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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 15:57
I suppose the question to be resolved is will the RFU fund expansion - or will adding teams mean each team gets less of a fixed size cake.

Then the clubs need to take their socks off and count on their fingers and toes to determine whether the additional matches outweigh the loss of central income.

If the championship goes form 10 to16 the funding would be cut form ~£160k to ~£100k but you woul have 15 home league games instead of potentially as few as nine.

I do not think it is a simple calculation.
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For some clubs. attracting circa 2,000 supporters that means they need to make up £12,000. Or £6.00 of each ticket sold in that scenario. 

For those on 1,000 supporters that might be riskier. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JohnLowe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 16:13
We also need to think in terms of profit instead of turnover. The RFU funding is “profit” whereas an extra 6 home games may well give you an extra turnover of £60k but that won’t be all profit.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 16:38
Yes, tickets, pre-match lunches, beer and food sales, match sponsors, advertising space in the programmes plus the extra eyeballs on the pitch side and shirt adverts, so that helps sell those. But on the downside, more away trips, more match fees, possibly a larger squad to cover injuries.

It is not a simple call. I was being flippant about fingers and toes - this one does need every team to develop a good spreadsheet to look at the alternatives, and the answer is going to be different for every club. So then you need to reach a consensus.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kempstonblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 20:05
Even with 16 clubs, surely the 8 extra games would be replacing the 6+ that the cup offered.

Would more supporters turn out to extra league matches and different opponents?
Of course without promotion the season end could be anti climatic. However at the bottom it would afford more than a single relegation which might sustain interest in the latter rounds.

You might notice, in its current form, I have little love towards the Championship Cup.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gerg_861 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 20:39
Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

Even with 16 clubs, surely the 8 extra games would be replacing the 6+ that the cup offered.

Would more supporters turn out to extra league matches and different opponents?
Of course without promotion the season end could be anti climatic. However at the bottom it would afford more than a single relegation which might sustain interest in the latter rounds.

You might notice, in its current form, I have little love towards the Championship Cup.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 23:49
One solution is keep the number of teams low but to play every other team three times.
Perhaps with one round as a festival at a central venue like Twickers with five games over a weekend. 
So with ten teams you would get 13 away, 13 at home and one neutral game. 

It is patently better than having a cup and playing some sides four times - but the fans know those games do not count.



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Who would pay for the cost of opening Twickenham. Playing more games against the same opposition would be counter productive especially for the teams at the lower end of the league. However to avoid a meaningless cup competition I would suggest a 14 team league.
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Originally posted by Cherub Cherub wrote:

So each club was promised a severely reduced sum of £288k but have only received £160k. Mmmm. What a cracking business model for each club to base their futures on.


Yes, but don't forget they only played half a season.
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Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

Who would pay for the cost of opening Twickenham. Playing more games against the same opposition would be counter productive especially for the teams at the lower end of the league. However to avoid a meaningless cup competition I would suggest a 14 team league.


I agree, 14 teams would fall in line with all the top levels. Bin the cup nobody takes it seriously anyway.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cherub Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 09:06
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Cherub Cherub wrote:

So each club was promised a severely reduced sum of £288k but have only received £160k. Mmmm. What a cracking business model for each club to base their futures on.


Yes, but don't forget they only played half a season.


True. But they then had to pay for all the additional COVID-19 costs.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 09:25
All the fixed costs, like ground maintenance, do not get halved.
Income was presumably much below half.
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Does anyone know if going to 14 has finally been laid out as the plan to be voted on in January 2022? Is it a best guess or has anyone seen a paper / proposal? I can't find anything concrete online.

It seems mad that National 1 teams haven't been formally notified what the prize is in terms of number of teams going up, if any. Not knowing how much any promotion might be worth is of lesser importance given how much the figure has come down in recent years.

14 teams per league across the top 4 tiers would nicely balance the pyramid and help entrench the set playing weekends.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 13:14
I haven't spoken to anyone who thinks 14 teams per league isn't the way to go so why the delay. We've had years of supposed "wide-ranging consultations" so just make an effin decision so everyone knows where they stand (Oh sorry we all know that anyway don't we - a nuisance and an irrelevance!) 
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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

I haven't spoken to anyone who thinks 14 teams per league isn't the way to go so why the delay. We've had years of supposed "wide-ranging consultations" so just make an effin decision so everyone knows where they stand (Oh sorry we all know that anyway don't we - a nuisance and an irrelevance!) 

Well put, that's it in a nutshell.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thunderbird Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 13:57
Those in power have to justify their existence. Oh and their big pension pot.
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The Working Group reports in January 2022. Then their recommendation will go through the RFU Committee structure to the Council and be announced at some stage, hopefully before the end of the season.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 14:15
With respect - not a lot of use at the end of the season or in January for that matter! I can't think of any other sporting body that leaves its member clubs dangling in uncertainty to carry on playing treated with total disregard effectively not knowing where they have to try and finish to meet their objectives
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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

With respect - not a lot of use at the end of the season or in January for that matter! I can't think of any other sporting body that leaves its member clubs dangling in uncertainty to carry on playing treated with total disregard effectively not knowing where they have to try and finish to meet their objectives

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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

The Working Group reports in January 2022. Then their recommendation will go through the RFU Committee structure to the Council and be announced at some stage, hopefully before the end of the season.

Then why isn't any re-structuring based on this taking place for the start of the 2023-24 season? 

Silly question obviously as the answer is it's being organised by the RFU.
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