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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2021 at 15:18
There can be quite a knock-on. If 6 go from Level 3 to Level 2that leaves 10, meaning 4 come up from Level 4. Level 4 now has 28 Clubs and needs to bring 14 up from Level 5. Below that League sizes are broadly the same but it still means 3 Clubs per Division stepping up a level. That is before you then deal with bringing in 2nd XVs at Level 7.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cherub Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2021 at 17:55
It says the RFU will maintain the same level of funding for Championship clubs until 2024. Sorry to sound dim but how does that translate into actual amounts per club for 2021/22, 2022/23, and 2023/24?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kempstonblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2021 at 19:04
Originally posted by Cherub Cherub wrote:

It says the RFU will maintain the same level of funding for Championship clubs until 2024. Sorry to sound dim but how does that translate into actual amounts per club for 2021/22, 2022/23, and 2023/24?
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I Assume it is £288,000 (or was that cut again during CoVid?)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2021 at 19:49
Won't be that much now.

Frustrated Championship clubs are pleading for clarity from the Rugby Football Union with England's second tier still unaware of the level of funding it will receive for next season.

Budget cuts and the financial side-effects of the Covid-19 pandemic have meant that each Championship club received only around £160,000 in central funding at the start of the 2020-21 season, compared with around £600k two years ago. For this season, roughly £90k was funded by the RFU with the remaining £70k coming from Premiership Rugby Limited.

With less than a month left of the current season, however, and with less than two months until England's second-tier clubs reconvene ahead of the 2021-22 campaign, the Championship remains in the dark about the level of funding it will receive from the RFU and PRL.

Telegraph Sport understands that clubs are expecting no increase or decrease in funding, with plans and budgets for next season being made accordingly, and the RFU has confirmed that it aims "to provide certainty over next season’s funding... in the coming weeks".



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2021 at 21:33
Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Won't be that much now.

Frustrated Championship clubs are pleading for clarity from the Rugby Football Union with England's second tier still unaware of the level of funding it will receive for next season.

Budget cuts and the financial side-effects of the Covid-19 pandemic have meant that each Championship club received only around £160,000 in central funding at the start of the 2020-21 season, compared with around £600k two years ago. For this season, roughly £90k was funded by the RFU with the remaining £70k coming from Premiership Rugby Limited.

With less than a month left of the current season, however, and with less than two months until England's second-tier clubs reconvene ahead of the 2021-22 campaign, the Championship remains in the dark about the level of funding it will receive from the RFU and PRL.

Telegraph Sport understands that clubs are expecting no increase or decrease in funding, with plans and budgets for next season being made accordingly, and the RFU has confirmed that it aims "to provide certainty over next season’s funding... in the coming weeks".




The funding issue was clarified in RFU announcement today - same £££s as the season just finished (which, as other have pointed out, was a massive drop from the situation in 2019-20, with a pre-Covid cut announced in early 2020 and then a further fall as the RFU's income went off a cliff later in the year). The whole recovery plan seems to have the survival of Prem clubs as its over-riding (some might say only) objective...
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Should’ve let the Premiership implode, yes not great for England but for a very temporary period, as the players are still there. Then step in to the rescue and call all the shots on players to the owners and if they don’t like it I’m sure the Championship clubs would have come to some agreement to benefit all.

RFU really need to learn how to negotiate.
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Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

Should’ve let the Premiership implode, yes not great for England but for a very temporary period, as the players are still there. Then step in to the rescue and call all the shots on players to the owners and if they don’t like it I’m sure the Championship clubs would have come to some agreement to benefit all.

RFU really need to learn how to negotiate.

The last point is the best point. I am a professional negotiator in the City, and for a cash-strapped union, this was the perfect time to claw back power.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cherub Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jul 2021 at 07:33
So each club was promised a severely reduced sum of £288k but have only received £160k. Mmmm. What a cracking business model for each club to base their futures on.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kempstonblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 06:50
And still no clearer what format the league will take. Reduced from 12 to 11. So funding slashed to £160k and one less home match?

It is either a sugar daddy who wants to throw away money.
Or partnership with Premiership clubs and half your team being the 2nd XV of that club.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cherub Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 06:57
Nicely worded, kempstonblue. And continuing with the finance theme, it's like the building society saying you go out and buy your house and then we will tell you what mortgage you can have.
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Fixtures are due quite soon - week after next looking likely
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Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

Or partnership with Premiership clubs and half your team being the 2nd XV of that club.

But lets be realistic, is it the 2nd XV? Are these guys pushing for a place in the Prem Clubs starting 23? I am inclined to think not, in most instances, but perhaps in a year or two. So either 4th choice, or Academy products looking for more game time. So even that is not a great model. 

So it is Sugar Daddy or mediocrity at best - and who wants that? 

I think we are just edging ever nearer towards the abyss, unless we discover some miracle cure for the malaise that has hit Rugby Union in England. One cure is vote out the RFU Board who are basically acting as puppets for PRL. 
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Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

One cure is vote out the RFU Board who are basically acting as puppets for PRL. 
See all those pink oinky, curly-tailed things up there?
A whole effin squadron of them.
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Remember it is just not only Championship that needs to make decisions, At the end of the season Championship will be 10, with one promoted to Prem. Championship will have to decide on the size of their league for 22/23 - 10-12-14-16? This will impact on Nat 1 and below with either 0-2-4-6 being promoted. This needs to be decided before the start of the season, which is only 2 months away, what they are playing for which has been further complicated by reducing the number in the leagues below 2 to 14. Clubs will be bouncing around for the next 3 seasons.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 11:38
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

One cure is vote out the RFU Board who are basically acting as puppets for PRL. 
See all those pink oinky, curly-tailed things up there?
A whole effin squadron of them.

I saw them and thought I must be dreaming
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Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

Remember it is just not only Championship that needs to make decisions, At the end of the season Championship will be 10, with one promoted to Prem. Championship will have to decide on the size of their league for 22/23 - 10-12-14-16? This will impact on Nat 1 and below with either 0-2-4-6 being promoted. This needs to be decided before the start of the season, which is only 2 months away, what they are playing for which has been further complicated by reducing the number in the leagues below 2 to 14. Clubs will be bouncing around for the next 3 seasons.

That is so very true WB - it is a shambles and this is the RFU's doing but of course they are doing it for the greater good of the game Confused
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 13:12
Not sure you can lay all this at the door of the RFU. Looking from the outside I would question what the Championship has been doing other than the Griffiths paper which seems to have been completely discarded. National League Rugby (formerly NCA) got their position sorted butwhat have the Championship Clubs been doing as a collective?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 14:10
National league cannot sort what happens to promotion and relegation until the Championship decide their future numbers. Who will decide this? RFU or Championship?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kempstonblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 15:00
Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

National league cannot sort what happens to promotion and relegation until the Championship decide their future numbers. Who will decide this? RFU or Championship?

The decision rests with Mags and Gloria the two cleaning ladies at HQ. They will announce things next week, but are asking as a consultancy fee, a new mop each, apron and rubber gloves. They also want to know who is not flushing the upstairs toilet.
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Not sure you can lay all this at the door of the RFU. Looking from the outside I would question what the Championship has been doing other than the Griffiths paper which seems to have been completely discarded. National League Rugby (formerly NCA) got their position sorted butwhat have the Championship Clubs been doing as a collective?

When you are beholden to a master that doesn't give time for planning further down it is difficult to point elsewhere other than there until such times as they make things clear and for a given period of time - at such a point Champs Clubs have work to do (as you say) - but if they do not know what is happening because the information has not been provided then what do they (Champs Clubs) base their plans on? and then as pointed out by many the impact on the tiers below has to be considered.

If things are delayed long enough, no real effective decisions or actions can be taken by Champs Clubs or the tiers below so it just becomes a bigger shambles and feeds into preserving the PRL Cabal.
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