2021-22 Championship Teams
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Topic: 2021-22 Championship Teams
Posted By: Dalesman
Subject: 2021-22 Championship Teams
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 10:07
| Am I missing something here? With Saracens promoted, and presumably Scottish returning, we have 11 team. Is that it for the new season? No club promoted to join us? One less home game each? Another financial nail in the wall? |
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 10:36
| It will be 11 teams for the coming season, that's right... |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 10:38
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Yes. Eleven teams this season - with 13 in the Premiership. One more team promoted this season, to make 14 in the Premiership. The championship needs to decide how many national one teams to promote next season. ideally before the start of this season. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Woody
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 10:56
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So will there be relegation from the Championship this coming season or not? Assume not. ------------- Forever Green. |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 10:58
Definitely, as the restructuring below will be dependent on how many teams move up into the championship from N1 - I'm guessing it will be 2 or 4. ------------- RAID ON |
Camquin wrote:Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 11:09
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The restructuring of levels four, five and six is unfortunately going to happen anyway - as is the reduction of league sizes at levels three and four. What will not happen is the restructuring at levels 7 and below - as that would probably mean ripping up the current CBs and replacing them. Similarly, they will leave the current four division in place - while three might make more sense. They will therefore need a new body to run level 5 - as those leagues will not fit with the divisions. But aside from that, it is a wonderful idea. Deckchairs anyone. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Bluesman11
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 11:25
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Rugby Paper reported there will be no relegation from the champ this year. Hoping they come to their senses are promote 4 to give us 14 team league
------------- Championship Prediction League Winner 11/12 |
Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 12:46
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B11 I also understand there will be no relegation from Championship this coming season but with one team going up and none coming down that will leave only 10 teams in the Championship. I think they are more likely to bring 2 up at end of the coming season and then 2 more the following season. I agree a 14 team league would be good for the Championship. 26 meaningful league matches and no waste of time Championship cup matches. |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 13:24
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Given the major reorg happening this season, I suspect they will do it in one. So four up this season. It will probably be no relegation, with only one up from each National 2 league. Though, you could argue for two down, 2+2 up - but again that is not what was done in the past. For every other level, it is at least three up. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 13:33
| 1 team promoted no relegation 4 up from Nat 1 No Relegation from Nat 1 . 1 up from both Nat2N and N2S is the logical option but logic does not count with the RFU. The only negative is how to cut the cake from the RFU contribution 14 teams will make the slices smaller. However as the RFU are determined to reduce it even further, gate, bar and hospitality may cover some with 2 extra home games. |
Posted By: MCNRY
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 13:49
| Players from 6 different Nat 1 clubs have been reliably informed already there are to be 4 teams promoted from National 1 this coming season (21/22) should criteria be met other than finishing 1st-4th. |
Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 14:14
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As I understand it marigold they would have to promote FOUR Nat 1 Clubs at the end of next season as the new League structures agreed for 22/23 season cannot be amended until 25/26 at the behest of RFU Competitions. Whilst I'm sure the top 4 Clubs in Nat One would love to be promoted to the Championship I would guess the 4th or 3rd place Clubs would be somewhat lacking in manpower and crucially finances to make a go of it.
------------- Crouch, Bind, Tweet! |
Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 14:15
| where is the criteria for Championship? How is it going to me managed, Who will visit clubs to decide they meet the criteria? John Inverdale has already indicated that he would like to see clubs at level 3 and 4 having ensuring that they meet the criteria for their league , not sure how you gauge criteria for clubs who get crowds of less than 300 and in some cases less than 100. |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 14:19
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it ought to be a full sized pitch and a decent changing room - everything else is fluff. Let's face, much as I love Ampthill's fairy ring - it is hardly the most luxurious place to watch. Especially in the teeth of a named storm. However, we won and that is all that matters. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 14:31
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I have posted this before there was a minimum standard for Nat 1 and each club was inspected annually but this hasn’t happened in years as a few clubs would have failed. I remember seeing a document for the championship quite a while ago but it’s main thing was about medical standards and very little else and unless things have changed many clubs in Nat 1 have better facilities than some championship grounds ------------- So many Christians not enough Lions |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 16:51
Quite agree, championship clubs don't all qualify on the facilities front - so it would be shameful to deny promotion to any N1 side on that basis. Personally, I would say there is no reason to jettison relegation from N1 - if for instance, Leeds have another shocker and finish bottom they should be relegated (again). ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 17:08
Bit like the Prem standards that. Some teams didn't meet there's who were already in
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Posted By: Cherub
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 17:24
Ampthill have a full sized pitch a a decent changing room. They even throw in a stimulating walk through the woods and commando style pitch side latrines. Methinks you rugby fans from just across the border in Cambridge are getting a tad soft……… 
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 18:57
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Get six up, if the relevant NL1 clubs want it. The criteria thing is basically irrelevant, as long as access, medical and a few other neither here nor there items are complied with (like a fenced pitch) it's all pretty easy. Let's make a proper league of it. To my mind Mose, RP, DMP, Roth, Blackheath and Plymouth would be good to bring up - even if not currently in a position to, league-wise ;) I can dream. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 19:28
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I could go with those options Kimbo ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 21:16
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Rotherham might be a stretch, as they are in National 2. There is a possibility of Sale FC however. But it all depends on how clubs have coped with the year off and how they do next year. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 21:17
We at Pirates would love to have Plymouth back in The Championship - a mere 80 miles away, as local as it gets for us! |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 23:17
I refuse to accept that Roth have fallen that far. Nope. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2021 at 10:36
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It happens. On the other hand, other clubs get promoted. It is the great benefit of the system, it lets the leagues renew. As opposed to closed shops and ring fences, which lead to stagnation. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2021 at 10:39
| Bring back Wharfedale! |
Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2021 at 10:47
| Given that the Premiership is aiming to expand to 14 teams, and I believe levels 3-6 will also be set at 14 teams from 2022, it makes sense for the Championship to do the same. But, just to throw another variable into the mix - promotion to the Premiership at the end of next season is dependent upon the club that finishes top of the Championship fulfilling the necessary criteria to allow them to take their place at the top table. So there is still a risk that the 2022-23 season would see a 13 team Premiership and a 15 (or 13, or 17 - depending on the final decision on numbers) team Championship. |
Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2021 at 11:30
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MWJ, haven't you heard? The plan is to allow Ealing to finish top then refuse them entry on some technicality and then offer Donny the 14th spot and thus complete the geographic spread the Prem want. You can't have another South East based club its a saturated market, meanwhile the country's biggest playing county needs to have a Premiership club. Simple economics, rugby is secondary. ------------- Crouch, Bind, Tweet! |
Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2021 at 12:52
That tongue in the cheek again PP  ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2021 at 12:54
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Thing is, Donny is going to win the league outright, and take the promotion the honorable way (by right). It might happen folks  ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2021 at 12:56
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If we had players on central contracts, proper cost control and the clubs at least partially owned by the RFU - then I would certainly want a franchise in Yorkshire. But as we have to have promotion and relegation, we have to take the most successful clubs. You would hope that if too many are based in one region, they would not be able to attract enough spectators to survive. However, we know it is sponsors and sugar daddies that really matter. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2021 at 13:22
I suspect that it is no coincidence that about a dozen Trailfinders commercials ran during the latest Engalnd vs. USA international match. Buttering up the RFU...
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2021 at 15:02
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gerg what you have to hope for is that there isn't a last minute stitch up that states any team not fielding 85% EQP players each game cannot be promoted or some such twaddle. You guys have recruited quite strongly to an already strong squad - when our announcements start to follow (which we have been promised will follow shortly) that we have signed a dream team, to contest against you, and make it a last match of the season do or die scenario.....wouldn't that be fun? ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2021 at 17:20
Smacks a bit of get the 'old boys network' promoted, irrespective of their current playing strength. My suggestion is top 4 up at end of 21-22 season then 2 up 2 down after that. As for facilities, let teams be promoted on proviso they can improve facilities within a set period of time (presumably as happened with Ampthill?) ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2021 at 17:23
That could hardly happen without relegating Sale Sharks. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2021 at 17:36
And the problem with that is?
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2021 at 18:32
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You forget, the promised land do not have to adhere to these rules- they are a law unto themselves ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2021 at 18:43
Yep. I'm trying to spot something wrong with that. Nope. Perfect in my view. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2021 at 20:19
Sounds like your 'view' is a championship which is ring-fenced with clubs you know - a lot wrong in my opinion! ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2021 at 22:27
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So point to the bit where I advocate ringfencing.
------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2021 at 10:34
Your whole previous statement was either provocative or was indicative of your views which amount to ring-fencing. I.e keeping new teams out of the championship. I never said you stated you were in favour of ring-fencing, just it sounded like it. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2021 at 11:22
| Bizarre interpretation. There is a difference between wanting to see some old friends back in an expanded 16 team Championship and denying promotion to all other clubs. |
Posted By: Rucking Idiot
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2021 at 11:51
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I'm not in favour of ring-fencing as it holds back ambitious clubs & players; But it's not a new phenomenon it was about years before leagues were ever a thought; Senior clubs wouldn't entertain giving a regular fixture to any up & coming clubs; It was also a fact with the "Old Boys" network; The "Leagues" have improved the game; But at a massive cost, that was being a member of a close knit club no matter of your ability; Players today are missing what has kept us "Old Farts" being friends long after our bodies gave up the game; 3 sides (1st XV, ExA XV & ExB XV) travelling together as one, with no-one to bothered about which side you turned out for other than you were one of the club; The RFU & Premier League has taken enough from us it carry on as if we don't count.... ------------- If it looks like a duck & quacks like a duck it's just my rucking luck! |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2021 at 14:41
No problem with wanting to see old friends back at any level, but it has to be on merit. The way it was worded (and the following post) indicated that this wasn't the case. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2021 at 16:41
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Well, you're very wrong in your interpretation then, but so sorry if I'm not quite earnest enough to pass muster for you.
It's a long way down off that horse of yours though. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2021 at 16:44
Nonsense. "When did you stop beating your wife?".
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2021 at 16:44
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Spot on there Mark. Now there's a dilemma though - I'd overlooked my favourite away day. Damn. How are we going to fit LW in?
------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2021 at 17:24
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Throw out Hartpury 🤣🤣🤣 ------------- So many Christians not enough Lions |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2021 at 18:18
Can't do that. Tantamount to ringfencing in reverse. Harumph. Seriously though, I wonder how much (if any) effect Glawster's move away from Hartpury will have, now their ttaining ground lease has expired? ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2021 at 18:42
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I don’t think much on the playing front as it’s the better standard around for the senior academy lads and possibly Cinderford for the junior academy all close with limited travelling ------------- So many Christians not enough Lions |
Posted By: Cricks at 2
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2021 at 17:00
| I just want a league match every week, home and away, from September to May. New and much loved old grounds to visit, with the odd stopover on the longer distance trips, for a good night out. A 16 team league should do it nicely. |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2021 at 17:43
Exactly, unfortunately the re-organisation is based on 14 teams per league - so I would think the championship would be the same, but of course till they pull their fingers out and make a decision we can only guess. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2021 at 18:27
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The decision to reduce the season to 26 games + 4 county games, was taken to give semi-pro players more time off. The Championship players do not play county matches, so you could argue they could mange four more matches. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2021 at 18:58
Quite. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2021 at 19:15
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Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2021 at 07:13
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Only four teams in the Championship will not be semi pro next season. If 26 league matches was what the vast majority of National One and National Two teams D or R/Head Coaches want going forward for their semi pro teams I would imagine the same will be found in the Championship. 30 matches at Championship level for semi pro players seems excessive. |
Posted By: stadium
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2021 at 12:17
| Marigold what 4 teams will be fulltime? My guess Pirates, Ealing, Jersey and Doncaster. |
Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2021 at 17:38
| Stadium you are correct. I have not heard of any others returning to full time. |
Posted By: Bluesman11
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2021 at 19:30
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Are Coventry not full time? ------------- Championship Prediction League Winner 11/12 |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2021 at 20:23
Obviously can't be, cos that'd make five, eh ------------- Our Club |