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So the pre-pack was upheld, and Ashley now owns the ground.
Where that leaves Wasps is anyone's guess at the mo.
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Assuming that the RFU stick to the regulations, if Wasps cannot play at the arena, they are not a Phoenix Entity, and therefore are a new club entering the leagues under 3.3.31 - which normally require it to play a season in the merit leagues.

I believe the RFU can extraordinarily licence a non-member club to play in the Championship. I would hope that if they tried to do that, the other clubs would have some say.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Assuming that the RFU stick to the regulations, if Wasps cannot play at the arena, they are not a Phoenix Entity, and therefore are a new club entering the leagues under 3.3.31 - which normally require it to play a season in the merit leagues.

I believe the RFU can extraordinarily licence a non-member club to play in the Championship. I would hope that if they tried to do that, the other clubs would have some say.

ie. They do a London Welsh and Wasps FC magically just becomes Wasps and the former Coventry Wasps enter at the bottom and all of a sudden are now Wasps FC.
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Wasps FC, the original club, continue as before - so they can continue at Counties 2 level.
Wasps Ladies are I believe affiliated with Wasps FC
But, I do not believe those looking to back Wasps RFC were interested in trips to Royston.
Even though they did seem to like the idea of a league with no relegation.
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Assuming that the RFU stick to the regulations, if Wasps cannot play at the arena, they are not a Phoenix Entity, and therefore are a new club entering the leagues under 3.3.31 - which normally require it to play a season in the merit leagues.

I believe the RFU can extraordinarily licence a non-member club to play in the Championship. I would hope that if they tried to do that, the other clubs would have some say.

ie. They do a London Welsh and Wasps FC magically just becomes Wasps and the former Coventry Wasps enter at the bottom and all of a sudden are now Wasps FC.

A reserve takeover could be an option if Coventry Wasps were not granted a place in the Championship and were made to start from the bottom.

It depends off course what is in it for Wasps FC. Playing wise they would benefit but in other areas would they? 
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Assuming that the RFU stick to the regulations, if Wasps cannot play at the arena, they are not a Phoenix Entity, and therefore are a new club entering the leagues under 3.3.31 - which normally require it to play a season in the merit leagues.

I believe the RFU can extraordinarily licence a non-member club to play in the Championship. I would hope that if they tried to do that, the other clubs would have some say.

I suspect what they would say is "Welcome, let's forget the rules because you will bring a decent crowd so we can make some money when you visit"
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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Assuming that the RFU stick to the regulations, if Wasps cannot play at the arena, they are not a Phoenix Entity, and therefore are a new club entering the leagues under 3.3.31 - which normally require it to play a season in the merit leagues.

I believe the RFU can extraordinarily licence a non-member club to play in the Championship. I would hope that if they tried to do that, the other clubs would have some say.

ie. They do a London Welsh and Wasps FC magically just becomes Wasps and the former Coventry Wasps enter at the bottom and all of a sudden are now Wasps FC.

A reserve takeover could be an option if Coventry Wasps were not granted a place in the Championship and were made to start from the bottom.

It depends off course what is in it for Wasps FC. Playing wise they would benefit but in other areas would they? 

True, they don't have the infrastructure to inherit as London Welsh Amateur did.
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Assuming that the RFU stick to the regulations, if Wasps cannot play at the arena, they are not a Phoenix Entity, and therefore are a new club entering the leagues under 3.3.31 - which normally require it to play a season in the merit leagues.

I believe the RFU can extraordinarily licence a non-member club to play in the Championship. I would hope that if they tried to do that, the other clubs would have some say.

I suspect what they would say is "Welcome, let's forget the rules because you will bring a decent crowd so we can make some money when you visit"

Very cynical of you WE - that is not what I have heard
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Assuming that the RFU stick to the regulations, if Wasps cannot play at the arena, they are not a Phoenix Entity, and therefore are a new club entering the leagues under 3.3.31 - which normally require it to play a season in the merit leagues.

I believe the RFU can extraordinarily licence a non-member club to play in the Championship. I would hope that if they tried to do that, the other clubs would have some say.

I suspect what they would say is "Welcome, let's forget the rules because you will bring a decent crowd so we can make some money when you visit"

4-5,000is not a decent crowd.
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Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Assuming that the RFU stick to the regulations, if Wasps cannot play at the arena, they are not a Phoenix Entity, and therefore are a new club entering the leagues under 3.3.31 - which normally require it to play a season in the merit leagues.

I believe the RFU can extraordinarily licence a non-member club to play in the Championship. I would hope that if they tried to do that, the other clubs would have some say.

I suspect what they would say is "Welcome, let's forget the rules because you will bring a decent crowd so we can make some money when you visit"

Very cynical of you WE - that is not what I have heard

Well I hope what you have heard is right but I suspect money (or the prospect of it) will talk.
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Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Assuming that the RFU stick to the regulations, if Wasps cannot play at the arena, they are not a Phoenix Entity, and therefore are a new club entering the leagues under 3.3.31 - which normally require it to play a season in the merit leagues.

I believe the RFU can extraordinarily licence a non-member club to play in the Championship. I would hope that if they tried to do that, the other clubs would have some say.

I suspect what they would say is "Welcome, let's forget the rules because you will bring a decent crowd so we can make some money when you visit"

4-5,000is not a decent crowd.

It depends what you are used to. The figure you have quoted is far in advance of any attendance in the Championship this season where around half the games have failed to attract a four figure crowd. I would have thought the vast majority of clubs would welcome a visiting side boosting the attendance to 4-5,000. 

Whether they would be prepared to overlook the morality of the situation to vote to allow Wasps to compete is another matter but my bet is many would.  
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4,000 at home, in the Premiership, how many will travel?
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

4,000 at home, in the Premiership, how many will travel?


Until they know the make up of their squad I would think that is a difficult question to answer.

After all many of the Worcester/Wasps players have joined other clubs
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Why comments on the topic of Wasps and Worcester continue just amaze me.
Both clubs had business models that went t*ts up . Poor management and grossly over inflated salaries on average players. Isn't it time to move on and stop speculating what their future holds. The RFU are weak body that will not relegate both teams to level 9 and as they say it is not a level playing field for the rest of us who support grass roots rugby
The club I follow in National 2 is well structured and has sounder foundations and will no doubt continue to provide excellent competition and grow in the community.
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Originally posted by Carlos the Tackle Carlos the Tackle wrote:

The club I follow in National 2 is well structured and has sounder foundations and will no doubt continue to provide excellent competition and grow in the community.


Spot on. The RFU is swayed by the likes of Probyn, Moore and Dallaglio. The sole voice of reason is Rob Baxter from Exeter who advocates promotion and relegation from Levels 1-9.

Wasps and Worcester will end up where they end up. Meanwhile most of the rugby supporters will follow their local club whilst fans are a different animal and are unlikely to be on the touchlines of 'community' clubs.
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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Originally posted by Carlos the Tackle Carlos the Tackle wrote:

The club I follow in National 2 is well structured and has sounder foundations and will no doubt continue to provide excellent competition and grow in the community.


Spot on. The RFU is swayed by the likes of Probyn, Moore and Dallaglio. The sole voice of reason is Rob Baxter from Exeter who advocates promotion and relegation from Levels 1-9.

Wasps and Worcester will end up where they end up. Meanwhile most of the rugby supporters will follow their local club whilst fans are a different animal and are unlikely to be on the touchlines of 'community' clubs.

The "fans" should learn, the community game is far more entertaining that professional rugby (sorry, it's just a fact). It's cheaper to go to, better beers, better company and less travel expense. OK some clubs might have a stand but is that really all they want that stops them?
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Originally posted by Carlos the Tackle Carlos the Tackle wrote:

The club I follow in National 2 is well structured and has sounder foundations and will no doubt continue to provide excellent competition and grow in the community.


Spot on. The RFU is swayed by the likes of Probyn, Moore and Dallaglio. The sole voice of reason is Rob Baxter from Exeter who advocates promotion and relegation from Levels 1-9.

Wasps and Worcester will end up where they end up. Meanwhile most of the rugby supporters will follow their local club whilst fans are a different animal and are unlikely to be on the touchlines of 'community' clubs.

The "fans" should learn, the community game is far more entertaining that professional rugby (sorry, it's just a fact). It's cheaper to go to, better beers, better company and less travel expense. OK some clubs might have a stand but is that really all they want that stops them?

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Agreed on all points. Not sure what club CTT supports but I can ensure him it’s the same sentiment at Sedge. I commend the high standard reached by all of players at all levels. You can only judge on what you see. I have been lucky I have been seeing some excellent rugby at NL2N for sometime. Visiting some great well managed clubs too. Long may it continue at all levels.

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CTT wherever whoever the drinks are on me.
All the best 

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Thanks ST. I guess you can treat me to a "Leighton  Special".when I next visit Park Lane. I've heard they do a good one at Sedgley. 
It perhaps beats the Joseph Holts by a tad.
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Good evening 

Good grief!!! It seems you're  very well informed 😂😂😂😂. Joey Holts!!! It’s great for flatulence 😂😂😂😂. Anything beats that by a mile. 

All the best 

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