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    Posted: 02 Oct 2023 at 16:49
If Jersey are to fall into liquidation The Championship clubs cannot afford to have another blank weekend, CP will have lost lots of money this weekend,  during the league season, so who should fill that space?

1. Wasps - they have a ground and could probably assemble a competitive squad quite easily and the RFU are desperate to have them back?

2. Richmond - they were relegated last year . ..  is their current squad strong enough? Would they want to return to the Championship?

3. Rams - Runners up for the last few years and  looking like the strongest squad in Nat 1?

4. Or a hybrid team of some sorts . . England U20's

Surely only 1 or 4 are potentially workable as then Nat1 is compromised.

Or does a White Knight appear for Jersey?

Or as far left field as you can go . . . do DMP get moved up, sign the entire Jersey squad, attract a huge  sponsor as their ground (25,000) would be meet Prem criteria?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 2023 at 17:02
If anything, a hybrid side would be best so that it can be dismantled when Prem 1 and Prem 2 is implemented (just need to find a ground). Fairest outcome is Rams or Richmond. As dithering is RFUs usual mantra then nothing. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 2023 at 17:08
As Caldy and Cambridge know only too well, probably nobody.
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What a fanciful notion.
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Wishful thinking I think.

Get booking friendlies to fill those gaps.
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As there is no premiership A league why can't the nearest club send down their A side for a match.
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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

If anything, a hybrid side would be best so that it can be dismantled when Prem 1 and Prem 2 is implemented (just need to find a ground). Fairest outcome is Rams or Richmond. As dithering is RFUs usual mantra then nothing. 


No club in their right mind would want to join this circus.




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Make a team from all of the Academies.you could select a few from each club left in Premiership. Is that possible ?
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What do Caldy and Cambridge know only too well?

Good idea blending the various academy players, perhaps with a core of England U20s, tough fixtures around the country week in and week out, resulting in the perfect opportunity to bond as a squad. 

Who knows, in four years many of them could find themselves jetting off to RWC 2027 in Oz. It would take some logistical work and funding from the RFU to get off the ground, but where there's a will there's a way.
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Is everyone posting on this thread on something? A manufactured “club” to make up the numbers? Is it just me, or has the essence of the game somehow disappeared into the ether?

Edited by cheshire exile - 03 Oct 2023 at 04:26
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 2023 at 22:40
We were both in National One when Old Elthamians pulled out.
And so we were left with a short season.
I would start talking to universities.
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All the clubs that hadn’t had their London Welsh home fixture lost out that year too, it will be the same this year. Bedford managed to organise a friendly against Saints last time as it fortunately happened to fall on a free weekend for them. 

Bedford actually do this bizarre thing where we set a playing budget based on expected revenue and expenses so it’s particularly frustrating now with revenue reduced due to another other club’s financial mismanagement. This cancellation means we’ll have nearly 2 months without a home fixture later in the season, which can’t be great for cash flow. I’m sure the RFU will reimburse everyone though…


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 2023 at 08:51
London Welsh died in 16/17, and everyone in the Championship except Scottish lost a game.
On the bright side, Cambridge were not relegated that season due to London Welsh's demise.

Old Elthamians demise was 21/22, having managed to complete the covid restricted 19/20 season with second string players, and then there was no season in 20/21.
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OE 1st XV officially folded and withdrew from Nat 1 in the first week of August 2021, a month before the scheduled start of the 21/22' season.

Not dissimilar to Jersey following suit approximately a month before the start of this year's Championship season (albeit having played some Prem Cup fixtures).

To compare the effects of OE withdrawal from Nat 1 and the knock on affect to Cambridge and Caldy at that time, to that of Jersey's demise and what that means for Championship clubs is a tad irrelative. Not least due to the issues surrounding logistics and overall finances - sponsorship commitments, match day takings, ticket revenue etc - relating to the number of fully professional clubs at Level 2, which is markedly different to Level 3 in that respect.


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Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:

All the clubs that hadn’t had their London Welsh home fixture lost out that year too, it will be the same this year. Bedford managed to organise a friendly against Saints last time as it fortunately happened to fall on a free weekend for them. 

Bedford actually do this bizarre thing where we set a playing budget based on expected revenue and expenses so it’s particularly frustrating now with revenue reduced due to another other club’s financial mismanagement. This cancellation means we’ll have nearly 2 months without a home fixture later in the season, which can’t be great for cash flow. I’m sure the RFU will reimburse everyone though…

Very good point - no doubt most clubs would have set their budgets according to expected revenue (mostly from home games). As you say, the RFU will step in to make up the short fall. Not!
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Out of interest, do any Championship clubs have insurance in place for an outcome such as this that will lead to loss of revenue through no fault of their own? Perhaps this will become a necessity if the professional rugby landscape remains so uncertain and especially so if Prem 1 and Prem 2 ever comes to fruition.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 2023 at 12:56
I assume travel insurance may repay the cost of not going to jersey.
Given the extra cost of going to Jersey, if you can get that money back, it softens the blow considerably.

But, whether in National 1 or the Championship, it is a loss of £15k to £25k of match day revenue
Some clubs have backers who will turn round and fill that, others don't - and the national 1 sides are manly in the latter camp.

I suspect the cost of insuring against that would be too high for most clubs to take on.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brizzer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 2023 at 13:48
Still here guys. We’ve not quite gone just yet!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JohnLowe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 2023 at 13:49
Are we talking about match day income/revenue or profit which could be quite different but obviously related

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Originally posted by Se7en Se7en wrote:


To compare the effects of OE withdrawal from Nat 1 and the knock on affect to Cambridge and Caldy at that time, to that of Jersey's demise and what that means for Championship clubs is a tad irrelative. Not least due to the issues surrounding logistics and overall finances - sponsorship commitments, match day takings, ticket revenue etc - relating to the number of fully professional clubs at Level 2, which is markedly different to Level 3 in that respect.

Out of interest, would you have the same take on level 4 if Guernsey went under (or the Manx clubs lower down)*? 

Meanwhile, the idea that National 1, running a league from Darlington to Plymouth with basically no central funding at all were unaffected because OE weren't Jersey is if nothing else bleakly amusing. Losing a home game where the RFU aren't handing over a cheque to prop up your club's business model every season is just difficult in a different way, I would suggest...


*last time I checked it was a straight RFU grant of £2k to the travelling club to go to Guernsey or the Isle of Man. So while I'm sure that's welcome the logistics and overall finances etc outlined above sit on the shoulders of amateur clubs with no central funding.
 


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