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Donnyknightsfan 
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Saracens will not appeal the 35 point penalty or fine. still don't think the penalty is harsh enough. they should've had all of their titles taken off them. I bet they pick very weak sides in Europe now. they're now 26 points adrift of Leicester at the bottom. I hope Sarries go down. deliberately cheating the system is disgraceful and cynical.
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JonDee
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Has anyone talked about the point that HMRC may now consider action now its been confirmed as income not a business arrangement . In a business arrangement there can be lots of ways of offsetting tax whereas income tax is levied on the straight income. That might really hurt
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Insignificant Tick
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Would hurt the players not the club.
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Brizzer
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 17:09 |
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The club will still be responsible for National Insurance though won't they?
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Raider999
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 17:11 |
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It would also hurt the club as the players will presumably be looking for an increase in salary. I have to say, it has always amazed me how Saracens could afford so many star players and be within the salary cap - obviously they couldn't! As the IR are looking hard at contractors again, I can't believe they wouldn't be all over Saracens and their players like a rash. |
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 18:07 |
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All directors of company`s are PAYE and liable to tax on earnings and N.I. You are able to receive dividend payments. This is under scrutiny and you have to adhere to clear guidelines.
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Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 19:17 |
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Am hearing Sarries will retain their England players during the six nations. If true that should guarantee points against weakened competitors....
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 19:21 |
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are they allowed to do that?
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 20:05 |
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Saracens have now admitted that they were operating above the salary cap by making these additional payments to certain players. Those same players are still under contract so will the RFU now demand clear evidence that changes have been made? Surely Saracens need to confirm that either these contracts have been 'ripped up' or players released to ensure that they are now operating under the cap?
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kingsheathlad
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If not released by club for 6 Nations could this end their International careers. |
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Cauliflower ear.
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JonDee
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Am I thinking of wendy ball or isn't the rule if they are selected for an official international and refuse they cannot play under IRB rules ?? Not sure
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Pirate Pig
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Posted: 18 Nov 2019 at 21:10 |
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My understanding of the current agreement between PRL and the RFU is that clubs are paid a certain amount per player as compensation for when they are away on international duty. I doubt Saracens would consider breaching this agreement or doing anything else to cause upset in their current predicament.
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A season in the Championship would do them good. I'm sure they'll love a wet, windy winters afternoon in Penzance, for example.
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Major point = If selected. Behind the scenes agreement not to select Sarries players as 4 years out from a World Cup, so no major problem if England have a mediocre 6 Nations.Eddie Jones will bring in some younger guys on the pretext of building for the next WC. The next six nations after the upcoming one will see the build up and Jones will have seen a few new faces to consider.
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Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 08:10 |
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In all honesty, I really, really don't want to see Saracens in the Championship next year. Given Ealing's slightly baffling struggles, I can't see us overhauling Falcons (though much will be determined on the 21st of December, live on Sky Sports). However there is absolutely no way that anyone is overtaking Sarries or being beaten by less than 30 points unless their entire squad departs. I'd rather just have the Premiership hand the Championship the £5m fine from Saracens than see them play here next year!
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At the moment it looks more likely that we'll be seeing Leicester next season.
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Posted: 19 Nov 2019 at 08:55 |
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Maybe not the World Cup, but the Lions Tour is only 2 years away.......
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The Joy of (Level) 7
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Exactly. Although I'm sure it won't happen, Saracens at L2 would just mean a wasted season for everyone. |
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At least, with Leicester and Sarries facing the drop, ring fencing will disappear off the agenda for a while.
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Robb
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Silver lining and all that!
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