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WILD BOAR 1
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Toulouse it will of course be Nat 1 South and you appear to have missed Lucs/Dings etc.
As it stands Cambridge will be in the Championship and Chinnor promoted. Unsure if there is a split it will be next season or 25/26?
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Camquin
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Travel is always more of an issue for Darlington, or Redruth, than for Chinnor or Cambridge. Looking at that list, how are the mighty fallen, no Cornish sides
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billesleyexile
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So National 1 North is 5 clubs from current National 1, 7 from Nat 2 National 2 South is 1 current Championship side, 9 current National 1 sides, and 4 from Nat 2. I'm not sure that addresses the 'dilution of standards' point terribly well if I'm being brutally honest.
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Camquin
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At present, there is no intention to reduce the Championship below 12. So Cambridge and probably one of Chinnor/Rams will play there. So were it to come in next season, it would probably be 5+9 and 7+7. I am not sure how we arrange promotion and relegation between two and three leagues - assuming we keep three leagues at level 3. However, we have no idea what will happen in 2025 - after RFU bring in Premiership 2. It might be better to delay a major reorganisation until then. |
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tigerburnie
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If the RFU carry out the threat and relegate all the championship sides(there may be one or two who might take the RFU's poisoned silver), then there is a whole new ball game to be played. Another classic situation where businesses cannot conduct their business because the RFU are giving no information in a timely manner as to what the hell is going on, farce doesn't really cover it.
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Camquin
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I believe that is for the 2025 season. Which is why I would not try to make changes this year. But if I were in charge, I would be seeking feedback on the new league and cup structure
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Nat1
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Change is afoot, but won't be noticeable until the 2025-26 season.
Prem 2 will become a reality, and will be stocked by the likes of Ealing, Donny, Cov and Pirates. Alongside these professional 'former' Champ clubs will be the new franchise clubs and/or Welsh/Scottish clubs making up the numbers. The likes of Notts, Ampthill, Bedford, Scottish, Cambridge, Caldy will revert to what we currently know as National 1, alongside the other semi-pro teams of similar size and scope. The cascading effects will shunt those who lie near the bottom down a league and so on. Whether these leagues are split 2 or 3 ways is anyone's guess at this stage. The RFU have had enough of a ramshackle second tier in English rugby that they can't control or quantify. Like it or not, they see the future of the Premiership (and Prem 2) being solely the domain of professionals outfits, able to attract TV coverage, meaningful sponsorship and thereby filling their coffers.
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Toulouse
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I agree with your point....it's not going to be easy and it will not please everyone!
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Toulouse
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Typo...National 1 south
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front5
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*Blaydon? Regardless the league would not be competitive as 90% of the clubs proposed in North are part time players enjoying Rugby. And there could be a health and wellbeing aspect with them playing against semi pros, or pros when you include there community rugby coaching roles. Not sure it’s a good idea at all in truth
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islander
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the current Champ involves part-time v semi-pro v full-time and works ok without major health/wellbeing concerns; but clearly there are clubs on the list above who would need to devote more attention/investment on ensuring their p/t players were adequately conditioned...
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cheshire exile
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Can you explain your last comment? Redruth have been joined in Nat2 West this season by Camborne and of course Pirates have been at level 2 for years.
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WILD BOAR 1
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Tend to agree with much of Nat 1's post....are you in the know???
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Camquin
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I remember when Redruth were National 1 along with Launceston. And there was Mount's Bay. So I would have expected one or two to make the expanded Nat 1.
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Paul10
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Same. That does seem the logical conclusion.
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Se7en
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Yes I agree also. A far more balanced idea to have those clubs back in a national league with other semi pro sides and leaving the fully pro elite game to it in Prem and Prem II. You can but hope.
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Red over White
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Assuming Dudley in Nat 1 North is Dudley Kingswingford. Not sure how they made it in given that Sheffield Tigers are higher than DK in their respective leagues.
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Raider999
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This split ends up with a southern section far stronger than the northern equivalent. Judging by how N2 has always been split, you need to take the strongest 28 teams nationwide then put the 14 most northern into the North section, the rest into the south. Dudley are in the bottom 2 of N2W and someone suggested Blaydon who aren't even in N2. The main problem is the same as the current N1 where the majority of the clubs are in the south. |
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RAID ON
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tigerburnie
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I don't think I have laughed so much for a while, there's some comedians posting some of this stuff, thanks. lol
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Toulouse
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