Chasing kicks (Rosslyn Park view)
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Topic: Chasing kicks (Rosslyn Park view)
Posted By: Shamrose
Subject: Chasing kicks (Rosslyn Park view)
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2021 at 14:27
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I like to have a browse of the disciplinary decisions on the RFU site to see what the panel is coming down on and there are already quite few in there but this one is a cracker https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/75/758b786e-9341-47f2-bbc5-56a0e006055a/AddamsRosslynParkJudgmentSep21%28final%29.pdf" rel="nofollow - AddamsRosslynParkJudgmentSep21.pdf (englandrugby.com) The RP argument seems to have been that if the other player who was taken in the air wasn't there then there wouldn't have been a tackle and therefore no offence The panel said the following We found the following:
1. The Player chased a box kick.
2. He showed an awareness of 2 opponent players by running and threading through them as
he chased the ball.
3 He ought to have been aware of the presence of his victim opponent. It was manifestly
obvious that he could have expected an opponent to have positioned himself to catch the ball.
4. The Player decided to pay no regard to whether there was such a player there.
5. In the Player's mind, his opponent "wasn't there."
6. In our judgement this was a grossly reckless and manifestly dangerous move. It is simply
unacceptable for a Player to say that his single mindedness is such that nothing and no one
else matters. He ought to have been aware iof his opponent. Had he done so, he would, as
countless others do, have stopped, waited for his opponent to complete his catch and then
lawfully tackle him in a recognised way.*
7. The effect of player's recklessness was that he charged into his opponent who had already
lifted into the air. He could not have been in a more vulnerable position.
8. The impact of this caused the victim to topple over and land, from height, directly onto his
head. * After we had delivered our decision, we were surprised that Mr Evans, who having expressed
himself as bewildered by our decision, asked what he was supposed to tell other players who
find themselves in such a position. Notwithstanding this highly unorthodox expression of
disapproval of our decision which we do not expect to ever be repeated, we should emphasise
that we are not a coaching advisory panel and that any need for learning ought to be directed at
others. Given the circumstances and the highly dangerous event in this case, we recommend
that the RFU makes contact with the Club to ensure that what has happened here is not
something that has resulted from a particular coaching technique. This should be done as
matter of urgency. Equally, we would urge the Club to reflect as to its own approach to these
proceedings I think RP may be getting a knock on the door from the RFU to put them straight on this
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Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2021 at 16:02
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You omitted to mention that RP were also admonished for telling the RFU the red carded player was not selected the next week due to his sending off, when in fact he was not allowed to be selected as he had been concussed. Would not like to be the next RP player up before the beak..... |
Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2021 at 18:47
| That is quite shocking to read. It would appear that Mr Addams was put into an impossible situation by his club's officials and given some very bad advice/guidance on his plea. |
Posted By: omnes Paviores
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2021 at 22:55
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Steve@Mose Hopefully the Rosslyn Reps will learn that Rugby Union has moved on towards a more modern understanding No longer, can Boards/Committees sit on their thrones and think they have influence over the authorities because through history they were a 'superior' club who could pull strings. Hopefully the player will not offend again but I bet if he did he will refuse support from alicadoos I only wish the RFU had the balls to reprimand those officials. Nod nod and a wink no longer prevails
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 16:23
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Having read the full verdict it is pleasing to see that the disciplinary panel's view of the player's conduct prior to and at the hearing was "Exemplary. The Player was a model
participant." It's a shame that some of his 12 week ban could not have been given to the two club idiots who represented him. As the saying goes with friends like these who needs enemies.
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 19:43
Or those that advised him to appeal - to get 12 weeks indicates it was at the serious end of offences? ------------- RAID ON |
WEvans wrote:Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 20:38
This has stuck with me the last few days:
A Rassie Erasmus moment from Mr Evans? Hopefully this is something which won't be replicated by other coaches/officials.
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Posted By: Lord_Kitchener
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 23:18
You’re comparing Rassie to a bunch of clowns. Hardly in the same league.
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Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2021 at 11:34
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Rassie is a very intelligent and thoughtful man. ------------- pappashanga |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2021 at 15:25
I was rather assuming it was the same two clowns who advised him to plead not guilty (I think you meant) but it is possible the clown contingent at Rosslyn park isn't limited to two of course. I also assume the punishment was increased to the high end 12 weeks due to the advice and efforts of Coco and his mate rather than the actual offence but I could of course be wrong.
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