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Topic: Semi-final pairings

Posted By: islander
Subject: Semi-final pairings
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 13:27

Just out from 'HQ':

Championship Cup Semi-Final Matches Confirmed

Following completion of the home and away legs in the initial pool matches of the Championship Cup, the semi-final games have been confirmed.

The two highest point scoring clubs play their semi-final at home, with the top points scorer playing the 4th, and the 2nd and 3rd ranked clubs playing one another.

Semi-finals

· Cornish Pirates v Jersey Reds (1st v 4th place)

· Ealing Trailfinders v Doncaster Knights (2nd v 3rd place)

The semi-finals will take place over the weekend of 5-7 May. Precise fixture dates and timings for the games will be available shortly.

If there is a draw after 80 minutes, extra time will take place consisting of 10 minutes each way with a minute interval. If the scores remain equal after extra time, the winner will be the team which has scored the most tries in the game (including extra time). If the scores are level and the number of tries scored is equal, then there shall be a place kick competition to determine the winner.

The Final of the Championship Cup takes place the weekend after the semi-finals, 12-14 May, and will be played at the home ground of the club with the best playing record in the semi-finals.

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Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 15:41

Great time to be playing "Coronation Weekend"

Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 15:46

workerbee wrote:

Great time to be playing "Coronation Weekend"

The current & former Duke of Cornwall will be otherwise engaged then.

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Posted By: Geoff DC
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 18:51

corporalcarrot wrote:

The current & former Duke of Cornwall will be otherwise engaged then.

Advantage Cornwall Then

Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 19:33

Any idea what this means "The Final of the Championship Cup takes place the weekend after the semi-finals, 12-14 May, and will be played at the home ground of the club with the best playing record in the semi-finals."? Does that mean the higher seeded team coming out of the Semi? Or does it mean the team with the best outcome e.g. 5-0 vs. 4-1 in points?

Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 19:45

gerg_861 wrote:

Any idea what this means "The Final of the Championship Cup takes place the weekend after the semi-finals, 12-14 May, and will be played at the home ground of the club with the best playing record in the semi-finals."? Does that mean the higher seeded team coming out of the Semi? Or does it mean the team with the best outcome e.g. 5-0 vs. 4-1 in points?

The indication from 'HQ' is that it's the winning team with the best points difference/ winning margin from their SF tie - no bonus points for 4 tries or being within 7pts. There's a sequence of potential tie-breakers after that: highest pts total, try-count, fewest reds then yellows &, in the astonishing scenario of there still being a tie after all that jazz, a coin being tossed.

Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 20:53

Geoff DC wrote:

corporalcarrot wrote:

The current & former Duke of Cornwall will be otherwise engaged then.

Advantage Cornwall Then

In Jersey the former Duke of Cornwall became "Notre Duc" following the late Queen's death. Should be a cracking close contest between Pirates & Jersey and both sides will want to win it.

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Posted By: Geoff DC
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 21:02

Yes should be a cracker Carrott.
I imagine the RFU are hoping either of us do enough to get a Home final or failing that Donny Beer

Posted By: *Stalwart
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 21:10

If the final is at The Mennaye or Castle Park there would be a big crowd. Jersey would have a good turnout I'm sure, at Ealing probably not.

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Posted By: Geoff DC
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 21:47

Do either of the Ealing supporters go to away games ??

Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2023 at 07:27

Geoff DC wrote:

Yes should be a cracker Carrott.
I imagine the RFU are hoping either of us do enough to get a Home final or failing that Donny Beer

You can be pretty sure that even if Jersey beat Pirates they would have no chance of getting the final at St Peter. I think its a pity they haven't arranged for the final to be at a neutral ground like the Stoop, RAG or even ODP which would be easy to get to for all supporters. I would go even if Jersey weren't involved unless it was a sell out and it meant a proper supporter of one of the clubs involved was being denied a chance of a ticket.

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Posted By: *Stalwart
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2023 at 09:42

corporalcarrot wrote:

Geoff DC wrote:

Yes should be a cracker Carrott.
I imagine the RFU are hoping either of us do enough to get a Home final or failing that Donny Beer

350 miles and a six hour journey each way from Penzance to the RAG or Stoop on a good day. Hardly easy.

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*Stalwart

Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2023 at 10:43

*Stalwart wrote:

corporalcarrot wrote:

Geoff DC wrote:

Yes should be a cracker Carrott.
I imagine the RFU are hoping either of us do enough to get a Home final or failing that Donny Beer

350 miles and a six hour journey each way from Penzance to the RAG or Stoop on a good day. Hardly easy.

Even more so seeing as Pirates won’t be playing Stalwart

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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2023 at 11:50

*Stalwart wrote:

corporalcarrot wrote:

Geoff DC wrote:

Yes should be a cracker Carrott.
I imagine the RFU are hoping either of us do enough to get a Home final or failing that Donny Beer

350 miles and a six hour journey each way from Penzance to the RAG or Stoop on a good day. Hardly easy.

Probably easier and nearer than Castle Park particularly if you have a week or less to organize it. The odds are heavily stacked in favour of the final being at Vallis Way or Castle Park. The RFU will probably prefer Vallis Way in case they need to send somebody to give the trophy out.

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Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2023 at 13:38

Credit where credit is due. It is a fantastic incentive for the teams to keep going until the final whistle.

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Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2023 at 17:54

Geoff DC wrote:

Do either of the Ealing supporters go to away games ??

I do .......well as many as I can. I have signed up for the Jersey away game . Not sure about the other supporter. I have been to the away game at Jersey many times.

What about you Geoff ? do you commit to many away games ?

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Posted By: Geoff DC
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2023 at 18:54

Lost count of how many N0.7
I've even been to Ealing, with a pint in the Duke of Kent on the way.
I must have seen you, as I swear I saw at least one Trailfinders supporter there

Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2023 at 20:34

No 7 wrote:

Geoff DC wrote:

Do either of the Ealing supporters go to away games ??

I do .......well as many as I can. I have signed up for the Jersey away game . Not sure about the other supporter. I have been to the away game at Jersey many times.

What about you Geoff ? do you commit to many away games ?

So looking forward to that game No. 7. It is easy to forget that there is a huge amount of rugby to play before we get to it. I do think that it will be an occasion though and I’m looking forward to catching up with you.

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Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2023 at 21:08

I read it as if Pirates win they are at home and if Jersey win they are away to whoever wins the other match.

Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2023 at 22:38

It says ‘in the semi-finals’ so surely it means the best performing team in the semi’s. I.e. bonus point win, then biggest points difference or tries scored etc. That way every team has the opportunity of hosting the final.

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Tackle Low!!!!!

Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2023 at 07:02

The Blues wrote:

I read it as if Pirates win they are at home and if Jersey win they are away to whoever wins the other match.

Brizzer wrote:

It says ‘in the semi-finals’ so surely it means the best performing team in the semi’s. I.e. bonus point win, then biggest points difference or tries scored etc. That way every team has the opportunity of hosting the final.

I answered Gerg's query above... Smile

Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2023 at 10:33

islander wrote:

The Blues wrote:

I read it as if Pirates win they are at home and if Jersey win they are away to whoever wins the other match.

I answered Gerg's query above... Smile

Any prospect of Jersey arranging a Charter for the game in Penzance? Given the likelihood of travel difficulties over the Coronation weekend it would be helpful if clubs could fix the date & kick-off times early - Friday evening would be ideal for Jersey supporters trying to limit the cost. Pirates usually stream matches but it would be good to see it live.

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Posted By: *Stalwart
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2023 at 10:44

The semi-final pairings are bizarre.

Jersey P6 W5 25 points
Doncaster P6 W4 23 points

So who has the best playing record? Oh, yes, Doncaster of course!

So points from matches decides your place in the table, but not for qualifying for the semi-final.
Jersey won 5 games, Donny won 4, so obviously Donny have a better record!

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*Stalwart

Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2023 at 11:46

*Stalwart wrote:

The semi-final pairings are bizarre.

Get your point Stalwart, but t'other side of it is that Donny won a pool, Reds didn't, and that's how they've ended up doing it.

Not saying which way's right, but there are 2 ways of skinning this cat. Was same in old Heineken Cup with 5 pools and 3 runners-up qualifying for QFs - those 3 clubs were automatically ranked 6/7/8 even if they 'out-performed' any pool winners.

Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2023 at 16:39

islander wrote:

*Stalwart wrote:

The semi-final pairings are bizarre.

Jersey P6 W5 25 points Doncaster P6 W4 23 points So who has the best playing record? Oh, yes, Doncaster of course! So points from matches decides your place in the table, but not for qualifying for the semi-final. Jersey won 5 games, Donny won 4, so obviously Donny have a better record!

Get your point Stalwart, but t'other side of it is that Donny won a pool, Reds didn't, and that's how they've ended up doing it.

That is why I thought that the semis would be on a who performs best in these games basis.
In theory, no. 4 seeds Jersey could go to the No. 1 seed Pirates, win and yet still be seeded lower than the other 2 teams.

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Tackle Low!!!!!

Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2023 at 11:21

The seedings don't count for anything after the semi-finals; clubs have been told that team with biggest winning margin in the semi earns home advantage for the final.

Pirates v Reds confirmed for Friday, 7.30pm. Date works well around various other events on the Saturday, including Cornwall's home Billy B Cup tie, the annual Siam Cup festivities between Jersey and Guernsey, and some royal pageantry in London.

Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2023 at 17:33

The Pirates webcast is now available for the match on Friday at £7 for those keen to follow it but also wanting to see the Siam Cup games in Jersey the following day.

The link is https://www.247.tv/gaa/champsrugby" rel="nofollow - Webcasts (247.tv)

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