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HAVANT TONY 
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Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 06:33 |
So World Rugby has decided to close Tom curry's case against Mbonambi without even given the chance to stand before or give evidence at a hearing, even though the same allegation was raised against Mbonambi in the autumn international at Twickenham!!! Just imagine the uproar if the Allegations were the other way round ? SHAME ON THEM
By the way the article below is so biased its laughable
Edited by HAVANT TONY - 27 Oct 2023 at 06:44
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Paul10
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Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 08:39 |
Problem is it's Curry's word against Mbonambi's word with no other evidence except some clips of Mbonambi shouting in Afrikaans during the match.
You'd think a Sale Sharks player would've learnt a bit of Afrikaans by now.
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Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 09:28 |
His word versus their word.
With no evidence, it was never going to go anywhere as per a normal legal process.
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WEvans
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Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 12:36 |
 GreenThrough&Through wrote:
His word versus their word.
With no evidence, it was never going to go anywhere as per a normal legal process. |
Exactly. From what I have read it seems Mbonambi said he shouted "watter kant" (meaning which side) and Curry heard it as a cloudberry insult which seems understandable. if there is no other evidence there was little point taking it further.
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HAVANT TONY
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Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 13:49 |
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The fact that world rugby dismissed it without the chance for Tom curry ( unusually backed by the RFU !) to have his say at a hearing strikes me as odd and the fact that Mbonambi allegedly had said something to Curry in the autumn international match also makes think Tom curry isn't stupid and knows what was said...all these differing Afrikaans translations of what has been said are oh so very convenient as well
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WEvans
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Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 14:46 |
Has it been said that World Rugby didn't give Curry a chance to have his say?
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Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 16:21 |
Yes it has:
The RFU are deeply disappointed by the decision taken by World Rugby. The decision not to put the evidence before an Independent Disciplinary Panel has denied the disciplinary process the opportunity to hear Tom Curry’s voice and to independently assess his account of these serious events, together with the other available evidence.
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Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 17:38 |
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I was a little surprised that a black South African would speak any Afrikaans given the languages roots and history. A quick google search reveals that many black South Africans have blocked the language from their minds with only around 13% of them now using it and most of those hail from the Western Cape Province. Mbonambi hails from Bethlehem in the east of the country!
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HAVANT TONY
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Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 18:15 |
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The whole thing stinks and as I have said in starting this topic the fact that Tom Curry didn't get a hearing to submit his evidence proves that World Rugby is run by incompetent woke fools because if this was the other way round there would be an absolute frenzy
Edited by HAVANT TONY - 27 Oct 2023 at 18:20
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Robb
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Posted: 27 Oct 2023 at 19:43 |
Yet we all know, if the races were reversed, there'd be a huge uproar and a full investigation. Even the World Rugby wording of the statement makes it clear they bottled it by the fact they said the fact they say "oh, it might have been said to Farrell but we're not going to even take a look at that".
I for one don't buy the Afrikaans excuse for one bit but it is amazing how rabidly SA fans leapt on it as justification for what was said.
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Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 08:59 |
The way Curry has been treated is wrong, however I don’t believe there was any racial malice in Bombi’s comments.
However he should have made a statement explaining the comment and apologised for any misunderstanding or offence that it caused.
They are both great players and I think World rugby dropped the ball and we should move on from this. I don’t think at any point has Curry or Bombi gave reason for the press and fans to drag out this situation.
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WEvans
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Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 11:27 |
Se7en wrote:
Yes it has:
The RFU are deeply disappointed by the decision taken by World Rugby. The decision not to put the evidence before an Independent Disciplinary Panel has denied the disciplinary process the opportunity to hear Tom Curry’s voice and to independently assess his account of these serious events, together with the other available evidence.
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No I am sorry but that statement does not say that Curry did not have an opportunity to put his evidence before World Rugby. It merely suggests that he wasn't given an opportunity to put his evidence before a different investigative panel.
If (big if as I know no more about World Rugby's investigation than anyone else here I would imagine) both parties had their say and there was no other evidence it comes down to one man's word against another and I can't see how any other court in the world could come to a different decision other than perhaps the Scottish not proven.
To be clear I want New Zealand to win tonight and would be delighted if South Africa went into the game without a recognised hooker but I would rather that be because he had been proven guilty of committing and offence rather than because others for whatever reason would like him to be guilty.
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Se7en
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Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 11:53 |
No you are incorrect.
The disciplinary panel in this instance would have been instructed to investigate the matter by World Rugby, if they deemed it worthy of doing so.
So by the very fact that no disciplinary panel was formed (at the request of World Rugby as the governing body overseeing the event in which the alleged abuse took place) it can only be concluded that Curry was not provided the opportunity to have his voice heard on the record and in an official capacity.
However, this point is an aside as to whether or not the SA hooker is actually guilty of anything, or indeed if anything could be proved either way if he did abuse Curry, given the apparent lack of witnesses and other contributory evidence at the time of the incident.
Your last point regarding SA being punished by losing their hooker is besides the point, as England have now finished their campaign and the result tonight therfore has no bearing on Curry or England. Likewise, whether or not Curry was abused, it ultimately would not have affected the outcome of the semi final last week, which England eventually lost solely due to the series of scrum penalties against them.
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Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 12:41 |
I won't be so pompous as to call another poster incorrect.
I will continue to post my opinion which remains that Curry's evidence was heard until I hear otherwise. The very fact that a process took place to determine whether there was a case to answer shows that there was an investigation. My view would change if Curry did not have a say in this process but I have seen nothing to suggest this was the case.
I'll also stick with my opinion that without any other evidence no panel or court in the World could legitimately produce a guilty verdict.
As for England not benefitting should Mbonambi have been found guilty well of course they wouldn't. That is the case in all incidents when a citing results in a subsequent ban. I of course made no such claim.
Edited by WEvans - 28 Oct 2023 at 12:47
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Se7en
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Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 13:09 |
Pompous or not, the fact remains that you are of course still fundamentally incorrect on the issue at hand.
However, as has been said before, the beauty of this forum is that it normally allows for discussion, debate and difference of opinion in a civil manner, free from insult or trivial 'name calling'.
My hope and expectation is that those who post and contribute to the forum will continue to abide by that practice, however fervently they may feel about a particular topic.
With regards to the Curry affair, perhaps its best to agree to disagree in this instance and move on. After all, when all is said and done, life is too short to harbour any discontent.
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WEvans
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Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 18:15 |
Se7en wrote:
Pompous or not, the fact remains that you are of course still fundamentally incorrect on the issue at hand.
However, as has been said before, the beauty of this forum is that it normally allows for discussion, debate and difference of opinion in a civil manner, free from insult or trivial 'name calling'.
My hope and expectation is that those who post and contribute to the forum will continue to abide by that practice, however fervently they may feel about a particular topic.
With regards to the Curry affair, perhaps its best to agree to disagree in this instance and move on. After all, when all is said and done, life is too short to harbour any discontent. |
Oh the total irony of that post!
But no problem I don't harbour discontent with pompous or even hypocritical posters.
Edited by WEvans - 28 Oct 2023 at 18:17
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Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 18:50 |
OK, I'm closing this thread before it descends into further acrimony.
Remember everyone to be nice to each other.
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