Do we know what 22/23 looks like?
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Topic: Do we know what 22/23 looks like?
Posted By: Whistle watcher
Subject: Do we know what 22/23 looks like?
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2022 at 15:40
| While we do still have the excitment of the end of this season and the drama it will undoubtedly bring whoever wins the league, do we *actually* know what next season will look like in terms of league size etc? If we do, I think it must have passed me by..?? |
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Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2022 at 15:55
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12 teams. With a lack of promotion to Premiership, means only one team being promoted from National one. ------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused. |
Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2022 at 16:49
| Or 2 if either Doncaster or Ealing win the League this season AND are successful with their Appeal! |
Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2022 at 07:04
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Looking at the promotion issue as a supporter of a CB lib that has no such aspirations, I would like to add my fourpenny worth. The current system is an obvious vested interests cartel. In the interests of rugby as a sport, and not some version of professional wrestling there’s got to be some danger of demotion. So there also has to be a reward for playing well ,i.e.promotion. To reject teams for the current reasons is more of an excuse than a reason. If a team is promoted to the Premiership no doubt it can attract more lucrative sponsorship and afford better facilities. The ability to play good rugby is the only valid criterion for promotion. If one looks at teams promoted from N1 one can see they soon adapt to the higher standard.The same would happen on promotion to the Premiership. England is not doing too well currently. Perhaps it’s the negative attitude of the Premiership cartel that has something to do with it. ------------- pappashanga |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2022 at 08:52
Actually, it has more to do with the number of foreign players in the Premiership. There are a couple of clubs with large numbers. I am just watching last Friday's Premiership Cup match between Newcastle and Leicester. This competition is normally for senior academy players and first teasers recovering from injury. Whilst Leicester's pack and halves demonstrate this, their entire back 5 are foreigners! Time to limit the number of foreign players to say 4 per 23 man squad. ------------- RAID ON |
Pappashanga wrote:Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2022 at 09:34
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The limit is already two - it is just that due to EU law, nobody counts as foreign. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2022 at 11:24
We are no longer in the EU so the RFU should apply the limit at all levels. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2022 at 23:03
Time to limit the whole senior squad to 4 nominated non EQP and two on a match day. And while you're at it abolish the premium marquee player rule. All squad inside the cap. ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: Woody
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2022 at 14:06
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So The Times article with Sweeney says the Prem clubs agreed to give England extra access to their players, ahead of the world cup by shortening next season in return for a moritorium on relegation. So if nobody goes up this year will there be promotion but not relegation next year to get an even number in the Prem? If there is still the prospect of promotion from the Champ next year and assuming nobody gets promoted this year wont they have to change the MSC? Otherwise the Prem is ringfenced at 13 teams... Or have I missed something? ------------- Forever Green. |
Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2022 at 15:48
| There is the possibility that a team could be promoted. IF they finish top of the Championship. And pass the MSC audit. And fork out £30m for the 'P' shares. And aren't based in the south-east (too London-centric). Or the north (too northern). Or the far south-west (too inaccessible). |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2022 at 12:12
What about if they're 4.1 miles from a London club that's somehow ended up bang in the middle of England? Not that that's gonna happen for a couple of years at least  ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2022 at 08:05
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At present one club is definitely promoted from National 1. Maybe 2. Five weekends left and 14 pts separate the top 5. But due to being only 15 clubs, leaders Caldy have a match advantage. So next weekend could see some ‘runners’ fall as the fixtures have Leeds v Cambridge (4th) Rosslyn Park (2nd) v Caldy (1st) Sale (3rd) v Cinderford (5th) A win for Caldy and loss for Cinderford would possibly leave a 19pt gap with four weekends to go. On the other hand a Cinderford win and Caldy loss could narrow the gap to 9pts, and with a Cambridge win still leave Cinderford in 5th and the match advantage still in place. ------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused. |
Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2022 at 08:28
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Moseley have Sale and Cinderford to play at home but the way they played yesterday there is no chance of an upset. 🙄 ------------- Cauliflower ear. |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2022 at 00:22
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On the Cambridge post match podcast, there was a suggestion that there was still a possibility that the Championship might be expanded. Has anyone else heard anything to this effect? ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2022 at 08:05
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I have not seen anything to this effect Camquin - however that doesn't mean a thing. Perhaps we will hear something from our Head Coach when he does a supporters briefing tomorrow night. ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2022 at 08:06
Oh please let that be so. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2022 at 08:07
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I too hope for that outcome but I will not be holding my breath Kimbo. ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: Scrumtime
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2022 at 08:47
Williams talking his book again ... |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2022 at 09:53
Not heard anything. Champ clubs preparing for 12-team league in 22/23 as far as I know...
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Posted By: jimbojetset
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2022 at 10:12
 National One were preparing for a 16 league team as late as June/July 2021. So, let's be honest, what people are preparing for, won't necessarily have any impact on what actually happens. If Ealing win their legal challenge, then it might be an 11 or 12 team league depending on when the challenge is concluded. |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2022 at 11:02
| Not sure why you're laughing JJS; the unfortunate late withdrawal of a team, such as we saw in Nat 1 last summer with OEs, is an eventuality that no league in the country, whether Prem, Champ or Rutland S-W 8, is immune from. |
Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2022 at 11:25
| The Championship will definitely be 12 teams next season, not any more than that. If Ealing win their appeal the top two of Nat 1 will be promoted to the Champ. If Ealing do not-as i suspect- the winners of Nat 1 will be promoted. Donny had more chance of their appeal winning so sad they did not win the league. |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2022 at 20:55
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It's been good to see the Championship situation getting some national coverage. The latest edition of weekly 'The Ruck' podcast from The Times covers this extensively today inc interview with Ben Ward, while there's also a match report in the Times print edition, in which it's stated: 'The [Ealing] appeal outcome is likely to be announced in late April or early May after the fresh hearing'. So 50:50 whether the team which finishes 2nd in Nat 1 after the last round of games on 30/4 has any certainty - at that stage - about where they'll be playing next season. But if so hopefully this uncertainty won't last for long...
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Posted By: jimbojetset
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2022 at 21:53
I wasn’t laughing at the withdrawal. I was laughing at the idea we can predict what is going to happen. However, the very late withdrawal of OE’s could have happened earlier, as they and pretty much everyone knew so I disagree that it could happen to any club. It’s far more likely to happen to a club that has zeroinfrastructure and only one source of revenue.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2022 at 22:06
I suggested that one couldn't be certain that it might not happen again in any league JJS, not to any club...
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Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2022 at 17:54
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3 weeks left (plus a game in May for Cinderford) Who/how many going up still a battle of six teams. Easter Saturday will see attention in sports pages on FA Cup semi finals (men and women). But Rams (5th) v Caldy (1st game in hand) and Rosslyn Park (4th) v Cambridge (3rd) could be answers to what Championship will look like next year. As a Bedford supporter over a number of years Rosslyn Park are a team we have played a number of times. Cambridge we have not played competitively but as a near neighbour would enjoy seeing the at Goldington Road (the away game and parking worries me). ------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused. |
Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2022 at 20:23
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It might be a salacious rumour but there is a possibility of Caldy not accepting promotion, if as looks likely they win the league? ------------- Run with it |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2022 at 21:11
Wow - really - where did that come from ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2022 at 21:55
A Pot Noodle washed down with a bottle of Moet. Is The Championship a poisoned chalice? Quite a few have made the grade in recent years - Ampthill, Jersey, Richmond, Hartpury - but with PRL pulling at the RFU purse strings then one does wonder. I love National League rugby - usually open and free running - if Caldy want to stay then fine. If not, then that's fine also and may suit the 2nd & 3rd placed contenders (depending on Prem MSC case) - but then again what happens if no one wants promotion .....?  Maybe RP will get promoted by default!! ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 09:43
------------- "What I need is a strong drink and a peer group" |
Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 14:59
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I doubt Sale FC would as they have a natural partner in the Sharks, so they could have a competitive team without breaking the bank. similar to the deal Harlequins have just done with LScottish. ------------- Run with it |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 16:38
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I very much doubt Sale will finish second. They are more likely to overtake Caldy, or be overtaken by Cambridge. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 22:34
| I hope if Caldy win the league they go up. I remember hearing Richmond had similar reservations when they were top of Nat One and at that time they were potentially going up into a league of 11 full time pro clubs -yet they survived. Now there are only 4 full time teams. Plus is there not a chance the Champ will be expanded to 14 after next season and so possibly no relegation? Surely the RFU will work out the Champ Cup is hopeless and instead move to a season of only meaningful league matches. |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2022 at 09:30
Don't hold your breath. This is the RFU you're talking about. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2022 at 09:36
The RFU will work out the Cup is hopeless. Next season, about January emails to interested parties will ask opinion of the cup. All responses will be ignored. The league will be reduced to 10, as further investment goes to Womens Premiership. RFU will encourage dual registrations, only to be told it is nit going to be right for u23 men to be playing in Womens teams. Further discussion will remove the u23s but reduce teams from 15 to 13 a side, until Rugby League explain they already did that. RFU leaders last seen having a boozy party at Boris Johnson’s house. ------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused. |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2022 at 09:39
Jackanory. No chance they'll work it out. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2022 at 10:15
| Has a date been set for the Appeal by Ealing? and has the Championship agreed that if they are successful then they will take 2 from Nat One , alternatively will they just take one and remain and 11 team league for 22/23 and move to a 12 team in 23/24. |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2022 at 10:22
Ealing DoR Ben Ward said this week on Champ Clubs Podcast that he understood that verdict on his club’s appeal would come around the end of April. I believe it’s set that if Ealing remain in the Champ, one side (Caldy or Sale FC) will be promoted to make 12. If Ealing were to succeed & go up, then 2 teams would come up from N1. A draft structure has been circulated comprising 22 league rounds, starting 2nd w/e Sept… & another iteration of the Champ Cup (back by popular demand?!)
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2022 at 13:44
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About as popular as Putin. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2022 at 13:48
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Come on, be fair, Putin won with 77.5% of the vote in 2018 😉 ------------- "What I need is a strong drink and a peer group" |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2022 at 21:40
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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2022 at 22:15
On a turn-out of 40% of voters!
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Posted By: Tyke
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2022 at 10:07
Marigold lost me when he said the RFU would work something out, poor chap is delusional ------------- If only Webb-Ellis hadn't given them the ball back! |
Posted By: Greg
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2022 at 18:05
| A glorious Easter weekend and no Championship rugby whatsoever. An absolute disgrace and shame on those who managed to organise this outcome. |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2022 at 18:33
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But National 1 and 2 played. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2022 at 20:37
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It may have escaped your notice, but the Championship season is over. We're into the post-season friendlies now. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2022 at 16:45
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No friendlies scheduled Easter weekend. Not even a tour. It’s just not cricket. I filled my Saturday watching an odd shaped ball being headed around by 20 men and two others who seemed to spend all afternoon stopping 10 of them getting a goal or something. ------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused. |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2022 at 16:50
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Sounds like it might have been a ball-shaped ball. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2022 at 21:09
| Caldy topped ND1. |
Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2022 at 06:30
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So we now know the 12 teams for next season, the current sides and Caldy. Hopefully ‘meaningful talks’ will occur, and the league expands to 14 clubs post 2022/23 season. ------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused. |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2022 at 12:28
Why are we posting on the 'what will 22/23 season look like?' thread? 22/23 is almost half done...  >>>>I've moved posts into a new thread <<<< Richard Lowther |