World 12s

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Topic: World 12s

Posted By: Steve@Mose
Subject: World 12s
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 17:30

Trying to bridge the gap between 7s and the full game it would seem:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/58476455" rel="nofollow - New World 12s tournament proposed to launch in August 2022

http://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-qa-document-explaining-what-the-new-world-12s-is-all-about/" rel="nofollow - The Q&A document explaining what the new World 12s is all about

Q. What is the difference between 12s and 15s?

World 12s will follow the current Laws of 15s, but with a few exciting adaptations:

12 players in a team – six forwards and six backs
15-minute halves
Conversions will be drop goals only
Only one scrum reset, followed by a free-kick
Scrum infringements are penalised by a differential penalty (a penalty that cannot be kicked at goal)
In the knockout stages, if matches are tied at full time, a golden point will decide the winner

Q. How does 12s work in terms of playing positions?

There are six forwards and six backs. The extra space created by having three fewer players across the pitch allows both the opportunity for running rugby and exciting tactical kicking, depending on how a coach chooses to align their backline. This will lead to a high scoring, high pressure and attractive rugby being played, whilst keeping the shape and a semblance of the structure of 15s.

Q. How many players are in each squad?

Each squad will be made up of 24 players. To help boost the development of the global game, each franchise will be required to select at least two players from Tier Two nations as well as one international Under-20s player.

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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 18:42

Interesting. This is what the Press Association’s England rugby correspondent said about it:

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World 12s rightfully getting an underwhelming response from World Rugby and Premiership Rugby. Both were only told about it yesterday despite the claim by World 12s that "early and informal discussions" have been "constructive"

Posted By: Count Ford
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 18:54

It'll be Interesting to see where the financing is coming from for this and how the countries with central contracts react.

Quite frankly I can see very little benefit overall apart from those players at the top of the game (the ones already earning good money) will get more chance to maximise their earnings.

Current thinking in all sports seems to be to plough money in to all sorts of 'exotic projects' rather than giving anything to the grass roots which actually support the whole thing

Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 19:38

Based on the "success" of the IPL and the Hundred in cricket. Success for whom?

I understand the need for flexibility in the way we play but don't the top players already have enough commitments?

Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 20:19

hmmmm...... Two months ago...... Lions Tour can't be moved to next summer because....... World Cup in 2023, Calendar already over stretched, player welfare........... now from left field.

World 12s, let create something in late off-season/early pre-season in the Northern Hemisphere and middle of the Southern Hemisphere seasons and get some Broadcaster who normally won't touch rugby comps and waste a load of someone else's money. World Rugby and all the Unions should say "no way= Richie"

We already have a T20 version of rugby, its called 7s !!!!

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Crouch, Bind, Tweet!

Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 21:39

As with all previous posters I can't summon up the tiniest bit of enthusiasm for this. Can we sort out our domestic rugby first please - really complicated stuff like how many teams are we going to have in the Championship and Nat1

Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 22:03

Looking forward to see what comes of this.

IMO 7s is a class game that needs it own governing body, not seen as much 10s, 12s could be interesting - believe 15s has got way too comfortable in its ways, and perhaps this is the sort of coporate event it needs to get it's act together, can see so much potential with this in the 7s game. I wish the 12s event all the best.

Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 22:25

We are all for player welfare, unless we can make money.

All the unions are broke, so while this should be squashed, it will be welcomed with open arms.

We already have 7s, 10s, do we need 12s.

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Sweeney Delenda Est

Posted By: Albert Fishwick
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 07:47

Six forwards eh? Why does that ring a bell?

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That's easy for you to say.

Posted By: front5
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 10:04

Ad a player and we almost have rugby league?

I wonder if it is less to bridge 7s - 15s gap and more towards creating a clearer cross over pathway between the codes

Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 11:31

Go to eleven, allow infinite substitutions, perhaps permit one forward pass per play.

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Sweeney Delenda Est

Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 13:57

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/58486763" rel="nofollow - Exeter boss Rob Baxter raises concerns

Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 14:37

Steve@Mose wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/58486763" rel="nofollow - Exeter boss Rob Baxter raises concerns

Interesting to see however Steve Hansen backs it.

Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 16:11

dropout22 wrote:

Steve@Mose wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/58486763" rel="nofollow - Exeter boss Rob Baxter raises concerns

Interesting to see however Steve Hansen backs it.

More interesting to see who is paying for Steve Hansen's support.

Posted By: Bin Licker
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 16:59

Rugby league crossed with 7s. Beware the thin end of the wedge!

Cannot summons up the interest to even read the small detail. Already too much mediocre, meaningless rugby over playing the players without this dross.

The downward spiral continues.

Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 17:04

Agree completely Bin Licker - just fiddle with the format to come up with something that makes money so we can plough it all back into the National teams and top Leagues. Couldn't give a monkeys for anything below the elite

Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 17:51

People like Ian Ritchie have already done enough damage through sheer greed and should be chased harder than ever from the game.

Capitalism is slowly but surely killing everything off on the planet and it’s attitude towards sport is right up there with everything else

Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 20:42

No thought for player welfare . . it might be a fun game, I played vets 10's and loved it but we have two great games . . 7's and 15's . . .strangely if you reduce the number of replacements in RU, 5 for injuries only, the game will become more open and less attritional . . so more fans! JUST Market the game better!

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Run with it

Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 21:40

The national unions need to behave exactly as UEFA did towards their proposed rebel league. Kill it off early by threatening players with bans from national selection.

Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 22:47

Camquin wrote:

Go to eleven, allow infinite substitutions, perhaps permit one forward pass per play.

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RAID ON

Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 04:36

Would prefer a push to market 10s.

Recall it suggested 10s has the speed of 7s, with a few more pieces of the full game.

Some European nations Germany a prime example seem to be doing well at 7s, but not able to get stability at XV. From my limited knowledge of 10s n a TV show some years ago, was to build on skills.

During Tokyo 2020 the IOC President was at the 7s. It is a format he thinks is good for the Olympics. However he seems keen to see Rugby in more countries, and maybe in those nations 7s and 10s offer more than the slower pace of 15s.

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Looking forward to new beginnings.

Posted By: rugbychris
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 09:19

This isn't a proposal to help the development of the game in anyway it is just a desperate attempt to create a new rugby format that they can take ownership of and flog broadcasting rights to netflix or amazon etc. I would be embarrassed to associate my name with it or Ian Ritchie.

Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 09:38

Absolutely agree!!

Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 14:54

Which is a missed opportunity.

Although that should IMO have been done using 10s.

However I understand whilst 10s is only 10min each way. 12s is 15 each way.

World Rugby should look at both and try to build on one or the other. Could 12s work as a longer match, 20 or more mins each way? Or the 15 minutes might be effective, when allowing for stoppages, waiting for a dead ball could add 5 minutes each way.

Across Europe, could use international teams as per Rugby Europe 7s series, or maybe nations like Germany, Netherlands, Belgium could bring two sides into a tournament?

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Looking forward to new beginnings.

Posted By: Bigmal
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 16:42

I watched the Bristol v Harlequins semi last season - difficult to top that in entertainment terms!

In that game the Quins back three exploited the space in the S half BUT also denied Bristol another 2/3 tries in the first. Quick ball and explosive running defeated power and bulk.

Cut the subs and slim the players down and the 15 a side game is excellent...

Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2021 at 17:33

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/59067701" rel="nofollow - World 12s: World Rugby "do not wish to explore concept further"

A revolutionary 12-a-side competition planned for next year appears to have been killed off by World Rugby.

The World 12s was launched in September with organisers pledging to generate £250m of income to the game.

After consultation with stakeholders, World Rugby "do not wish to explore the concept further at this time".

A World Rugby spokesperson said the sport's priority was "advancing discussions" on a "harmonious annual international calendar".

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However, sources at World 12s have told the BBC they are not yet "raising the white flag" and say the issue is more around the timing of the fledgling tournament than the concept itself.

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Backed by luminaries such as World Cup-winning coaches Steve Hansen and Jake White, the World 12s hoped to launch next August in rugby's equivalent of the Indian Premier League.

But the announcement blindsided the game's authorities, while it is also understood CVC - the capital equity giant which has a commercial foothold in the Premiership, the United Rugby Championship and the Six Nations - were also not consulted and do not support the venture.

The tournament - due to be held in England - was intended to take place across three weekends and feature 192 of the world's best players, picked via auction to represent eight franchises.