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    Posted: 02 Sep 2021 at 14:21
I guess we all hope the season starts well for the team we support and hope they are pushing for a top 4 slot at the season end but excluding your own club which 4 other teams do you think are likely to end up in what used to be a play off spot? My own thoughts in alphabetical order are:
Cornish Pirates
Coventry
Doncaster
Ealing
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Why just the top 4. Here is my prediction for the whole 11:
1 Ealing
2 Cornish Pirates
3 Coventry
4 Doncaster
5 Jersey
6 Bedford
7 Ampthill
8 London Scottish
9 Nottingham
10 Hartpury College
11 Richmond
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Tier 1

1. Ealing 

Tier 2

2. Doncaster
3. Jersey
4. Pirates 
5. Coventry

Tier 3

6. Bedford 
7. Ampthill
8. London Scottish 
9. Richmond 
10. Hartpury 
11. Nottingham 

I think if Bedford had a decent front row we’d be able to compete with the tier 2 teams, but it’s so hard to win games when you give away penalties at every scrum and end up with a prop binned most games and nothing in our recruitment or first pre season game makes me think this won’t be the case again. Losing OHD for the season with injury also leaves a massive hole in the centres for us.
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Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:

Tier 1

1. Ealing 

Tier 2

2. Doncaster
3. Jersey
4. Pirates 
5. Coventry

Tier 3

6. Bedford 
7. Ampthill
8. London Scottish 
9. Richmond 
10. Hartpury 
11. Nottingham 

I think if Bedford had a decent front row we’d be able to compete with the tier 2 teams, but it’s so hard to win games when you give away penalties at every scrum and end up with a prop binned most games and nothing in our recruitment or first pre season game makes me think this won’t be the case again. Losing OHD for the season with injury also leaves a massive hole in the centres for us.

What about the recruitment of a seasoned front row operator as your new Fwds Coach? Seems harsh/pessimistic to dismiss that as 'nothing' a couple of days after his arrival...
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Here is an educated outsider's guess:
1 Ealing
2 Doncaster
3 Cornish Pirates
4 Jersey
5 Bedford
6 Coventry
7 Ampthill
8 Hartpury College
9 Richmond
10 Nottingham
11 London Scottish
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1. Ealing
2. Cornish Pirates
3. Doncaster
4. Jersey
5. Coventry
6. Richmond
7. London Scottish
8. Bedford
9. Ampthill
10. Hartpury
11. Nottingham
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Except for Ealing top, no idea about the rest. Should become clearer after half a dozen games. On last season's games might have put Mond bottom, but they played so well against Ampthill, probably not.
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Top three pretty nailed on, 4-6 could be in any order, 7-11 will depend on loans/DR performances and ringers (old cricket term) that will undoubtedly turn up and/or disappear game to game as the season progresses.  Injuries / call ups to National teams affect things too.  Difficult to call.


1. Ealing
2. Doncaster
3. Cornish Pirates
4. Ampthill
5. Coventry
6. Jersey
7. Bedford
8. Nottingham
9. Hartpury
10. London Scottish
11. Richmond
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1. Doncaster
2. Ealing
3. C Pirates

Just don't think Ealing will get a free run (close, but no cigar).

4. Coventry
5. Bedford
6. Jersey
7. Ampthill
8. London Scottish
9. Nottingham
10. Hartpury
11. Richmond

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Ealing - 1st by a long way
Doncaster
Cornish Pirates

then 4 th spot ( hedging my bets!!!)
Jersey/Coventry/Bedford
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:

Tier 1

1. Ealing 

Tier 2

2. Doncaster
3. Jersey
4. Pirates 
5. Coventry

Tier 3

6. Bedford 
7. Ampthill
8. London Scottish 
9. Richmond 
10. Hartpury 
11. Nottingham 

I think if Bedford had a decent front row we’d be able to compete with the tier 2 teams, but it’s so hard to win games when you give away penalties at every scrum and end up with a prop binned most games and nothing in our recruitment or first pre season game makes me think this won’t be the case again. Losing OHD for the season with injury also leaves a massive hole in the centres for us.

What about the recruitment of a seasoned front row operator as your new Fwds Coach? Seems harsh/pessimistic to dismiss that as 'nothing' a couple of days after his arrival...

He can only work what he’s got, he’s not a miracle worker. Not convinced coaches make a great deal of difference to scrummaging ability. Alex Rae was at Jersey when they had the best scrum in the league and at us when we had the worst. It’s also his first stab at coaching and he was at the club last year so I’m assuming if there was something fundamentally wrong with our scrum as captain he would’ve raised it last year…


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Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:


I think if Bedford had a decent front row we’d be able to compete with the tier 2 teams, but it’s so hard to win games when you give away penalties at every scrum and end up with a prop binned most games and nothing in our recruitment or first pre season game makes me think this won’t be the case again. Losing OHD for the season with injury also leaves a massive hole in the centres for us.

What about the recruitment of a seasoned front row operator as your new Fwds Coach? Seems harsh/pessimistic to dismiss that as 'nothing' a couple of days after his arrival...

He can only work what he’s got, he’s not a miracle worker. Not convinced coaches make a great deal of difference to scrummaging ability. Alex Rae was at Jersey when they had the best scrum in the league and at us when we had the worst. It’s also his first stab at coaching and he was at the club last year so I’m assuming if there was something fundamentally wrong with our scrum as captain he would’ve raised it last year…

Bluesman is being extremely negative about the scrum here. Last year we had issues, because we had a lot of injuries to props and were bringing in 18 or 19 year olds and expecting some to play the whole 80 mins.

It won’t be the best, but it may not be the worst or could well be, but they need an opportunity before being written off immediately. Hopefully it will be good enough to hold it long enough for the ball to be played most of the time.

This year we have pretty much a brand new front 5, so they should evolve as a unit. One season Jersey came to us first game of the season and their scrum was unusually a shambles but over the season it became one of the best.
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Two wins on the trot. Mond may be this season’s surprise package.
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Originally posted by Pappashanga Pappashanga wrote:

Two wins on the trot. Mond may be this season’s surprise package.
Now that WOULD be a treat!
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This season won't suit the Blues as much, basically being more of a winter season but I am going to be optimistic here and say the rain will stay away allowing for running rugby to allow fast paced games.

1. Ealing

2. Pirates
3. Knights
4. Blues
5. Coventry
6. Jersey

7. Ampthill
8. Hartpury
9. Richmond
10. Nottingham
11. London Scottish
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Originally posted by Bedfordian Bedfordian wrote:

<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Top three pretty nailed on, 4-6 could be in any order, 7-11 will depend on loans/DR performances and ringers (old cricket term) that will undoubtedly turn up and/or disappear game to game as the season progresses.  Injuries / call ups to National teams affect things too.  Difficult to call.</span>
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1. Ealing</span><div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">2. Doncaster<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">3. Cornish Pirates<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">4. Ampthill<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">5. Coventry<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">6. Jersey<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">7. Bedford<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">8. Nottingham<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">9. Hartpury<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">10. London Scottish<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">11. Richmond


You have placed Ampthill 4th! Blimey, I hope you are right...........
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Perhaps they raise their game just vs Bedford, but always look pretty strong to me! 
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I would agree Bedfordfordian. Ampthill certainly appear to put the hex on Bedford and have won all but two of our recent encounters (league and friendly). Tommy Turner is a very shrewd coach and Ampthill keep under the radar but acquit themselves very well indeed.
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Originally posted by Pappashanga Pappashanga wrote:

Two wins on the trot. Mond may be this season’s surprise package.

not sure what game you were watching
LS are unknown at the moment, including to their supporters
It was a feisty local derby  and yes Richmond had a bit more"steel" about them.
They will win more matches than last year but LS just deserved to win 1st half and my prediction is we will not finish bottom



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[I would agree Bedfordian. Ampthill certainly appear to put the hex on Bedford and have won all but two of our recent encounters (league and friendly). Tommy Turner is a very shrewd coach and Ampthill keep under the radar but acquit themselves very well indeed]

Think its just a simple case of a forward dominated team against a running team and the old adage of "you can't score without the ball".  Bedford's high risk game plan plus what seems an annual problem of conceding a lot more penalties than anyone else means getting it back is an issue!
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