2023 - 2024 Season fixtures
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Topic: 2023 - 2024 Season fixtures
Posted By: Front Jumper
Subject: 2023 - 2024 Season fixtures
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 07:35
| When are the fixtures for 2023 - 2024 going to be issued any ideas |
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Posted By: WILD BOAR
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 07:42
| End of May |
Posted By: Front Jumper
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 08:26
| ok thanks |
Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 11:00
Really? From memory the clubs are told provisional dates in early June with fixtures confirmed in July…. Or has my memory failed me? ------------- Tackle Low!!!!! |
WILD BOAR wrote:Posted By: Neasham
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 11:26
| Fixtures released middle of June in recent seasons. |
Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 11:31
 It still isn’t clear which teams will be competing in the Championship yet. We don’t even have a firm date of when this will be decided ------------- Tackle Low!!!!! |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 12:21
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Well, they are releasing the leagues for levels four and five, so they think they know who is playing at those levels. I assume National 1 will go one short if Wasps fold - the league with most travel and least support - or are the RFU going with the idea of adding RFU Barbarians sides to make up the numbers. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 12:31
| We've got the dates for the season's fixtures at L5, but not the fixtures themselves. |
Posted By: Neasham
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 12:57
The make up of Level 6 leagues also announced . My friends at Stockton have 4 coach trips to Cumbria to enjoy and pay for, which will be a factor in deciding whether to enter PJ cup next season (if there is one).
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 13:10
Given this was posted under 'clubhouse chat' I'm guessing it refers to level 3 and below. The Championship fixtures are usually a bit later and given the continuing uncertainty over the make-up of the 2nd tier, they're probably a little way off yet. Wasps' latest deadline is the end of May, according to yesterday's Times article...
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 13:14
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There is a problem with the Cumberland clubs, there are not enough of them at this level to be a league of their own, and they are a long way from anywhere. Either the East coast clubs have to travel cross-country, or the Lancastrian clubs have to head up the M6. I do not know which is easier, but the Lancastrian clubs had been squeaking for a long time. Geography ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Neasham
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 13:41
I wasn’t trying to suggest that travelling across country was a big issue. The lads like a day out and the Lakes is not a bad place to go. However, clubs have to find money to pay for a bus and it’s approx £1k a trip. Of course, the Cumbrian clubs have to make twice as many cross country trips .
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 15:17
Has anyone kept a tally of how many 'deadlines' Wasps have had so far? ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 16:13
Enough to make it clear as day to everyone that if you are one of the Premiership Old Boys Club members or (nearly) an RFU founder member, then they will bend over backwards to try and save you.
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 16:21
Difficult to calculate - are you including the deadlines for paying back the bond?
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Posted By: Front Jumper
Date Posted: 19 May 2023 at 09:43
| So with the demise of Wasps and Worcester apparently sorted does it mean fixtures for 2023 - 2024 season will be issued shortly |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 19 May 2023 at 11:18
I would imagine they will wait for the London Irish saga to play out ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 19 May 2023 at 11:44
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Mid to late June chaps, no earlier I would guess. As such relax ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 19 May 2023 at 13:27
fixtures for levels 3/4? - don't know, but quite possibly... Champ fixtures? - doubt it quite yet, as per CPK observation below...
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Posted By: Breakdown
Date Posted: 21 May 2023 at 12:38
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NCA AGM tomorrow, is it not? You would have thought that some relevant issues might be raised there. I hear there could be news about promotion from Nat 1 to Champ at end of 23/24 season. And it might not be very welcome news. ------------- Broken down. Beyond repair. |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 21 May 2023 at 13:00
10 + 10 = 20 (presumably in the new funding agreement) whereas currently 11 + 12 = 23 ? ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: Breakdown
Date Posted: 21 May 2023 at 13:07
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LI goes bust = 10 @ T1 End of 23-24, 2 drop from T2 to T3 and none go up from T3 to T2 = 10. Of course, that does all rather depend on there being 10 "solvent" clubs in T1. And news from the NE isn't good on that front. When I say "solvent", maybe I mean "going concern" clubs, because solvency is far too easy to manipulate as an idea whereas for going concern you have to have an accountancy firm sign off on you. Or maybe that's no better. What a farce. ------------- Broken down. Beyond repair. |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 21 May 2023 at 15:42
To be fair we are only ten clubs short of having ten solvent clubs in the Premiership.
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Posted By: FlyingRuck
Date Posted: 22 May 2023 at 14:36
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For level 3 and below I have it on good authority that fixtures will be out 10th June. ------------- See you further on up the road |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 22 May 2023 at 18:04
Darn it, why do they have to drag it out for so long!?
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Posted By: Front Jumper
Date Posted: 31 May 2023 at 08:56
| Are we now waiting for London Irish issue to be resolved before all our fixtures are issued. |
Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 31 May 2023 at 10:04
| I am told our Governing (!) Body wants to issue them all at the same time. |
Posted By: WILD BOAR
Date Posted: 31 May 2023 at 10:08
| I think you're in the know Halliford, so that would mean 9/10th June. |
Posted By: knightandday
Date Posted: 31 May 2023 at 11:22
Has the governing body ever had a sane time? ------------- Winning isn't everything, it just makes the beer taste better |
Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 31 May 2023 at 11:52
| Good question KND, certainly not since professionalism started without them! |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 31 May 2023 at 11:56
Holding out this long after the seasons finished is torture for those of us keen to see who we will play next season!
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2023 at 11:59
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Seems we will all know more, maybe only a bit more on the 12th of this month then.... http://links.emails.rfumail.com/servlet/MailView?ms=MjYwMzA1MjMS1&r=ODU5MDU0NDg5MDMwS0&j=MjI1MDA3NDMwMQS2&mt=1&rt=0" rel="nofollow - RFU (rfumail.com)
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Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2023 at 14:39
I half imagine the RFU releasing Championship fixtures 12 June, 4 months before the league commences. The Premiership/Championship Cup will be 7th August…a month before. Although I doubt they could be that crazy. ------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused. |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2023 at 09:26
I thought the cup was going to be during the 6 nations (or possibly the world Cup this year) ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2023 at 10:07
| Prem/Champ Cup pool games have been announced as filling the 5 weekends from 7 Sept |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 07:11
| One day more until clubs finally find out when they are playing whom! |
Posted By: Front Jumper
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 09:06
| Hope so about time so much time has elapsed since last league game |
Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 16:25
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My pencil is sharpened, my diary is empty…except for key World Cup dates…England group games. Await fixtures News. ------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused. |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 16:52
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So you are confident they will not progress. Anyway, if Bedford are entertaining Northampton - even in the mickey mouse cup - you will want to be at Goldington Road. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 16:57
Just to clarify, this is - as I understand it - for levels 3 and below. Certainly there's no imminent announcement about level 2...
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 17:30
Are the Championship in the RFU leagues then? |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 18:01
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I have a suspicion that the Premiership and Championship are RFU competitions, but not RFU Leagues, with the Championship being organised by FDR and the Premiership and cup by PRL. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 18:04
I'm more interested in the community rugby fixtures than the Championship. As, after all, this is the clubhouse. 
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 20:10
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Yes, it is just that KempstonBlue and I may have to wait a bit longer. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 20:58
What is FDR?
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Posted By: JohnLowe
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 21:01
| First Division Rugby. Used to run level 2 |
Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 22:30
Suits me, get Bedford Aths matches in the diary. Then adjust when Bedford Blues dates come in. ------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused. |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2023 at 22:48
Luckily I have Bury St Edmunds Wolfpack and Shelford PeaHuckleberrys nearby plus Blues and Amps Plenty of rugby nearby - just need those dates ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 07:01
Thought it might be, but as you say - ‘used to’ - that body ceased to exist way back. Isn’t the clue about who runs the RFU Championship in the title?!
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 09:07
| Now all we have to do is sit and wait and see what time of the day they will be published. |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 10:12
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Just seen the Regional 1 South East - 12 teams Bedford Ath Harpendon Colchester Letchworth Shelford Tring Westcliff Sudbury Rochford Oundle Old Northamptonians Hertford How does a club cope with just 11 Home fixtures - presumably no paid players, or very few ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 10:17
That's what the cup was meant to compensate for. But it's even more ridiculous having the team that is the furthest southeast from last year being moved into central.
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Posted By: Neasham
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 10:39
It was the same set up last season so the argument to stay at 14 team leagues is now history …….. although history can always be rewritten 🤞
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 11:02
| All quiet on the fixtures front so far...... |
Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 11:20
I think ONs play in at least 3 Cups National Cup (now Papa Js) and then 2 Northants Cups Is the East Mids refs Cup still a thing?
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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 11:21
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Officially Level 5 Clubs don’t pay players. The League structure from Level 5 down is due for review next summer under the agreement for the last restructure.
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 11:34
Some of these clubs will have full time DoR and lots of community coaches ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: Tyke
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 12:20
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Regional 1 (Level 5) payment threshold is £50k, the Regional 2 limit is zero. ------------- If only Webb-Ellis hadn't given them the ball back! |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 12:22
| Still no news about the release but I have noticed the LSE RFU have removed their fixtures news post for last year. |
Posted By: Archangel
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 13:09
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There has been no East Midlands Cup for at least 3 seasons, ONs enter the Northampton & District Rugby Association Alliance Cup and Lewis Shield ------------- Too old but young enough to learn |
Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 13:29
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Posted By: DICKON
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 14:14
| It might be that fixtures for the new season will be released on the RFU Website and Regional ones simultaneously at around 4pm today... |
Posted By: FlyingRuck
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 16:08
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On RFU site now ------------- See you further on up the road |
Posted By: HAVANT TONY
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 16:13
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Our first two games are at home Don't normally see that!!
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Posted By: Happy
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 16:22
| I see we have a "challenging" first few fixtures 😳 |
Posted By: Happy
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 16:38
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Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 16:43
| London Irish Wild Geese seem to have disappeared... |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 16:57
LIWG are in Regional 2 SC, the same league as Jersey RFC (amateurs) - see update below on Twitter from 'HQ' Rugby Football Union @RFU · 17m The fixtures for the Men's leagues for 2023/24 have now been published and can be viewed on the England Rugby website. Please note, a small number of league fixtures are still being formulated and will be added ASAP. Women's league fixtures will be published on 23 June. Rugby Football Union @RFU · 17m The leagues with missing fixtures that will be added as soon as possible are: North Counties 1 Cumbria, Counties 4 Yorkshire and the 4 ADM leagues, London Regional 2 South Central, Counties 2 Hampshire and Counties 2 Herts/Middx |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 17:04
Maybe they got moved to Central? (which for some reason hasn't got their league out yet, either issues with LIARFC or Jersey travel issues?)
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Posted By: Neasham
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 17:07
| I can’t find any new fixtures on any of the norther leagues I follow. Anyone got a link? |
Posted By: PI003
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 17:16
The fixture for the Mens leagues have now been published with Women’s league being published on June 23rd. There is , as you quote, some leagues with missing fixtures yet to be added. Yet there is no mention of Championship fixtures. Does this mean, old cynic that I am , that the RFU are no longer in charge of the Championship fixtures? Is it now down to PL ? When are we due to get these fixtures? Also, on the RFU website there are, according to my jaundiced eyesight, now three Premiership Pool groups only. Has this changed yet again?
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 17:16
| https://www.englandrugby.com/fixtures-and-results/browse-competitions" rel="nofollow - Browse competitions (englandrugby.com) |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 17:21
The RFU is still in charge of the RFU Championship. Clubs in the Championship were told a couple of weeks ago that next season's fixtures wouldn't be out today. Towards the end of June is the target, we understand, which roughly matches the usual timing in recent years...
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Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 17:32
I think the Premiership/Championship Cup fixtures should come first. ------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused. |
Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 18:11
Yes, that appears to be it. They're under SW rather than London.
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Posted By: Wind-up68
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 18:29
New here… but since when has Old Northamptonians been South East WTF 
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 18:48
The same time that Tunbridge Wells (in Kent!) became South Central!
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Posted By: Camquin2
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2023 at 20:41
I think a cub in each league sees it every season. But any one club only sees it once every n years, where n is the number of teams in the league. Something seems to have gone wrong with my usual account.
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Posted By: Tyke
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2023 at 11:16
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Each club has 2 consecutive home & 2 consecutive away in a season. Take N2E, BSE home first two games, Henley home second two. Worthing away first two games but home last two games of the year. BSE are away for the last two games of the year etc. etc. ------------- If only Webb-Ellis hadn't given them the ball back! |
Posted By: WILD BOAR
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2023 at 11:46
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That's correct Tyke, it is how the fixtures are formulated. You also play the same team the first and last match of the season.
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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2023 at 13:55
Not sure that's right. We seem to get the two home, two away set every season. We have the interesting position this season of having 8 Home matches before Christmas and only 5 afterwards. That will mean some careful cashflow management!
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Posted By: Camquin2
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2023 at 14:43
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Everyone gets two in a row at home and two in a row away at some point in the season. One team gets the first two games at home. One team gets the first two away.
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2023 at 16:09
Agreed, Worthing are away the first 2 games for the 2nd year running. Obviously an advantage if you win them but not if you don't. ------------- RAID ON |