Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2021 at 20:54
Squad changes.
Alex Penny retires.
Three new signings coming in
Elijah Niko from Ealing
Andre Robson from Yorkshire Academy
Corrie Barrett from Munster (A side)




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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2021 at 21:23
Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

Almost 1 week into the Blues fund raising and their initial target of £50k has been surpassed and stands at £60,538 Thumbs Up

Ampthill have also gone past their initial £20k target with £20,125. Thumbs Up
Thanks for the reminder, £20 chipped in.


Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2021 at 23:00
Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

Almost 1 week into the Blues fund raising and their initial target of £50k has been surpassed and stands at £60,538 Thumbs Up

Ampthill have also gone past their initial £20k target with £20,125. Thumbs Up
Thanks for the reminder, £20 chipped in.

Clap


Posted By: Mickyboy
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2021 at 15:36
Thank you for your kind support 



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